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Jul 17, 2018 18:33:13   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
ALL prisons are for profit!!!


False. Totally false! Privately owned prisons are a scourge inflicted by the Right. They were almost done away with because those invested in them were judges and prosecutors. There treatment of prisoners was abysmal. Hey, bottom-line, not just punishment. Sessions revived them. Plus they oversee themselves. It is the nadir of privatization.

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Jul 17, 2018 18:34:03   #
rumitoid
 
Cats f**e yawns when they are deeply attentive.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:02:54   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
I agree with much of what is being discussed regarding our prison system, and yeah, we need reform, just as our legal system does. But that's a different topic.

I guess my question would be, how many chances should a repeat offender be allowed?

I ask this from the perspective of a grandad who is raising a grandaughter because her mother is in prison.....again.

My step-daughter will be 24 in a few days, and this will be her fifth birthday spent in lock up.
She has been through state funded rehab three times, and one time that I paid for out of my retirement funds. Yet it continues.
When is enough enough with some people?

And, what's wrong with having prisoners do work for the state that is holding them?

Personally, I'm a fan of big rocks into little rocks, but that would be cruel.
I agree with much of what is being discussed regar... (show quote)


A prisoner needs to be paid for what they do. I am not talking minimum wage or "sustainable income," but a salary. There is something to restoring their work ethic and sense of accomplishment. Breaking old habits. Finding meaning. Changing. We have a system in America, and probably everyone else, that holds to retributive justice: punishment for what they did. Psychological findings (h**e them, doubt them, or wh**ever) have found over four decades that reward/punishment is ineffective. Not that it cannot work, but it is not optimum. Your question as to "When is enough enough with some people? comes down to effective measures to deal with the problem. Your daughter appears to be caught up in the insanity that I was. Those without the problem are living on a different and alien planet than us. The most successful way back is Restorative Justice. It is working with the community one harmed, making amends, and being given the chance for full acceptance as a citizen.

Many on the Right h**e this. Cuddling criminals. Politically correct BS. Bleeding-heart nonsense. But it works. Here are a few sites that better explain Restorative Justice you may like to read:
http://www.prisonfellowship.org.uk/what-we-do/sycamore-tree/does-restorative-justice-work/
http://www.antoniocasella.eu/restorative/Menkel-Meadow_2007.pdf

As a Christian, I do not believe in ever giving up on a person. The key is to give freely. And that is highly difficult thing to explain or give advise on. Just this point: we cannot be taken advantage of if what we give is freely given out of love. Wh**ever time, resources, money, or effort we extend is not on some balance sheet. We can get angry and disappointed over the progress of a loved one but for their sake and not our frustration or time, resources, money of effort we have spent. That's free! Okay, I have stopped preaching.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:04:47   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Trump just hosted a powwow on how to reform our prison system. Imagine that. The Dems, of course, were having none of it and neither was the media. You'd think they would be shouting the good news in inner cities.


If we knew what he proposed or let us know, perhaps.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:05:52   #
rumitoid
 
old marine wrote:
IF I AGREED WITH YOU, THEN WE BOTH WOULD BE WRONG.

BUT FOR PARTICIPATING.

YOU WIN THE 🎃 AWARD 😎


Funny. Good one.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:07:38   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
I like that idea. Maybe I could get my TV,my wife's jewelry, my welder, and tools back.


And the person? You do not want them back? Okay, probably not.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:10:09   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Grey Davis was recalled after running the budget into the ground.

At a time when CA was laying off teachers the CCPOA received a 30% pay raise over three years.

The CCPOA union at that time was the richest and most powerful in the state.

They fought Prop 36 tooth and nail. Prisoners are job security to them.

I was in prison then and I know exactly what happened.

I remember the COs pulling the air slot machine lever and saying "Ka ching!" whenever a bus of new prisoners rolled in.
Grey Davis was I recalled /I after running the b... (show quote)


So you agree with emarine.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:11:58   #
rumitoid
 
Digger47 wrote:
Funny how you conveniently fail to put " illegal " before the word immigrants . potus doesn't have a problem are with " legal " immigration, he does have a problem with " illegal" immigrants. If you are going to tell a story, tell the whole story!


Sorry, keep up with news: he does have a problem legal immigrants.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:13:16   #
rumitoid
 
lindajoy wrote:
Nothing like speaking from first hand knowledge!!! Those whom are trying to relate it do so just to inflame, incite and defame... Leave them to their wretched standard of no character, no ethics and certainly their own stupidity they show everytime the make their assinine posts...

Hang in there mister!!! You got it going on!!! Nailed it you did!!

https://youtu.be/i4Q9WRsAZeM
Nothing like speaking from first hand knowledge!!!... (show quote)


You are a nice person. All I can say.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:26:21   #
rumitoid
 
lindajoy wrote:
Anger ~~ question is what about?? She feels deprived?? She feels its simply easier to act out not really caring.. That daughter should make her want better??

Sometimes you just have to hit them with tough love and let them work their way out of it ....

Let her know you love her, will always be there for her but until she wants it for herself you are out of it... Its enough taking your grand daughter in which I know to be just as you are and would always do! But that’s enough, Arch..

Don’t enable her or she will constantly use you as her crutch...Love her and let her find her own self.. To include hitting rock bottom and have to work her way out of it on her own..
Anger ~~ question is what about?? She feels depriv... (show quote)


There is not set formula. I remember back in Taos in 1986 a mother went to her first Al-anon Meeting. She told them her daughter had been arrested for pubic intoxication and she could pick her up. The group advised her not to do it, she needed tough love, she needed consequences. She got them. Once released considered sober, she bought a bottle of Jack Daniels, she fell and passed out in a pool of water several inches in depth and drowned. She was 21. Tragic, yet we tend to think it her fault. Her choice. Rules of engagement over addiction do not work, or if they do it is happenstance. It is a person. The tendency is to treat addiction as an object. It is impossible to know what exactly may change the heart. Enabling, tough love, a car crash, a sudden epiphany, or wh**ever. That those that get and stay sober on a waiting list for treatment is slightly greater than those that go to treatment, tells us we are still in the dark about this problem.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:29:13   #
rumitoid
 
lindajoy wrote:
I was speaking of Mike’s actual spent time in jail and his reality of that ...

I like you too!!


One man's actual time spent in jail is not a calibrating point. Useful, yes, but not the rule.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:40:59   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
A prisoner needs to be paid for what they do. I am not talking minimum wage or "sustainable income," but a salary. There is something to restoring their work ethic and sense of accomplishment. Breaking old habits. Finding meaning. Changing. We have a system in America, and probably everyone else, that holds to retributive justice: punishment for what they did. Psychological findings (h**e them, doubt them, or wh**ever) have found over four decades that reward/punishment is ineffective. Not that it cannot work, but it is not optimum. Your question as to "When is enough enough with some people? comes down to effective measures to deal with the problem. Your daughter appears to be caught up in the insanity that I was. Those without the problem are living on a different and alien planet than us. The most successful way back is Restorative Justice. It is working with the community one harmed, making amends, and being given the chance for full acceptance as a citizen.

Many on the Right h**e this. Cuddling criminals. Politically correct BS. Bleeding-heart nonsense. But it works. Here are a few sites that better explain Restorative Justice you may like to read:
http://www.prisonfellowship.org.uk/what-we-do/sycamore-tree/does-restorative-justice-work/
http://www.antoniocasella.eu/restorative/Menkel-Meadow_2007.pdf

As a Christian, I do not believe in ever giving up on a person. The key is to give freely. And that is highly difficult thing to explain or give advise on. Just this point: we cannot be taken advantage of if what we give is freely given out of love. Wh**ever time, resources, money, or effort we extend is not on some balance sheet. We can get angry and disappointed over the progress of a loved one but for their sake and not our frustration or time, resources, money of effort we have spent. That's free! Okay, I have stopped preaching.
A prisoner needs to be paid for what they do. I am... (show quote)


Well Reverend, I'm out of cheeks now. Nothing left to turn.

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Jul 17, 2018 19:48:16   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
🎃🏆🐒

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Jul 17, 2018 19:54:57   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
rumitoid wrote:
A prisoner needs to be paid for what they do. I am not talking minimum wage or "sustainable income," but a salary. There is something to restoring their work ethic and sense of accomplishment. Breaking old habits. Finding meaning. Changing. We have a system in America, and probably everyone else, that holds to retributive justice: punishment for what they did. Psychological findings (h**e them, doubt them, or wh**ever) have found over four decades that reward/punishment is ineffective. Not that it cannot work, but it is not optimum. Your question as to "When is enough enough with some people? comes down to effective measures to deal with the problem. Your daughter appears to be caught up in the insanity that I was. Those without the problem are living on a different and alien planet than us. The most successful way back is Restorative Justice. It is working with the community one harmed, making amends, and being given the chance for full acceptance as a citizen.

Many on the Right h**e this. Cuddling criminals. Politically correct BS. Bleeding-heart nonsense. But it works. Here are a few sites that better explain Restorative Justice you may like to read:
http://www.prisonfellowship.org.uk/what-we-do/sycamore-tree/does-restorative-justice-work/
http://www.antoniocasella.eu/restorative/Menkel-Meadow_2007.pdf

As a Christian, I do not believe in ever giving up on a person. The key is to give freely. And that is highly difficult thing to explain or give advise on. Just this point: we cannot be taken advantage of if what we give is freely given out of love. Wh**ever time, resources, money, or effort we extend is not on some balance sheet. We can get angry and disappointed over the progress of a loved one but for their sake and not our frustration or time, resources, money of effort we have spent. That's free! Okay, I have stopped preaching.
A prisoner needs to be paid for what they do. I am... (show quote)


Thats rich,Rumi....."As a Christian i do not believe in ever giving up on a person"...Really???So you dont give up on a criminal murderer, but you DO give up on your President????...Really????

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Jul 17, 2018 19:57:36   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
proud republican wrote:
Thats rich,Rumi....."As a Christian i do not believe in ever giving up on a person"...Really???So you dont give up on a criminal murderer, but you DO give up on your President????...Really????


Damn good point!!

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