UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

A 10-point list, which Russia uses “to spin a false and dangerous narrative to justify its illegal actions in Ukraine."

1. On Russia’s claim that its agents are not active in Ukraine – the State Department points out that the Ukrainian government has arrested more than a dozen suspected Russian intelligence agents and that those who have seized government building in eastern Ukraine were outfitted in bullet-proof vests, camouf**ge uniforms and were carrying weapons reminiscent of Russia’s “illegal military intervention in Crimea” in late February and its subsequent occupation.

2. On Russia’s claims that pro-Russia demonstrations are comprised exclusively of Ukrainian citizens acting of their own volition the list points out that this is not a “grassroots Ukrainian civic activism” as witnessed on Kyiv’s Maidan where a movement grew from a handful of student protesters to “hundreds of thousands from all parts of the country and all walks of life.” The State Department also underscores what its calls an open recruitment campaign on Russian internet sites for Russians to travel to Ukraine to incite unrest. It says there is evidence that “protesters” receive payment for such services.

3. On Russia’s claim that separatist leaders in eastern Ukraine enjoy broad popular support the list point that, according to opinion polls, the vast majority of people even in largely Russian-speaking parts of eastern Ukraine “want to live in a united Ukraine and reject unification with Russia.”

4. On Russia’s claim that the situation in eastern Ukraine risks spiraling into civil war, the State Department points out that there simply have not been large-scale protests in the region, and what is happening there now “would not be happening without Russian disinformation and provocateurs fostering unrest.”

5. On Russia’s claim that Ukrainians in Donetsk rejected the illegitimate authorities in Kyiv and established the independent “People’s Republic of Donetsk,” the list point out that a “broad and representative collection of civil society and non-governmental organizations in Donetsk categorically rejected the declaration.”

6. On Russia’s claim it ordered a “partial drawdown” of troops from the Ukrainian border, the State Department points out that there is no evidence of any significant movement, and that “an estimated 35,000-40,000 Russian troops remain massed along the border, in addition to approximately 25,000 troops currently in Crimea.”

7. On Russia’s claim that ethnic Russians in Ukraine are under threat, the list, citing polling data, says there is no credible evidence supporting the claim. Moreover, it points out that “the ethnic Russians most at risk are those who live in Russia and who oppose the authoritarian Putin regime.”

8. On Russia’ claim that Ukraine’s new government is led by radical nationalists and f*****ts, the State Department says that Ukraine’s parliament, elected by all Ukrainian, has not changed since the fall of the regime of president Viktor Yanukovych, and that its current government was overwhelmingly approved by the legislature, including by members of the party Yanukovych headed prior to being ousted.

9. On Russia’s claim that ethnic minorities face persecution in Ukraine from the “f*****t” government in Kyiv, the list points out that a number of ethnic and religious minorities have expressed a “sense of safety under the new authorities in Kyiv.”

10. On Russia’s claims that it is not using energy and trade as weapons against Ukraine, the State Department underscores that only in the past two weeks Russia raised its natural gas price for Ukraine by 80 percent and that it continues to restrict Ukrainian exports to Russia.

There has been no immediate reaction by Russia to the State Department’s latest list.

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-lists-10-more-false-russian-claims-on-ukraine/1892650.html

Loki Loc: Georgia

Russia has little justification for fomenting trouble in the rest of Ukraine. Crimea was understandable. It was part of Russia to begin with. However, under the current Administration's policy of Neville Chamberlin type appeasement, the US will not have much ability to influence events there. I'm not sure we should. Let Eastern Europe paddle their own canoe, or better still, let Western Europe succor them. They have rebuilt their economies under our protection, using money they did not have to spend on defense that we provided them, secure in the knowledge that the Russians were almost certainly not going to risk a war with us.

angery american Loc: Georgia

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UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

USAID to Russia exceeds $2.7 billion in the two decades since the fall of the Soviet Union. It was finally ended by Nuland in 2013, recognizing they can finally afford their own economic development projects.

petertimber

Its an already understood agreement between Putin and Obama to divide Ukraine into west and East so that West Ukraine can pump natural gas from the USA/Israel pipelines in the Mideast and Russia gets to keep previous held Russian lands since Czar Ivan the Terrible put it all together with Cossacks on horseback for hundreds of years, Along came Socialists with a beard in 1917 and called themselves c*******ts and spread equal miseries thru out Russia and Eastern Europe spouting toxic ideology and spreading lies. 72 years later in 1992 they fell flat on their butt having spent themselves into poverty because no one thought that wealth comes from producing with labor and earnings. Now Putin wants to put it all together again while we want to supply Europe with energy so that when Obama wants Europe to back us up Europe will not decline the invite. Russia & China and the other BRIC countries will take the rest.

Holbein Loc: Siberia

after the US Govt lied to the world about Iraq's WMD, "Serbian genocide", Libya's "liberation" by Al-Qaeda, B******i's peaceful demonstration, Hillary's Balkan War Adventures, etc, etc,
who would trust them ever?

petertimber

QUIEN YO? (who me?)..... criticism preserves democracy and exposes the bad guys.

vernon

the true ignorance of this administration is showing with this ukraine problem.they are completely inept and it could cause a war if someone dosent take charge .

petertimber

Putin and Obama have agreed to the partition of the Ukraine Wdest Ukraine to EU sphere and East Ukraine back to Russia with Crimea since the USA/Israel Mideast natural gas pipelines to turkey and Ukraine pumping stations in their western part (recently saw schematic on TV of pipelines) to supply Europe with 40% +of their energy needs will eliminatge the EU dependency upon Russia for energy needsso that they can now support Obama and the USA vs Russia and China. Putin wants Mother Russia the way it was under the Czars and before c*******ts gave Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Ukraine their independence. Georgia battled Russia for a while and that's quieted down. Now its going to be Russia, China and possibly the BRIC states, the Far East and the Pacific rim with their natural gas energy suppolying tis part of the globe with their natural gas. So far as I know =Chevron and some English oil company Royal something or other have made their moves for Ukraine pipelines installations.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

It appears our administration is playing catch-up and here are some insights:

http://www.voanews.com/content/qa-former-ukraine-president-says-only-west-can-resolve-crisis-rferl/1892916.html

It also appears that Russia is coordinating an invasion so the US is considering arming Ukraine.

http://www.voanews.com/content/prorussians-facing-deadline-to-disarm-in-eastern-ukraine/1892694.html

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I have found if you read information furnished by our government and information furnished by the Russian government, the t***h is somewhere in the middle.

I don't trust my government any more than I trust Russia.

LurkingTom Loc: North Dakota

Iraq did/does have weapons of mass destruction. They were used on their own citizens and k**led hundreds of thousands. I wouldn't trust our government for anything, they're all criminals.

vernon

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UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

It appears Iranian bankers are warning Russia of the potential sanction consequences.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/04/17/iran-warns-russia-not-to-dismiss-u-s-sanctions-threat/

“The U.S. sanctions are vicious because they largely just targeted our banks,” said a senior Iranian banker. “The Americans essentially forced businesses to choose between doing business in dollars or dealing with Iran. That’s a no-brainer for most.”

So now, after six hours of talks in Geneva, Russia agrees to de-escalate tensions in Ukraine, including demobilizing m*****as, vacating seized Ukrainian government buildings, and establishing a political reform program, U.S. and Russian officials said Thursday.

And some kept believing the Russian government position that the separatists there were not Russian implants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626304579506924089231470?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304626304579506924089231470.html