PeterS

How funny. The immoral majority are the only ones backing a loser. What's that say about Evangelical Christians...or better known as CC's around here...

https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/white-evangelical-christians-are-only-religious-group-to-approve-of-trump?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

A new poll confirms that white evangelical Christians have very different views from just about everyone else on the state of America – which makes the influence they’re trying to exert over policy decisions in our federal and state governments all the more alarming.

“White evangelical Protestants are sitting in their own unique space in the religious landscape on a whole range of issues,” Robert Jones, the CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), said in a recent Religion News Service story.

The poll, conducted by PRRI and The Atlantic, found that 61 percent of white evangelicals believe the United States is heading in the right direction. They’re the only religious group in the survey who felt that way – a majority of every other religious group broken down by the survey (white mainline Protestants, nonwhite Protestants, Catholics and people described as religiously unaffiliated) feel the that the country has gone “pretty seriously off on the wrong track.” The latter view was held by 64 percent of overall respondents.

The surveyors noted that within about 25 years, people of color will represent the majority of the population. When asked whether this demographic shift was viewed positively or negatively, the majority of people overall and the majority of most religious groups all responded that this was a positive development – except for white evangelicals, 52 percent of whom said the U.S. becoming a majority nonwhite population was a bad thing .

A third category in which responses were broken down by religious groups involved support for President Donald Trump. It likely won’t surprise anyone that more than three-quarters of white evangelical Christians said they have a favorable view of Trump – that’s similar to the percentage of evangelicals who v**ed for him two years ago.

Once again, the white evangelicals were outliers in the survey. Just over 60 percent of overall respondents had an unfavorable view of Trump. White mainline Protestants and white Catholics were split down the middle, while a vast majority of nonwhite Protestants and religiously unaffiliated Americans have an unfavorable view of the president.

The poll was conducted in June, which means the so-called “family values” evangelical v**ers were voicing their support for Trump amidst the implementation of his policy to separate immigrant children from their parents at the southern border, as he continued to split up American Muslim families with his Muslim ban and as reports continued to swirl around his alleged affair with and hush money payout to actress Stormy Daniels.

Religious Right leaders have said they’re willing to give Trump a “mulligan” on his t***sgressions so long as he continues to deliver on policies they care about, including nominating conservative Supreme Court justices like Neil Gorsuch and now Brett Kavanaugh; advancing an anti-women, anti-L***Q agenda; and pushing for the repeal of the Johnson Amendment so houses of worship can endorse political candidates.

At the same time, through the Project Blitz campaign, white evangelical Christians are trying to advance an agenda that undermines church-state separation at the state level – pushing legislation that would allow the promotion of religion in public schools and religion to be used to discriminate against women, L***Q people, religious minorities and others.

The Religious Right’s continued attempts to infuse religion and politics to the detriment of so many is alarming, but there is a bright side to the PRRI’s poll: While white evangelical Christians have very different views on the direction our country should take, they are in the minority. The majority of people are rejecting Trump and his white Christian nationalist rhetoric.

Americans United, representing people who practice a variety of religions and the nonreligious, will continue to work to ensure that America remains a place where religious freedom is for all of us, not just some of us.

JW

FLASH... Polls are 92 % certain Hillary will win the Presidency.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Im not Evangelical and neither are our friends ,but we still support our President.....88% of Republicans approve of President's job....Not all Republicans are Evangelicals....

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Our resident Christian h**er strikes again. He's always pulling this s**t. Pete scours the internet to dredge up any anti-Christian blogs or sites he can find, and the weird part is he convinces himself that he has found something of substance. Pete is a man is obsessed. He cannot abide those who believe in something greater than themselves, specifically Christians. There is no logical or rational explanation for this sort of hostile behavior.

To be clear, not all Christians are white.

The link he posted is "Americans United for separation of church and state", as if that weren't a fundamental aspect of our system of government. Their mission is "to advance the constitutional principle of church-state separation as the only way to ensure freedom of religion, including the right to believe or not believe, for all Americans."

There is nothing in the constitution regarding separation of church and state. There is only one clause in the first amendment which prohibits the government from establishing a state religion and that everyone is free to practice wh**ever religion they choose. Or not.

However, liberal activists of all stripes, including gays, atheists, secular humanists, and other anti-Christian types, including AU for separation, have violated the 1st amendment prohibitions and launched many and varied attacks on Christians, their churches, and their beliefs. And, they have had plenty of help from local, state and the federal governments, activist judges, and biased courts. All of this is perpetrated by the regressive left, and was taken to extremes during Obama's reign as the l*****t king. This is one of the primary reasons why Christians overwhelmingly v**ed for Trump. We had no choice, it was either Donald Trump or pray to God that the l*****t Jezebel would be prevented from pounding the final nail in America's coffin. I personally would have v**ed for any one of the Republicans that threw their hat in the ring. My v**e was NEVER HILLARY !!!!

There are legal services available to defend against such civil rights violations. The following is from one of them.

Government intrusion into the affairs of the Church

Posted on June 8, 2013

Government intrusion into the affairs of the Church has become a growing threat to religious freedom and the inner workings of churches.

Ministers and church leaders are being told who they can or cannot hire and fire, how much they can discipline church members who violate scriptural standards of morality, and even when and where their church can meet. Pastors, lay leaders, and Christian ministry leaders are increasingly being pressured to preach only “politically correct” passages from the Bible, to conform their sermons to culturally accepted norms of what the Church “ought to talk about,” and to keep silent about “political” issues and candidates whose positions have profound moral consequences for the nation and their community.

Pastors are being told that city regulations or selective zoning restrictions prohibit their churches from using their own facilities and resources to minister to the poor and needy, that public parks aren’t available for church picnics, and that the ringing of church bells is “disturbing the peace” as well as the following:

Freedom to exercise religious beliefs

• State and Federal governments are interfering with the Church’s application of biblical standards to internal discipline and employment practices.

• Worship services are being disrupted by protestors who trespass or block access to church property.

Freedom of speech

• Threats of IRS audits and enforcement are used to intimidate and silence pastors who want to speak to their congregations – from a scriptural basis – about the positions of political candidates on moral issues.

• State governments are implementing campaign finance laws that treat churches as political action committees if pastors so much as encourage their people to v**e for or against a particular law.

Freedom of Access

• Discriminatory policies are being used to deny churches equal access to hold worship services in public venues that other groups utilize without restriction or penalty.

• Zoning restrictions and land-use ordinances are being established that specifically discriminate against churches – restricting when and where services may be held.

The First Amendment guarantees your right to hear and speak the T***h, as well as the church’s freedom to enjoy equal access to public funds and facilities.

The government cannot legally tell you what Bible passages are off limits, or limit what prayer or message or Scripture you share in a public forum, or drive you from a public sidewalk, park, or building in which you are respectfully sharing your faith.

Government officials cannot arbitrarily enforce zoning laws just to keep your congregation out of places they don’t want you. However, laws like the H**e Crimes bill passed by Congress can lead to silencing anyone who would speak out against immoral behavior, even from the pulpit and open the doors for other legal persecutions against pastors and church.

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ” The Constitution does not require pastors to be silent about political matters in their churches. The IRS Code does limit churches to using an “insubstantial” amount of their resources when lobbying for or against legislation, and prohibits churches from intervening in political campaigns.

The so-called “separation of church and state” is merely a rhetorical device that has been used for half a century to browbeat Christians and drive them out of the public square and keep them from freedoms our forefathers secured.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

You mean the Satan Worshipers, Muslims, Paegans and Athiests are still supporting Hillary?

Colour me indifferent.

PeterS

Christian h**er? So do you think there is cover for you CC's if lump all of you together? No, there is a specific type of person that is attracted to Trump and I have yet so see anything Christian in them. For example, you don't care if Trump lies to you and the country; you don't care if he c***ts on his wife and family; you could give a flip what he does morally just so he gives to you the things your ideology, not theology, desires. What did you say, you support him in spite of his faults because he's done the things you want a president to do...somewhere on that line?

Now my point is when you look at what he's done 90% has just been an vindictive attempt to get rid of anything Obama had done and the other 10%, in terms of Christianity, was just horrific as he tried to exclude Muslims, Hispanics, and make a campaign out of denigrating b****s who took a knee at football games simply because they were protesting the treatment of other b****s at the hands of the police. Christians don't behave the way you behave Blade. If I am making an example of you it's only because you don't act like you have any Christianity inside of you.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, “You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt."

That's what your god asks of you and you treat anyone who isn't you with fear, hatred, and dread as if you are certain that the only reason to be here is to harm you.



No, but the vast majority of Christian Conservatives are lily white and believe they are as pure as the driven snow...


So, based on your first amendment right, can you write legislation based on your religion--pass it into law so that everyone must follow it? For example, marriage is exclusive between a man and woman even if the type of ceremony performed is only civil and not religious? Now what I'm asking Blade is does the constitution allow for you to extend your religious beliefs over others so that everyone must follow them irrespective of how they believe?

Well the answer is no, you can't extend your religious beliefs over others and force them to follow you because it will violate their first amendment right as well as other rights based on the Constitution. Now, if that's the case then how is Church and State not separate? Now if you really don't think the first amendment provides for Separation of Church and State then explain how you can legislate your religious beliefs and not have the legislation struck down by the supreme court at the first opportunity?



This is how we test the boundaries Blade. Why all the tears when you can do the exact same thing that liberals do and hire a lawyer and let the courts decide who's right and who's wrong! You guys just won a major case that allows for a business to discriminate against homosexuals based on religious beliefs. That's pretty major and you even got two of the liberal judges to side with you so I would think you would have faith that the courts work plus you are going to be able to pack the courts for decades to come! So why aren't you rejoicing instead of wringing your hands in dread of what us e-vile liberals might be up to next?


Gotta stop you right here because when it come to Trump your morality is relative and you only apply the moral standard if it's to your political opposition and not your own political candidate. The hypocrisy aside that's exactly why Churches have become targets of the government. And what did Christ say: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto god what is gods?

Now you are the theist here but that sound's an awfully lot like Christ was trying to keep Church and State in their own separate spheres. If that's the case then why would Christian theists try to mix the two? If you are using your Churches as political tools to gain your ideological goodies then you would have violated the foundation your church was founded on so you would be taxed accordingly...nothing more...

The rest of it is what the courts are for so if you think you have a case then prosecute it and stop with all the 'bullet point tears'


Hey, I live in Texas so be careful when you paint with that broad brush of yours as it doesn't apply. Here we have mega churches where they tell their congregation to v**e for Conservatives because use e-vile liberals are Satan's spawn. So it seems like the t***sgressions are going both ways--unless you are complaining about Pastor Robert Jeffress and the less then love that he likes to spew.



The T***h yes but with the e******n of Trump you've made the T***h relative and why would a private church have access to public funds?

The government cannot legally tell you what Bible passages are off limits, or limit what prayer or message or Scripture you share in a public forum, or drive you from a public sidewalk, park, or building in which you are respectfully sharing your faith.


The only 'immoral behavior' that you guys now stand against is homosexuality and as far as I can tell so long as the politician is politically expedient there is no moral indiscretion he/she can commit that would violate any religious covenant. Hell, I have to wonder if Trump were a homosexual if that would even matter so long as he provided you with your ideological wants and wishes there is no moral indiscretion that seems to matter. And again, I have no clue where any of this is happening because you haven't bothered to enlighten me.


The separation of Church and State has been in place since the founding of this country. The principle author of the Constitution James Madison was very specific that the Constitution provided for Church and State to be separate. You are welcome to argue that but there is ample documentation of his objection of the two crossing into each others boundaries. And contrary to what you might think the separation of Church and State is as much to your benefit as it is anyone else. Individual freedom cannot exist if one can legislate ones beliefs and force others to follow them irrespective of how they may impact others lives.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

PeterS: Read this carefully to see if YOU “get it”

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting. Psalms 139:23-24

I recently read a story about a rather pompous-looking deacon who was endeavoring to impress upon a class of boys the importance of living the Christian life. 'Why do you think people call me a Christian?' the man asked. After a moment's pause, one youngster said, 'Maybe it's because they don't know you.'

I don't know if this is a true story -- but I'm sure we've all experienced hypocrisy in our own lives. Mark Twain said "We're all like the moon, we have a dark side we don't want anyone to see".

Hypocrisy is a dangerous thing. Like you Pete, it has turned a many a man away from the Lord to search elsewhere for answers. It can ruin an entire generation and more after them. But I have the opportunity to change those generations for the good of God's kingdom! Those like me who know and love God must never stop allowing Him to search our "dark sides" so that we can more effectively be used as vessels to lead the hungry multitudes to Him.

It is time come against the hypocrisy in OUR lives Pete. Let's ask the Lord to search our hearts today and uproot the things that need uprooting. Let's give our all to God again.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Hey Pete don't quote the Bible, you don't know what you're talking about. That verse, which you so conveniently took out of context, is referring to the saints who will support the Jews being persecuted and murdered during the Tribulation.

Radiance3

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I am a Roman Catholic and I back president Trump 1000%. So us many other Christian faith. God put the president Trump in this position.

Lonewolf

It's pretty hard to be Christian and support trump ,but if you surrender all your moral beliefs and scrap your self respect it can be done!

Lonewolf

It's pretty hard to be Christian and support trump ,but if you surrender all your moral beliefs and scrap your self respect it can be done!

Lonewolf

Russia elected trump



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I am a Roman Catholic and I back president Trump 1000%. So us many other Christian faith. God put the president Trump in this position.[/quote]

Radiance3

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You, Maxine Waters, and Whoopi, Ocasio-Cortez mostly represent who the democrats/socialists/c*******ts are.
D********g!

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

pathetic troll

Radiance3

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You love the new found democrat movement of Ocasio-Cortez. You are one of the trolls.