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Jul 18, 2018 20:15:50   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Nickolai wrote:
The events at NATO the G-7 the EU and Helsinki shows it is worse than we thought Trump is in Putin's pocket I've been saying to every body but now its there for all to see


" Trump is in Putin's pocket I've been saying to every body but now its there for all to see" - Nick
At this point you need more than glasses Nick.

Bill Browder, CIA Oligarch.
https://www.therussophile.org/bill-browder-the-cia-asset-and-neocon-z*****t-who-restarted-the-cold-war-with-russia-2.html/

He calls Trump a dupe, but Brennan actually was one for the Soviets. https://spectator.org/john-brennan-misses-c*******t-russia/

https://ahtribune.com/politics/2285-bill-browder.html

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Jul 18, 2018 20:33:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
The events at NATO the G-7 the EU and Helsinki shows it is worse than we thought Trump is in Putin's pocket I've been saying to every body but now its there for all to see


Trump is not Putin's puppet and here's why

Trump has been trying to erode Russia's monopoly over Europe's gas market for the past year.

The July 16 meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin produced polar opposite reactions in the public sphere. For Trump and Putin supporters and the Russian state media, the summit was a great success in improving Russian-US relations. For American Democrats, some Republicans and the US mainstream media, it was yet another proof that Trump has become Putin's puppet.

The outrage of the latter group was so strong that the US president had to retract his claim that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 US e******ns.

The only thing that both sides seem to agree on is that Trump found common language with Putin. The problem is that one side perceived this as treason, the other as diplomatic talent.

What both of these interpretations miss is that Trump is like Putin in that he has to be judged by his actions, not by his rhetoric. And there seems to be no Russian puppetry involved in what he has been doing in recent months.


Let's take his policies on the energy sector, where Russia's national interests lie.

Oil and gas are the Kremlin's main foreign policy weapon and its main tool of ensuring internal stability. The rise in oil prices in the early 2000s made Putin what he is today. Gas is also the main leverage he has over the EU. Russia is Europe's main exporter of gas and currently provides for 50 percent of its gas needs. Gas and oil pipelines are also one of the Kremlin's main tools of control over energy-exporting countries in Central Asia, like Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

But this is also the weakness of Putin's system. Russia's economy continues to grow more dependent on the export of energy resources and today, they account for more than 60 percent of all exports.

And what has Trump been doing about that? He's been putting pressure on Saudi Arabia to increase its oil output in order to compensate for Iran's elimination from the market by US sanctions and keep the prices low. And he's expecting Russia to back that move, even though the Russian economy is still suffering from a slump caused by the fall in oil prices in 2014.

More importantly, Trump has also been demanding that Europe cancel Nordstream-2, a gas pipeline project which is meant to increase the supply of Russian gas to northern Europe, especially Germany. Nordstream is Putin's brainchild and is important not just from an economic perspective; it is meant to increase Russian leverage over Europe.

Putin has already invested a lot of diplomatic, lobbyist and financial resources in the project. In trying to block it, Trump is following in the footsteps of the Obama administration which managed to pressure Bulgaria into cancelling the South Stream gas pipeline which was meant to supply Russian gas to southern Europe and Austria.

The reason why Trump wants to undermine Nordstream is because he would like to keep the European market open to US liquefied gas (LNG). Last June, Poland received its first shipment of LNG from the US. A month later, Trump visited the country and pitched US LNG to a meeting of 12 Central and Eastern European countries heavily dependent on Russian gas.

"Let me be clear about one crucial point. The United States will never use energy to coerce your nations, and we cannot allow others to do so," he said at that meeting. It's not difficult to guess who he was referring to.

That summer the first major shipments of US LNG arrived in Lithuania, Spain, and the UK, as well.

Then in March this year, the US Energy Information Administration reported that US LNG exports quadrupled from 2016 to 2017; exports to European countries (including Turkey) increased five-fold.

Just days before Trump met Putin, he chastised German Chancellor Angela Merkel over Germany's gas imports saying her country is "captive" to Russia.

If it were Barack Obama who made such statements, Russian state media would have come after him. But there was no outrage on Russian political talk shows about this, probably because the Kremlin is still secretly hoping that Trump might come around and make some concessions on the sanctions. And there wasn't much interest in this statement in US media because after all, it contradicted the convenient narrative that Trump is now Putin's puppet.

Beyond oil and gas, Russia is also starting to suffer from Trump's tariff wars (the US is Russia's fifth-biggest trading partner). Metals are also a big part of Russian exports and Trump's decision to impose a 25-percent tariff on the import of steel and 10 percent on aluminum was bad news for Russia. The losses Russian companies are currently suffering are still not that big but this is only the beginning of the trade war.

In the foreign policy realm, Trump might seem like he's playing by Russia's fiddle but even that is related to business for him.

Iran, a major point of supposed contention between Russia and the US, is an issue Trump had to raise with Putin because it pays off: in big security contracts with Gulf states and in political support from Israel for the 2020 e******ns.

On Syria, it might look like he is stepping back, but that is not because he acknowledges Putin's interest there. The US president from the very beginning wanted to pull out from the country after he declared ISIL's defeat. The only thing that has kept US troops on the ground there has been the Pentagon, which also took the decision in February this year to strike a group of Russian mercenaries and pro-regime troops who were advancing on their positions in northern Syria.

And on Ukraine, Trump doesn't seem to be making any major concessions; in fact, in January this year, the US sold Javelin anti-tank launchers to Kiev - something that even the Obama administration wouldn't do.

In other words, Trump does not behave as Putin's puppet. He behaves as a person who sees himself as a great deal-maker, who is able to negotiate with anyone - from Putin to Kim Jong-un - to get a good deal.

The US president is a businessman who started his career in the real estate sector. In this type of business, one does not care who buys the penthouse as long as it is swiftly paid for. A number of apartments in the Trump Tower, for example, were bought by people of questionable or criminal background (including Russian citizens).

In this sense, it is not a surprise that Trump is dealing with anyone and everyone in the pursuit of the most lucrative deal.

Of course, whether this strategy is indeed effective or not can be debated. Many experts think it isn't, but this does not mean that Trump's policies are dictated by Putin; they are dictated by his own views, however wrong they may be.

This is not necessarily good for Putin. Despite all the niceties exchanged and footballs passed at the summit, there is still no development on the major issues of concern for the Kremlin: sanctions and Ukraine. If this is how Trump will do business for the next two years and if reelected, the another four afterwards, the Russian president might start thinking that the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails might not have been such a good idea after all.

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Jul 18, 2018 20:42:31   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Trump is not Putin's puppet and here's why

Trump has been trying to erode Russia's monopoly over Europe's gas market for the past year.

The July 16 meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin produced polar opposite reactions in the public sphere. For Trump and Putin supporters and the Russian state media, the summit was a great success in improving Russian-US relations. For American Democrats, some Republicans and the US mainstream media, it was yet another proof that Trump has become Putin's puppet.

The outrage of the latter group was so strong that the US president had to retract his claim that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 US e******ns.

The only thing that both sides seem to agree on is that Trump found common language with Putin. The problem is that one side perceived this as treason, the other as diplomatic talent.

What both of these interpretations miss is that Trump is like Putin in that he has to be judged by his actions, not by his rhetoric. And there seems to be no Russian puppetry involved in what he has been doing in recent months.


Let's take his policies on the energy sector, where Russia's national interests lie.

Oil and gas are the Kremlin's main foreign policy weapon and its main tool of ensuring internal stability. The rise in oil prices in the early 2000s made Putin what he is today. Gas is also the main leverage he has over the EU. Russia is Europe's main exporter of gas and currently provides for 50 percent of its gas needs. Gas and oil pipelines are also one of the Kremlin's main tools of control over energy-exporting countries in Central Asia, like Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

But this is also the weakness of Putin's system. Russia's economy continues to grow more dependent on the export of energy resources and today, they account for more than 60 percent of all exports.

And what has Trump been doing about that? He's been putting pressure on Saudi Arabia to increase its oil output in order to compensate for Iran's elimination from the market by US sanctions and keep the prices low. And he's expecting Russia to back that move, even though the Russian economy is still suffering from a slump caused by the fall in oil prices in 2014.

More importantly, Trump has also been demanding that Europe cancel Nordstream-2, a gas pipeline project which is meant to increase the supply of Russian gas to northern Europe, especially Germany. Nordstream is Putin's brainchild and is important not just from an economic perspective; it is meant to increase Russian leverage over Europe.

Putin has already invested a lot of diplomatic, lobbyist and financial resources in the project. In trying to block it, Trump is following in the footsteps of the Obama administration which managed to pressure Bulgaria into cancelling the South Stream gas pipeline which was meant to supply Russian gas to southern Europe and Austria.

The reason why Trump wants to undermine Nordstream is because he would like to keep the European market open to US liquefied gas (LNG). Last June, Poland received its first shipment of LNG from the US. A month later, Trump visited the country and pitched US LNG to a meeting of 12 Central and Eastern European countries heavily dependent on Russian gas.

"Let me be clear about one crucial point. The United States will never use energy to coerce your nations, and we cannot allow others to do so," he said at that meeting. It's not difficult to guess who he was referring to.

That summer the first major shipments of US LNG arrived in Lithuania, Spain, and the UK, as well.

Then in March this year, the US Energy Information Administration reported that US LNG exports quadrupled from 2016 to 2017; exports to European countries (including Turkey) increased five-fold.

Just days before Trump met Putin, he chastised German Chancellor Angela Merkel over Germany's gas imports saying her country is "captive" to Russia.

If it were Barack Obama who made such statements, Russian state media would have come after him. But there was no outrage on Russian political talk shows about this, probably because the Kremlin is still secretly hoping that Trump might come around and make some concessions on the sanctions. And there wasn't much interest in this statement in US media because after all, it contradicted the convenient narrative that Trump is now Putin's puppet.

Beyond oil and gas, Russia is also starting to suffer from Trump's tariff wars (the US is Russia's fifth-biggest trading partner). Metals are also a big part of Russian exports and Trump's decision to impose a 25-percent tariff on the import of steel and 10 percent on aluminum was bad news for Russia. The losses Russian companies are currently suffering are still not that big but this is only the beginning of the trade war.

In the foreign policy realm, Trump might seem like he's playing by Russia's fiddle but even that is related to business for him.

Iran, a major point of supposed contention between Russia and the US, is an issue Trump had to raise with Putin because it pays off: in big security contracts with Gulf states and in political support from Israel for the 2020 e******ns.

On Syria, it might look like he is stepping back, but that is not because he acknowledges Putin's interest there. The US president from the very beginning wanted to pull out from the country after he declared ISIL's defeat. The only thing that has kept US troops on the ground there has been the Pentagon, which also took the decision in February this year to strike a group of Russian mercenaries and pro-regime troops who were advancing on their positions in northern Syria.

And on Ukraine, Trump doesn't seem to be making any major concessions; in fact, in January this year, the US sold Javelin anti-tank launchers to Kiev - something that even the Obama administration wouldn't do.

In other words, Trump does not behave as Putin's puppet. He behaves as a person who sees himself as a great deal-maker, who is able to negotiate with anyone - from Putin to Kim Jong-un - to get a good deal.

The US president is a businessman who started his career in the real estate sector. In this type of business, one does not care who buys the penthouse as long as it is swiftly paid for. A number of apartments in the Trump Tower, for example, were bought by people of questionable or criminal background (including Russian citizens).

In this sense, it is not a surprise that Trump is dealing with anyone and everyone in the pursuit of the most lucrative deal.

Of course, whether this strategy is indeed effective or not can be debated. Many experts think it isn't, but this does not mean that Trump's policies are dictated by Putin; they are dictated by his own views, however wrong they may be.

This is not necessarily good for Putin. Despite all the niceties exchanged and footballs passed at the summit, there is still no development on the major issues of concern for the Kremlin: sanctions and Ukraine. If this is how Trump will do business for the next two years and if reelected, the another four afterwards, the Russian president might start thinking that the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails might not have been such a good idea after all.
b Trump is not Putin's puppet and here's why /b ... (show quote)


"If this is how Trump will do business for the next two years and if reelected, the another four afterwards, the Russian president might start thinking that the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails might not have been such a good idea after all."

Hillary won't be there to make it sooo easy.

BTW;
Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context
Storm Clouds Gathering, Ukraine
Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being Told
"fuck the EU"; A quote from Valery Jarret at 5 Min 30 seconds
https://youtu.be/fWkfpGCAAuw

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Jul 19, 2018 01:34:46   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Nickolai wrote:
The events at NATO the G-7 the EU and Helsinki shows it is worse than we thought Trump is in Putin's pocket I've been saying to every body but now its there for all to see

Trump never really denied it, can't blame him for that because that's what he was before the 2016 e******n, pro Russia anti China and feckless on EU, I don't think his ideas are really great on anything except conservative ethics, that's probably why the Soviet Union crashed and brunt terminal indulgence I call it, the worst of the worst is Obama, did you hear him making a speech yesterday, I think it was about taking control of the instruction against Trump kissing up to Putin, I'm not sure I had to shut it down but all's well that ends well, we won't hear from him again I hope.


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Jul 19, 2018 02:27:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
byronglimish wrote:
What or who do you see Donald Trump trying to save America from?

Ha, ha... I know right?

Churchill took over to guide Britain and her allies during a bloody global war against Germany, Italy AND (at the time) Russia. Trump took over when the economy was humming, unemployment was at it's lowest point and the worst problem and he had to make up stories to suggest that Americans had any problems at all, like how we suffer from "bad deals". LOL

We should pray nothing like what Churchill had to deal with happens while Trump is in office.

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Jul 19, 2018 02:32:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"If this is how Trump will do business for the next two years and if reelected, the another four afterwards, the Russian president might start thinking that the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails might not have been such a good idea after all."

Hillary won't be there to make it sooo easy.

That wouldn't matter... Anyone can be demonized like Hillary was. All it takes is money and a gullible population.

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Jul 19, 2018 02:44:18   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RT friend wrote:
Trump never really denied it, can't blame him for that because that's what he was before the 2016 e******n, pro Russia anti China and feckless on EU, I don't think his ideas are really great on anything except conservative ethics, that's probably why the Soviet Union crashed and brunt terminal indulgence I call it, the worst of the worst is Obama, did you hear him making a speech yesterday, I think it was about taking control of the instruction against Trump kissing up to Putin, I'm not sure I had to shut it down but all's well that ends well, we won't hear from him again I hope.

Trump never really denied it, can't blame him for ... (show quote)

It's perfectly acceptable to have biases. We all have them. But it's not acceptable for a U.S. president to make excuses for Russian attacks on the republic he is sworn to defend.

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Jul 19, 2018 04:31:37   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
straightUp wrote:
It's perfectly acceptable to have biases. We all have them. But it's not acceptable for a U.S. president to make excuses for Russian attacks on the republic he is sworn to defend.

Trump is defending what remains of US industry US has media outlets in Russia, splitting hairs to say Putin was attacking US democracy, all the hawks went off the deep end yesterday, retracted their over the top silly rubbish today, no-one grave it a second thought, everyone knows Trump gets carries away in the moment, the other thing is if US dumps Trump because US wants antagonism with Russia that means at this juncture the new-boy would have to make up with China or take on China and Russia combined as well as Iran and Germany not far behind. Forget about it.


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Jul 19, 2018 08:25:21   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
It's perfectly acceptable to have biases. We all have them. But it's not acceptable for a U.S. president to make excuses for Russian attacks on the republic he is sworn to defend.


straightUp wrote:
"It's perfectly acceptable to have biases. We all have them. But it's not acceptable for a U.S. president to make excuses for Russian attacks on the republic he is sworn to defend."

This is A Key Moment In World History: Deep State in Total Panic & Fully Exposed
https://youtu.be/fZCQm3o1lNE
BTW; IMO; After watching this expose, It should be shared with all contacts.

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Jul 19, 2018 12:38:37   #
Nickolai
 
RT friend wrote:
Trump never really denied it, can't blame him for that because that's what he was before the 2016 e******n, pro Russia anti China and feckless on EU, I don't think his ideas are really great on anything except conservative ethics, that's probably why the Soviet Union crashed and brunt terminal indulgence I call it, the worst of the worst is Obama, did you hear him making a speech yesterday, I think it was about taking control of the instruction against Trump kissing up to Putin, I'm not sure I had to shut it down but all's well that ends well, we won't hear from him again I hope.

Trump never really denied it, can't blame him for ... (show quote)





When Trump comes on my TV I hit the mute button Neither my wife nor can stand his voice. President Obamas speech in South Africa was a great speech. Obama is the greatest speaker since JFK and was the best President since JFK

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Jul 19, 2018 12:43:25   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Trump by a landslide.
Do you think Churchill went up against a corrupt establishment?
Trump has.


That is an interesting point.
Trump joined as a qualified participant.

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Jul 19, 2018 12:46:11   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Nickolai wrote:
When Trump comes on my TV I hit the mute button Neither my wife nor can stand his voice. President Obamas speech in South Africa was a great speech. Obama is the greatest speaker since JFK and was the best President since JFK


This A Key Moment In World History: Deep State in Total Panic & Fully Exposed
https://youtu.be/fZCQm3o1lNE
BTW; IMO; After watching this expose, It should be shared with all contacts.

DEEP STATE TREACHERY & OTHER PAINFUL T***HS
https://youtu.be/e8qvJewpH4o

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Jul 19, 2018 13:11:41   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
eagleye13 wrote:
This A Key Moment In World History: Deep State in Total Panic & Fully Exposed
https://youtu.be/fZCQm3o1lNE
BTW; IMO; After watching this expose, It should be shared with all contacts.

DEEP STATE TREACHERY & OTHER PAINFUL T***HS
https://youtu.be/e8qvJewpH4o


You are going down the wrong path.

When Putin is in the picture.

Using Putin in the form of saving the w****s position in the world is like joining the devil.

Is at best a diversionary & delaying tactic do maintaining the w****s power structure.

Time better spent on becoming a vital part of the future of man-kind.

Each day of delay along with the actions of Trump messing up international relations only makes the path of destruction of the white race more pronounced.

Our preservation is going to be decided on how we stay integrated in the world as a whole.

It will be how well we stay integrated in the world around us that will preserve most of what we are & have.

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Jul 19, 2018 13:18:19   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
straightUp wrote:
That wouldn't matter... Anyone can be demonized like Hillary was. All it takes is money and a gullible population.


"Anyone can be demonized like Hillary was. All it takes is money and a gullible population." - straightUp

You really believe that,s Up?

Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight
https://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI


Hillary the Scandals
http://youtu.be/BYKAzJcU-DA

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Jul 19, 2018 18:38:20   #
RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia
 
Nickolai wrote:
When Trump comes on my TV I hit the mute button Neither my wife nor can stand his voice. President Obamas speech in South Africa was a great speech. Obama is the greatest speaker since JFK and was the best President since JFK

This could be serious, best practice is to find out as much as possible about subliminal commands, it probably wont help, I know everything about them and I wake up every morning craving another subliminial command, that's because we are creatures of addiction, or it could be we are looking for a something that doesn't exist, a wish is a fantasy and a command is obligatory,
My latest video should be up-taken on Quora today or tomorrow I'm "Terry Loder" on Quora, Terry is my middle name, Rodney is the first (RT) the question is. -

"When two people are having a deep conversation about a topic and it makes complete sense, it's impactful on me, but when asked to disguises the conversation only pellets of near non-sensual gibberish come out, why does this happen, how can I fix it ?." end question. I didn't ask the question and it has only two followers.

In my video, I am a silhouette reading my composition concerning the question, which is highly pertinent to our not being able to tolerate anticedent displays depicting considered harmful ideologies, and anticedent because the important thing is the mechanical response to prior conceived meaning.
I don't make long videos this is not the caption it's the entire video.

"What does the bumblebee think when he's on his way home, does he believe in the someone who is accompanying him for the sake of ritualistic expression ?. Or does he imagine that Persona is an open door on the avenue of highway exteavert-malleability, so the impediment is seen as a disability instead of a compliment to his capacity of capability.

Consequently he and his companion are feeling fractured relations, possibly him and her in a blessed occasion, until they reach the dunny door where the bumblebee has a living arrangement through a vestibule hole unsuitable for a party occasion" . end poem.

Something followed but I didn't make a note of it, and the poem is not exactly the same so it's not owned by Quora and available for semantic-preview if anyone thinks it has seminal value then feel free to exercise synoptic reevaluation or modification.

Have a good day fellow thinker.







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