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Jul 9, 2018 13:56:03   #
JoyV
 
cbpat1 wrote:
Rumitoid, you unfortunately have been a sucker for the typical liberal line of bulls**t that the libs always throw out there for public review. Remember, it was a republican President that freed the s***es, it was a Democrat governor (George Wallace) that laid across the steps of a university as to not let b****s attend college in Alabama. The democrats have been race baiters as long as I can remember, learning from the extortionist Jessie Jackson and just gotten worse from there.
The conservatives have not done any harm to the so called L***Q community. They just don’t concern themselves with passing laws to give them more favor than non L***Q community members and don’t want the idealogy shoved down young school children’s throats, who are too young to even understand the concept. People on the right have the attitude, for the most part it’s ok to disagree with the liberals, however the liberals want to destroy anyone who disagrees with them, even a little bit.
Another thing you have suckered for is this Hillary invented republican “war on women”. Republicans have every bit as much respect for women as democrats do, and for anyone to say otherwise is just pure nonsense.
I’m disappointed that the liberals such as you, yourself, who claim to be so open minded, and accepting of others, are so closed minded and h**eful of people who don’t totally agree with you. It’s one thing to agree to disagree, but, the h**eful rhetoric from the left is borderline dangerous and getting worse everyday. Just watch Maxine Waters go bananas every day. We love you all, no matter what your views are, please quit hating us for having views of our own.
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Jul 9, 2018 14:27:17   #
maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
rumitoid wrote:
That is totally absurd, "MS13 are the good guys" to Liberals. Where did you get that craziness, Infowars?



Nancy Pelosi

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Jul 9, 2018 14:37:27   #
JoyV
 
rumitoid wrote:
That is totally absurd, "MS13 are the good guys" to Liberals. Where did you get that craziness, Infowars?


Nancy Pelosi! In her response to Trump calling the MS13 k**lers, animals.

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Jul 9, 2018 14:46:18   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Peewee wrote:
Floyd, we were getting along so nicely and then you spout the "only near and dear"
and the "exclusive of outsider" comments. You need to meet more of us or your living in a bubble.





I think you include me in the wide view of what you feel about liberals.
There are people classed as liberals that just fall in to the group of people left out of the system.
As a liberal I feel more people need to be drawn into being an active participant in the system.
Where they can be a productive part in doing what needs doing.
While being rewarded fairly for their input.
Sharing in the burdens of the system.

So I say rethink the bubble issue.

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Jul 9, 2018 15:09:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maximus wrote:
Nancy Pelosi


http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2018/may/24/donald-trump/donald-trumps-false-claim-nancy-pelosi-came-out-fa/

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Jul 9, 2018 15:09:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Nancy Pelosi! In her response to Trump calling the MS13 k**lers, animals.


What Pelosi said
Pelosi clearly chose the interpretation of Trump’s words at the roundtable that was least favorable to Trump. But that doesn’t mean she was embracing violent gang members.

At a May 17 press conference, the day after Trump’s "animals" comment, Pelosi said "calling people animals is not a good thing" and defended "undocumented immigrants." She did not mention MS-13 gang members.

Pelosi said "we're all God's children" and spoke about "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth."

"And so when the president of the United States says about undocumented immigrants, ‘These aren't people. These are animals,’ you have to wonder, does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person? ‘These are not people. These are animals.’ The president of the United States," Pelosi said.

White House spokesman Steven Cheung said in an emailed statement, "Pelosi either is peddling an out-of-context quote that mainstream media outlets have corrected or retracted (AP and CNN), or defending MS-13 gang members whose motto is rape, control, and k**l."

The White House said the "animals" term is language Trump has used before when talking about MS-13 gang members.

Still, Pelosi did not defend MS-13 gang members or come out in their favor, as Trump claimed. She centered her comments on "undocumented immigrants" and rebuked using the word "animals" to refer to people.




http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2018/may/24/donald-trump/donald-trumps-false-claim-nancy-pelosi-came-out-fa/

Our ruling
Trump said Pelosi "came out in favor of MS-13."

Trump’s claim is based on Pelosi’s criticism of Trump for using the word "animals" during an immigration meeting with California officials. Trump used that term after a sheriff spoke about MS-13 gang members.

A day after Trump’s comment, Pelosi said "calling people animals is not a good thing" and defended "undocumented immigrants." Pelosi did not mention MS-13 gang members in her comments.

While Trump blasted media reports and others for missing the context of his remarks, he did just that with Pelosi’s comment. We rate it False.

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Jul 9, 2018 17:01:45   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Noraa wrote:
I use to be liberal until I grew up and had to work and pay taxes. I turned conservative because I believed in the Constitution and one earning one's way. Now I am an Independent because both sides have become radical and do nothing. I am disgusted with all of Congress. I wish they had term limits, didn't make so much, had to draw Social Security upon age 65 and pay for their own insurance or had to have Medicare.


Amen

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Jul 9, 2018 17:47:33   #
son of witless
 
rumitoid wrote:
I’ve always said no political philosophy has a monopoly on good ideas. So I was never willing to call myself liberal. Or conservative. I liked the idea of weighing the facts and thinking a thing through for myself. I was naive.

“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.”— Ronald Reagan

Now I know how the Gipper felt.

Once upon a time, you see, I thought I was a little bit conservative. Mind you, I could never side with the right on social-justice matters like the treatment of L***Q Americans, African Americans and women, where they have always been irredeemably wrong. But I did agree with them on the importance of fathers and on the need for self-reliance, a strong military and foreign-policy realism. While I support government regulation of business, consumer standards and the environment, I was even willing to listen to conservative complaints about excessive red tape.
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Thing is, I still hold more or less the same views, but I’m nobody’s idea of a conservative. I didn’t change, but the definition of conservative did. And that forces a realization:

With apologies to John F. Kennedy, Ich bin ein liberal.

That will, I know, bring howls of derision from conservatives. They’ll see it as a portentous announcement of a self-evident t***h — like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar announcing that he is tall.

I get the joke, but the joke makes my point.

We live in a starkly bipolar political world. One is red or one is blue, one is right or one is left. But I’ve always resisted the idea that I had to choose a team and line up behind its talking points. I’ve always said no political philosophy has a monopoly on good ideas.

So I was never willing to call myself liberal. Or conservative. I liked the idea of weighing the facts and thinking a thing through for myself.

I was naive, though. While I was holding out on a lonely island of principle, the middle space between the extremes shrank to nothing. Political identity became actual identity, and one was required to choose sides, like a kid in the slums forced to choose between rival street gangs, with conscientious objection not an option.

And the choice isn’t really a choice at all, because what used to be conservatism no longer is. When’s the last time you heard the right talk about the kinds of things — fatherhood, clear-eyed foreign policy — that once helped define it?

No, these days, being “conservative” means being angry and fearful at the loss of white prerogative. It means to embrace — or at the very least, tolerate, which is functionally the same thing — a new and brazen strain of w***e s*******y. It means to be dismissive and destructive of the norms of democratic governance. It means to willingly accept nonstop lies, intellectual vacuity and naked incompetence and pretend they are signs of stable genius. It means to be wholly in thrall to the Cult of Trump.

Small wonder GOP heavyweights like columnists George F. Will and Max Boot and campaign strategist Steve Schmidt have disavowed their party out of devotion to what conservatism used to be. Their moral courage makes neon obvious most Republicans’ lack thereof.

That said, one wonders if it will not turn out that these worthies are simply holding out on their own lonely island of principle, if conservatism’s headlong march toward f*****m will not make them the ones who seem naive 20 years down the line. But that’s their problem.

This column is about my problem, which I guess I’ve solved, though not without some regret for the days when I felt free to walk between political extremes and not declare myself. But in 2018, that’s an unaffordable luxury. In 2018, one of those extremes represents a danger as clear and present as any foreign adversary.

So yes, I am a liberal. Because I have, literally, no alternative.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/i-have-no-choice-i-am-a-liberal/
I’ve always said no political philosophy has a mon... (show quote)


" if conservatism’s headlong march toward f*****m will not make them the ones who seem naive 20 years down the line. But that’s their problem "
That line says it all. This self righteous LIBERAL must say that Conservatives are F*****ts. That is how mindless Progressiveness is justified. If the other guy is a N**i, then pretty much anything your side does is okay.

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Jul 9, 2018 20:45:46   #
teabag09
 
NANCY POLOSI!!! Mike
rumitoid wrote:
That is totally absurd, "MS13 are the good guys" to Liberals. Where did you get that craziness, Infowars?

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Jul 9, 2018 20:46:52   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
What Pelosi said
Pelosi clearly chose the interpretation of Trump’s words at the roundtable that was least favorable to Trump. But that doesn’t mean she was embracing violent gang members.

At a May 17 press conference, the day after Trump’s "animals" comment, Pelosi said "calling people animals is not a good thing" and defended "undocumented immigrants." She did not mention MS-13 gang members.

Pelosi said "we're all God's children" and spoke about "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth."

"And so when the president of the United States says about undocumented immigrants, ‘These aren't people. These are animals,’ you have to wonder, does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person? ‘These are not people. These are animals.’ The president of the United States," Pelosi said.

White House spokesman Steven Cheung said in an emailed statement, "Pelosi either is peddling an out-of-context quote that mainstream media outlets have corrected or retracted (AP and CNN), or defending MS-13 gang members whose motto is rape, control, and k**l."

The White House said the "animals" term is language Trump has used before when talking about MS-13 gang members.

Still, Pelosi did not defend MS-13 gang members or come out in their favor, as Trump claimed. She centered her comments on "undocumented immigrants" and rebuked using the word "animals" to refer to people.




http://www.politifact.com/t***h-o-meter/statements/2018/may/24/donald-trump/donald-trumps-false-claim-nancy-pelosi-came-out-fa/

Our ruling
Trump said Pelosi "came out in favor of MS-13."

Trump’s claim is based on Pelosi’s criticism of Trump for using the word "animals" during an immigration meeting with California officials. Trump used that term after a sheriff spoke about MS-13 gang members.

A day after Trump’s comment, Pelosi said "calling people animals is not a good thing" and defended "undocumented immigrants." Pelosi did not mention MS-13 gang members in her comments.

While Trump blasted media reports and others for missing the context of his remarks, he did just that with Pelosi’s comment. We rate it False.

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What Pelosi said br Pelosi clearly chose the inter... (show quote)


She referenced Trump's statement when he spoke of MS13 gang's high rate of violence and murder and said, "‘These aren’t people, these are animals,’". He did NOT say immigrants, or even i*****l i*******ts were animals. Nancy Pelosi referenced that statement when she said, "We believe, some of us that are attracted to the political arena, to government and public service, that we’re all God’s children. There’s a spark of divinity in every person on earth and that we all have to recognize that. As we respect the dignity and worth of every person. And as we recognize our responsibilities with that spark of divinity within us.". She then followed up by trying to claim Trump was talking about immigrants. But this was clearly not even close to the case. His statement of them being animals was sandwiched between two sentences where he clearly stated what was happening with MS13.

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Jul 9, 2018 20:46:58   #
teabag09
 
You can still be wrong about almost everything you utter. Mike
rumitoid wrote:
Not a drunk? Okay. Is this progress? Maybe. But I am male. Have been for seventy plus years. Married for twenty years...to a female. Two grandkids. Can I still be a Liberal?

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Jul 9, 2018 21:44:08   #
teabag09
 
Floyd, then let them EARN their way into the system. The folks on your side want to GIVE them a way into the system so your side can have their v**es. I call BS on that and you. You need to rethink the bubble because you're in it and there is so much fog within that you can't see anything.

Let me ask you something. You are constantly being rebuked, do you for one second think that you may be wrong, do you ever thing you should rethink you opinions? Have you ever heard about teach a man to fish...? How much do you contribute to the down trodden, how much do you volunteer in your community, how many elderly rides do you give? Mr. Brown, no need to answer because I (we) know the answers. As Maggie said, Liberals are really good until they run out of other peoples money. You sir are a fraud!!! Mike
Floyd Brown wrote:
I think you include me in the wide view of what you feel about liberals.
There are people classed as liberals that just fall in to the group of people left out of the system.
As a liberal I feel more people need to be drawn into being an active participant in the system.
Where they can be a productive part in doing what needs doing.
While being rewarded fairly for their input.
Sharing in the burdens of the system.

So I say rethink the bubble issue.

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Jul 9, 2018 23:17:45   #
plainlogic
 
rumitoid wrote:
Your POV of us, not the reality. You demonize us generally. There is a spectrum of Liberals, like Conservatives. Yes, you have defined a fringe group of Liberals, as much as seeing Conservatives as White Nationalists and Neo-N**is. Open your eyes!



Tell everyone what liberals represent, the ones you see on the news, the ones who follow conservatives for harassment purposes, the ones who are representatives in our Government. like Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, etc. The push back crowd. You do know what "talk comes cheap" means right?

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Jul 9, 2018 23:26:18   #
plainlogic
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
no prop, You are correct. There is a broad spectrum of ideas in the Republican party. The problem is that many American n**is and people of their ilk have been drawn to Trump. Ever since Trump declared that there are good people on both sides, he has had their full support. I have heard criticism coming from the n**is that are angry that Trump gave his daughter to a Jew, as if he had a choice in the matter. The t***h is that Trump has done everything he could attract the right wing crazies to his base, and he has.
no prop, You are correct. There is a broad spectru... (show quote)



Well Salt, the Demorats started all this, they, Demorats, lost all composure and have shown their true colors since Hillary r****d the campaign and still lost. The liberals, like your self, must defend the turpitude the whole of the liberal base and Demorats are doing, the liberal biased media is your friend and compatriots in this turpitude they continue with.

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Jul 9, 2018 23:46:22   #
plainlogic
 
bmac32 wrote:
Up until the end of Carter I was democratic, not liberal but democratic and I didn't switch parties the democratic party left me now they have really left me. Today MS13 are the good guys, really, it's now OK to hassle someone how might be going out to eat or attend a movie. Common sense has left the party completely. They've always wanted more citizens but legal and not with more rights than people already here.



You thought LBJ's Great society was a great thing? Opening the Social Security locked box?

Today, the federal government automatically puts all of the money that should be set aside for the Social Security Trust Fund into the General Fund. Raiding the Social Security Trust Fund was a precedent set in 1968 by another progressive president, Lyndon B. Johnson, to help pay for the Vietnam War. To date, the federal government has borrowed over $2 trillion from the Social Security Trust Fund to spend on other programs.
Contrary to what many Americans believe and what progressives love to say, there is no money in the Trust Fund to pay future benefits. Furthermore, the fundamentally flawed program faces a severe demographic crisis as members of the baby boom generation begin to retire. The mess we face with Social Security, a program so many are now dependent on, is yet another example of a failed progressive policy, where the potential for unintended consequences was ignored at the program's inception.

The fraud, the Demorats have perpetrated is unraveling, they can't stop it. All the lies and concealments the do, opens more of the criminality they have and are doing now!

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