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Jul 7, 2018 03:40:34   #
eden
 
proud republican wrote:
BS...If they arrive at POE, they wont be separated from their children!!!


There was an extended report on this on the PBS Newshour this evening. I’m sure PBS folk have their personal point of view but as a Network they are not known for their partisan hysteria. Given the lies and prevarications coming from this President you can tell where my credibility lies.

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Jul 7, 2018 03:44:02   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
eden wrote:
There was an extended report on this on the PBS Newshour this evening. I’m sure PBS folk have their personal point of view but as a Network they are not known for their partisan hysteria. Given the lies and prevarications coming from this President you can tell where my credibility lies.


I believe ICE more then your PBS network..And ICE says that if you use POE,you cant be turned away or arrested....

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Jul 7, 2018 15:06:20   #
debeda
 
eden wrote:
Is arriving at a legal border checkpoint and requesting asylum a crime? There have been substantial and presumably credible reports of asylum seekers being instantly separated from children at the checkpoints, put in chains and told they will be deported and their children kept in the US and put up for adoption.
It seems that applying ankle bracelets Has a high (over 90%) rate of appearance at court appearances. That there are individuals who are trying to game our i*********n l*ws for illicit or undeserving reasons is obvious but they can and should be weeded out and deported.
Ankle bracelet or harsh incarceration is a choice for the others however. The world is watching and noting the crueler choice.
Is arriving at a legal border checkpoint and reque... (show quote)


Why would you presume these reports are credible?

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Jul 7, 2018 18:30:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
proud republican wrote:
You want action???Be careful what you wish for Tgards......There is so much we Conservatives can take before we take action too...And let me warn you...Yous wont like it at all!!!




Such total BS....

You right wingers have been hawking the "we are the baddest of America" BS for years, generations..

All you can do is pretend and wish that you could be the bad ass you think is needed to keep the orange peel happy..

what sort of action do you Yo Yos think you would take??

Shot the guy next door?? rush the local cop shop??

We have a system in this nation and the alt right is wishing to change the order into disorder and come out with a system that gives them what they want.. and heck with everyone else..

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Jul 7, 2018 18:34:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Esley wrote:
How can you be so stupid. When a woman goes to jail for a crime, she does not take her children with her.


How can you be so stupid..

You need a quick revue of I*********n l*w.. You do know that it is not the same as we abide by every day..

It is both harsher and more forgiving in differing laws.. to know them requires the lawyers and judges that are now being increased in spite of the orange dip sticks protest and whining..



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Jul 7, 2018 18:40:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
I*****l i*********n has dropped 18% since zero tolerance went into effect.

1.3 million American born children are separated from their parents for a variety of reasons--crime, drug abuse, child abuse, orphaned, runaways, homelessness, kidnapping, and so on.

Liberal regressives, particularly militant feminists, have always been hostile to the traditional nuclear family, many democrats have made it clear that they believe "children belong to the collective, and the state is the ultimate manifestation of the collective will.

Michelle Obama said, "the choice in this e******n is about who will have the power to shape our children for the next four years of their lives." Implying that the state should determine a child's future, not the parents. Hillary Clinton concurred.

MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry in 2013 said on live TV, “We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, kids belong to whole communities”.

Black L***s M****r vowed to destroy the nuclear family and replace it with communitarian-style collective parenting.

School teachers in Las Vegas, Nev., forced students to pledge allegiance to a huge, projected image of Barack Obama instead of the U.S. f**g.

The a******n industry, the democrat's Holy Grail, is the number one k**ler of families, it is especially devastating to the African Americans.

There's more, much more.

So, stow the hypocritical righteous indignation about 2000 illegal children being TEMPORARILY separated from their parents.
I*****l i*********n has dropped 18% since zero tol... (show quote)




Pretty darn long "temporary" for these kids.. I*****l i*********n has trended down for 20 years. Yes whenever action is increased those planning to come over delay the move, that is sorta natural..

some of you items need the full conversation or the comments loose the context and do not mean what they meant when uttered.



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Jul 7, 2018 18:44:27   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
proud republican wrote:
They started this separation during Clinton,Bush and Obama reign of terror...How many times did you Demonrats demonstrated back then???You dont give a rats ass about these kids....Its all about President Trump and your h**e for him!!!...Get real,man!!!




Get real republican....

those three Presidents you name did indeed have to deal with these problems..

When they found out what the results would be, they used other options.. only the orange trump used zero tolerance and separation as a policy.. they are ruthless ideas fitting a demagogue..



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Jul 7, 2018 18:47:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EconomistDon wrote:
If it is so important to flee her country, why not go through a LEGAL check point?????? She can legally request asylum there. Why do they sneak across the border like criminals? There are plenty of legal checkpoints; one on most roads across the border. There is no excuse for not finding one.




Don,

It seems that many of these people do not get any information at all on the right way to apply..

A Coyote gives them BS and misinformation to put the fear in them and believe that only he can help them..

So they do what the think they must do, not what they should be doing because no one has told them the correct way..

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Jul 7, 2018 19:38:30   #
maryjane
 
EconomistDon wrote:
If it is so important to flee her country, why not go through a LEGAL check point?????? She can legally request asylum there. Why do they sneak across the border like criminals? There are plenty of legal checkpoints; one on most roads across the border. There is no excuse for not finding one.


Gangs is simply NOT an acceptable reason for granting asylum. Every countty has gangs including our own. Most of the reasons given for asylum accepted by the USA today are wrong, against our own stated policy, and often simply lies. It is a given, today, that these foreigners lie to fool weak, foolish, easily manipulated America, so why would anyone simply take their word for anything? Too many nations are engaged in some type of fighting, so we simply CANNOT take in their people & grant asylum for thst reason. Too many nations are corrupt, badly run, and have many people living in poverty, but we simply cannot take in these people for those reasons. To take in millions of strangers because they live in poverty or some type of internal war is just not possible; there are too many of them. But, I always wonder, since in most cases these people have lived in these circumstances for generations, why do they not band together and demand better; why instead are they now, all of a sudden, running away from their homes in mass. Is it because they are simply cowards with no real love or loyalty to their homelands or is it simply that now they can run to a rich nation and steal everything they have without consequences because the liberals all over the world help them? Neither the USA, nor any country can "fix" those poor, corrupt nations or their citizens. But, we can destroy ourselves and all we have and stand for by allowing our own nation to be overrun by people having few commonalities with us, no desire to become one of us, and no intention of doing anything but getting (thievery) everything they can for free. Americans must put our natural compassion aside and understand that these people do not care one bit about us or our country. They don't give a thought to the tremendous costs they are to us or the harm they do to our country. They are here for their own selfish personal gains, no other reason. And when our country fails and falls and can't support them, they will simply take everything they've managed to steal and go back home. They certainly won't be helping America or Americans.

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Jul 7, 2018 19:52:47   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
maryjane wrote:
Gangs is simply NOT an acceptable reason for granting asylum. Every countty has gangs including our own. Most of the reasons given for asylum accepted by the USA today are wrong, against our own stated policy, and often simply lies. It is a given, today, that these foreigners lie to fool weak, foolish, easily manipulated America, so why would anyone simply take their word for anything? Too many nations are engaged in some type of fighting, so we simply CANNOT take in their people & grant asylum for thst reason. Too many nations are corrupt, badly run, and have many people living in poverty, but we simply cannot take in these people for those reasons. To take in millions of strangers because they live in poverty or some type of internal war is just not possible; there are too many of them. But, I always wonder, since in most cases these people have lived in these circumstances for generations, why do they not band together and demand better; why instead are they now, all of a sudden, running away from their homes in mass. Is it because they are simply cowards with no real love or loyalty to their homelands or is it simply that now they can run to a rich nation and steal everything they have without consequences because the liberals all over the world help them? Neither the USA, nor any country can "fix" those poor, corrupt nations or their citizens. But, we can destroy ourselves and all we have and stand for by allowing our own nation to be overrun by people having few commonalities with us, no desire to become one of us, and no intention of doing anything but getting (thievery) everything they can for free. Americans must put our natural compassion aside and understand that these people do not care one bit about us or our country. They don't give a thought to the tremendous costs they are to us or the harm they do to our country. They are here for their own selfish personal gains, no other reason. And when our country fails and falls and can't support them, they will simply take everything they've managed to steal and go back home. They certainly won't be helping America or Americans.
Gangs is simply NOT an acceptable reason for grant... (show quote)




aNot sure how to reply to your comments mary..

the world or at least the 3rd world is not as you see it..

Your comments make me visualize a scuffle down at the corner and mom grabs the kids and runs.

some of these people can not even go out of the house for food. they face death for stepping into a street..

while it is gangs that k**l them the reality is as much warfare as any of the dozens of countries now destroying themselves..

They do not have the information to follow the rules we have. No one has told them the rules..

Letting them die because they fear returning to what was home is not anything that I would want to force on them..

Toss them back?? the can not go home.. die in the streets of the dirt of the desert...

Bad choice which ever way the go..

Band together??? All be murdered in the streets..

No better then if they lived under Kim...

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Jul 7, 2018 22:25:02   #
jeff smith
 
permafrost wrote:
Get real republican....

those three Presidents you name did indeed have to deal with these problems..

When they found out what the results would be, they used other options.. only the orange trump used zero tolerance and separation as a policy.. they are ruthless ideas fitting a demagogue..


well then lets go to all the prisons in this country and let every man and woman who are locked up in prison go home sense there is a stress and emotional destress on those their children . you commit a crime you get locked up . does not matter if you commit a crime as an American or if you are a migrant stealing your way across the boarder . crime is crime .

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Jul 8, 2018 00:05:10   #
EconomistDon
 
eden wrote:
Is arriving at a legal border checkpoint and requesting asylum a crime? There have been substantial and presumably credible reports of asylum seekers being instantly separated from children at the checkpoints, put in chains and told they will be deported and their children kept in the US and put up for adoption.
It seems that applying ankle bracelets Has a high (over 90%) rate of appearance at court appearances. That there are individuals who are trying to game our i*********n l*ws for illicit or undeserving reasons is obvious but they can and should be weeded out and deported.
Ankle bracelet or harsh incarceration is a choice for the others however. The world is watching and noting the crueler choice.
Is arriving at a legal border checkpoint and reque... (show quote)


Why are you pushing f**e news Eden? Show us the proof from a credible source, not a radical left-wing sight that h**es Trump.

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Jul 8, 2018 00:10:06   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
permafrost wrote:
Get real republican....

those three Presidents you name did indeed have to deal with these problems..

When they found out what the results would be, they used other options.. only the orange trump used zero tolerance and separation as a policy.. they are ruthless ideas fitting a demagogue..


These kids were still locked up in cages in 2014,under your God Obama...

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Jul 8, 2018 00:27:00   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
Esley wrote:
How can you be so stupid. When a woman goes to jail for a crime, she does not take her children with her.


There is no limit to the depth and degree of the whacko l*****ts' stupidity. This isn't a matter of the ignorant l*****ts' caring for the well being of mothers or children, it's just another l*****t bulls**t way to aggravate POTUS Trump.

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Jul 8, 2018 00:34:55   #
emarine
 




review your link & consider changing your statement Proud buddy...

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