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Apr 9, 2014 18:17:05   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Last week it was published that GM had known about a safety defect in it's vehicles for 18 months and took no action . Thirteen people died. The TSB knew about the allegations but did nothing. GM recalled 1.5 million vehicles last week after the heat was brought by the media, not by the TSB. Why is it that GM gets a pass (a union shop) when Toyota gets fined 23 billion (a nonunion shop). Is it because the Obama and Holder view nonunion shops as antidemocrat and they want to take them down while giving a pass o the demorat unions that we all know v**e 100% demorat. This country is completely corrupted by the demorat administration with Holder being the biggest threat to morality the world has ever known.

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Apr 9, 2014 18:35:16   #
docwill
 
Yep..

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Apr 9, 2014 19:05:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Billhuggins wrote:
Last week it was published that GM had known about a safety defect in it's vehicles for 18 months and took no action . Thirteen people died. The TSB knew about the allegations but did nothing. GM recalled 1.5 million vehicles last week after the heat was brought by the media, not by the TSB. Why is it that GM gets a pass (a union shop) when Toyota gets fined 23 billion (a nonunion shop). Is it because the Obama and Holder view nonunion shops as antidemocrat and they want to take them down while giving a pass o the demorat unions that we all know v**e 100% demorat. This country is completely corrupted by the demorat administration with Holder being the biggest threat to morality the world has ever known.
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Bill, I think you best check that 23 billion figure.

Do you think that GM is an American biz, and Toyota is Asian may be a factor? Only a thought.

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Apr 9, 2014 19:05:34   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Pointed this out and not one reply from a liberal, they know it's going on and could care less. We have the most corrupt government we're ever had and rather than directed at others it's directed at the American people.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2014/03/31/safety-agency-says-gm-had-critical-clue-that-would-have-helped-spot-deadly-defect/

http://wot.motortrend.com/1403_toyota_fined_1_2_billion_for_2009_2010_unintended_acceleration.html

My issue is with the NHTSA, simple crooks and it could be your life.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12640664/1/is-this-bad-news-gm-gets-maximum-fine.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed

The government fails to protect the average citizen but protects the unions very well.


Billhuggins wrote:
Last week it was published that GM had known about a safety defect in it's vehicles for 18 months and took no action . Thirteen people died. The TSB knew about the allegations but did nothing. GM recalled 1.5 million vehicles last week after the heat was brought by the media, not by the TSB. Why is it that GM gets a pass (a union shop) when Toyota gets fined 23 billion (a nonunion shop). Is it because the Obama and Holder view nonunion shops as antidemocrat and they want to take them down while giving a pass o the demorat unions that we all know v**e 100% demorat. This country is completely corrupted by the demorat administration with Holder being the biggest threat to morality the world has ever known.
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Apr 9, 2014 20:14:43   #
3jack
 
Billhuggins wrote:
Last week it was published that GM had known about a safety defect in it's vehicles for 18 months and took no action . Thirteen people died. The TSB knew about the allegations but did nothing. GM recalled 1.5 million vehicles last week after the heat was brought by the media, not by the TSB. Why is it that GM gets a pass (a union shop) when Toyota gets fined 23 billion (a nonunion shop). Is it because the Obama and Holder view nonunion shops as antidemocrat and they want to take them down while giving a pass o the demorat unions that we all know v**e 100% demorat. This country is completely corrupted by the demorat administration with Holder being the biggest threat to morality the world has ever known.
Last week it was published that GM had known about... (show quote)



This issue has nothing to do with union and non-union auto companies. I do not understand why people of your ilk insists on embellishing issues and out right telling falsehoods to get a point across. The fine to Toyota was $1.2 Billion, and the GM investigation has not been concluded....so what's the point of your post?

These are the facts....BS free facts.

"DETROIT — General Motors, beware.

Wednesday’s announcement that Toyota will pay $1.2 billion to avoid criminal prosecution for hiding information in a recall case could be a glimpse into your future. It’s also a warning to anyone selling cars in the U.S.: Although the federal government’s road-safety watchdog doesn’t have big fangs, the Justice Department does.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s maximum fine for hiding information is $35 million, a pittance to automakers. But the Justice Department can reach deeper into your wallet and hurt your reputation with damning public statements.

Shortly after the announcement, Attorney General Eric Holder issued an apparent warning to GM and other automakers, saying the Toyota deal was “not necessarily the only time we will use this approach.”

General Motors Co., which is facing a federal criminal probe over delays in recalling small cars with a deadly ignition switch problem, has many parallels to the Toyota case.

Toyota got into trouble for withholding information from NHTSA about floor mats that can trap gas pedals and make cars accelerate wildly, and for concealing a problem with sticky gas pedals that can cause unwanted acceleration. According to court records, the company recalled some models for the floor mats while knowing that others had the same problem.

At GM, the company has admitted knowing about the ignition-switch problem for more than a decade, yet it failed to recall 1.6 million small cars until last month. During the wait, at least a dozen people died in crashes because the faulty switches moved out of the run position, disabling power steering and brakes. Air bags also didn’t inflate.

“We now see what GM may be facing,” said Peter Henning, a law professor at Wayne State University in Detroit and a former Justice Department prosecutor. “If you have comparable conduct inside the company, the government is going to come down hard.”

The Toyota payment changes the model for regulating auto safety in the U.S. Before Wednesday, safety issues had been almost the exclusive domain of NHTSA. Now, the government has raised the stakes with criminal actions, Henning said.

“GM has to be concerned what kind of a hit there is going to be to the bottom line,” said Henning, who predicted that GM’s penalty could rise toward $2 billion because its recall delays lasted longer than Toyota’s.

The Toyota penalty is a “game changer” that will force automakers to take notice, said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety. “Until today, automakers faced insignificant fines and no criminal penalties,” he said.

Even with a $1.2 billion penalty, the bigger issue for both GM and Toyota is damage to reputations."

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Apr 9, 2014 20:15:33   #
bahmer
 
bmac32 wrote:
Pointed this out and not one reply from a liberal, they know it's going on and could care less. We have the most corrupt government we're ever had and rather than directed at others it's directed at the American people.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2014/03/31/safety-agency-says-gm-had-critical-clue-that-would-have-helped-spot-deadly-defect/

http://wot.motortrend.com/1403_toyota_fined_1_2_billion_for_2009_2010_unintended_acceleration.html



My issue is with the NHTSA, simple crooks and it could be your life.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/12640664/1/is-this-bad-news-gm-gets-maximum-fine.html?cm_ven=RSSFeed

The government fails to protect the average citizen but protects the unions very well.
Pointed this out and not one reply from a liberal,... (show quote)


So it is 1.2 billion for Toyota and $7,000 a day for GM. So lets see 7,000 goes into 12,000,000,000 about how many times. Oh about 1,714,285.7 days or about 32,967 years. Sure seems far to me. (not)

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Apr 10, 2014 08:18:56   #
stan3186
 
bahmer wrote:
So it is 1.2 billion for Toyota and $7,000 a day for GM. So lets see 7,000 goes into 12,000,000,000 about how many times. Oh about 1,714,285.7 days or about 32,967 years. Sure seems far to me. (not)


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Apr 10, 2014 09:32:57   #
Buck Loc: Valparaiso,IN
 
Billhuggins wrote:
Last week it was published that GM had known about a safety defect in it's vehicles for 18 months and took no action . Thirteen people died. The TSB knew about the allegations but did nothing. GM recalled 1.5 million vehicles last week after the heat was brought by the media, not by the TSB. Why is it that GM gets a pass (a union shop) when Toyota gets fined 23 billion (a nonunion shop). Is it because the Obama and Holder view nonunion shops as antidemocrat and they want to take them down while giving a pass o the demorat unions that we all know v**e 100% demorat. This country is completely corrupted by the demorat administration with Holder being the biggest threat to morality the world has ever known.
Last week it was published that GM had known about... (show quote)

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Apr 10, 2014 12:20:49   #
Comment Loc: California
 
bahmer wrote:
So it is 1.2 billion for Toyota and $7,000 a day for GM. So lets see 7,000 goes into 12,000,000,000 about how many times. Oh about 1,714,285.7 days or about 32,967 years. Sure seems far to me. (not)


I know the Toyota fine was bigger than real but, I wanted to get the attention of the liberal trolls. My point was to illustrate how corrupt Eric Holder and the Obuma Adm. is. New corrupted stuff comes out almost daily about just how corrupt democrats are and RATS they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Apr 10, 2014 12:21:33   #
Comment Loc: California
 
bahmer wrote:
So it is 1.2 billion for Toyota and $7,000 a day for GM. So lets see 7,000 goes into 12,000,000,000 about how many times. Oh about 1,714,285.7 days or about 32,967 years. Sure seems far to me. (not)


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Apr 10, 2014 12:28:56   #
Comment Loc: California
 
3jack wrote:
This issue has nothing to do with union and non-union auto companies. I do not understand why people of your ilk insists on embellishing issues and out right telling falsehoods to get a point across. The fine to Toyota was $1.2 Billion, and the GM investigation has not been concluded....so what's the point of your post?

These are the facts....BS free facts.

"DETROIT — General Motors, beware.

Wednesday’s announcement that Toyota will pay $1.2 billion to avoid criminal prosecution for hiding information in a recall case could be a glimpse into your future. It’s also a warning to anyone selling cars in the U.S.: Although the federal government’s road-safety watchdog doesn’t have big fangs, the Justice Department does.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s maximum fine for hiding information is $35 million, a pittance to automakers. But the Justice Department can reach deeper into your wallet and hurt your reputation with damning public statements.

Shortly after the announcement, Attorney General Eric Holder issued an apparent warning to GM and other automakers, saying the Toyota deal was “not necessarily the only time we will use this approach.”

General Motors Co., which is facing a federal criminal probe over delays in recalling small cars with a deadly ignition switch problem, has many parallels to the Toyota case.

Toyota got into trouble for withholding information from NHTSA about floor mats that can trap gas pedals and make cars accelerate wildly, and for concealing a problem with sticky gas pedals that can cause unwanted acceleration. According to court records, the company recalled some models for the floor mats while knowing that others had the same problem.

At GM, the company has admitted knowing about the ignition-switch problem for more than a decade, yet it failed to recall 1.6 million small cars until last month. During the wait, at least a dozen people died in crashes because the faulty switches moved out of the run position, disabling power steering and brakes. Air bags also didn’t inflate.

“We now see what GM may be facing,” said Peter Henning, a law professor at Wayne State University in Detroit and a former Justice Department prosecutor. “If you have comparable conduct inside the company, the government is going to come down hard.”

The Toyota payment changes the model for regulating auto safety in the U.S. Before Wednesday, safety issues had been almost the exclusive domain of NHTSA. Now, the government has raised the stakes with criminal actions, Henning said.

“GM has to be concerned what kind of a hit there is going to be to the bottom line,” said Henning, who predicted that GM’s penalty could rise toward $2 billion because its recall delays lasted longer than Toyota’s.

The Toyota penalty is a “game changer” that will force automakers to take notice, said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety. “Until today, automakers faced insignificant fines and no criminal penalties,” he said.

Even with a $1.2 billion penalty, the bigger issue for both GM and Toyota is damage to reputations."
This issue has nothing to do with union and non-un... (show quote)


You are so full of BS that you blue eyes are brown. You manufacture so much BS your head explodes. GM (Government Motors) was bought with tax payor money and given to the UAW

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Apr 10, 2014 12:31:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Billhuggins wrote:
You are so full of BS that you blue eyes are brown. You manufacture so much BS your head explodes. GM (Government Motors) was bought with tax payor money and given to the UAW


Bill, sometimes you say the dumbest things. When did you last ck on the ownership of GM? give it a shot see what you find.

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Apr 10, 2014 12:34:18   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Billhuggins wrote:
You are so full of BS that you blue eyes are brown. You manufacture so much BS your head explodes. GM (Government Motors) was bought with tax payor money and given to the UAW


You can claim that the TSB was too stupid to recognize the fault but, like all demorats do: they lie. If it weren't for the efforts of a private engineer hired by one of the GM murdered kids this may not have been revealed. I maintain that demorats are just that, RATS.

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Apr 10, 2014 12:35:46   #
Comment Loc: California
 
permafrost wrote:
Bill, sometimes you say the dumbest things. When did you last ck on the ownership of GM? give it a shot see what you find.


I know.

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Apr 10, 2014 12:37:03   #
Comment Loc: California
 
permafrost wrote:
Bill, I think you best check that 23 billion figure.

Do you think that GM is an American biz, and Toyota is Asian may be a factor? Only a thought.


Certainly, a viable issue.

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