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DOJ and FBI requested to give over documents in an ongoing investigation that could possibly aid in covering up Trump collusion/obstruction
Jun 28, 2018 20:12:18   #
rumitoid
 
Separation of powers is there just for this very reason. These particular FISA warrants are a long-settled legitimate use of the DOJ's powers, despite the GOP's bluster. Well before the Steele Dossier, which has steadily been proven as a factual time and event document, Trump associates had already been targeted, including Gates and Flynn and Papadopoulos, oh my! This demand by the GOP is just an attempt to hopefully discredit Mueller's findings, wh**ever they may be that could hurt the president of his staff. There is zero substance to any wrong-doing in the FISA warrants. This is not dissimilar to the B******i hearings, another resounding gong or a clanging cymbal, signifying nothing. (Mixing a little Bible with Shakespeare. Apt!)

The refusal to hand over certain documents by the DOJ or FBI is not contempt of Congress: they have absolutely no right to these documents and their subpoenas for these documents could easily be considered obstruction of Justice. Do you call up a criminal and tell him your areas of investigation prior to a conclusion, give that person a way to erase, audit, or explain what may be found? Absurd--but not to Republicans in Congress.

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Jun 28, 2018 22:31:09   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Separation of powers is there just for this very reason. These particular FISA warrants are a long-settled legitimate use of the DOJ's powers, despite the GOP's bluster. Well before the Steele Dossier, which has steadily been proven as a factual time and event document, Trump associates had already been targeted, including Gates and Flynn and Papadopoulos, oh my! This demand by the GOP is just an attempt to hopefully discredit Mueller's findings, wh**ever they may be that could hurt the president of his staff. There is zero substance to any wrong-doing in the FISA warrants. This is not dissimilar to the B******i hearings, another resounding gong or a clanging cymbal, signifying nothing. (Mixing a little Bible with Shakespeare. Apt!)

The refusal to hand over certain documents by the DOJ or FBI is not contempt of Congress: they have absolutely no right to these documents and their subpoenas for these documents could easily be considered obstruction of Justice. Do you call up a criminal and tell him your areas of investigation prior to a conclusion, give that person a way to erase, audit, or explain what may be found? Absurd--but not to Republicans in Congress.
Separation of powers is there just for this very r... (show quote)


The president, (remember) does have the power to, and now probably will take those documents in 15 days if they are not turned over, as v**ed on by Congress.
Thank you Mr. Jordan, & Thank you Mr. Gowdy.

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Jun 28, 2018 22:45:01   #
rumitoid
 
Weasel wrote:
The president, (remember) does have the power to, and now probably will take those documents in 15 days if they are not turned over, as v**ed on by Congress.
Thank you Mr. Jordan, & Thank you Mr. Gowdy.


Sorry, the president does not have that power.

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Jun 28, 2018 22:57:10   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sorry, the president does not have that power.


Oh contraire, even Don Lemon and every one of his invited experts disagree with you on that. Not to mention the Lawyers on the Ingraham Angle, and the Congress of the United States.
It's all out there.

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Jun 28, 2018 23:08:44   #
rumitoid
 
Weasel wrote:
Oh contraire, even Don Lemon and every one of his invited experts disagree with you on that. Not to mention the Lawyers on the Ingraham Angle, and the Congress of the United States.
It's all out there.


Could you stipulate how and where by sited evidence?

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Jun 28, 2018 23:26:59   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Could you stipulate how and where by sited evidence?


Sorry, I do not do other people's homework for them.
I got caught doing that in the 8th grade, and had hell to pay.
Ever since then I always earned my own keep.
Try it.

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Jun 28, 2018 23:33:05   #
rumitoid
 
Weasel wrote:
Sorry, I do not do other people's homework for them.
I got caught doing that in the 8th grade, and had hell to pay.
Ever since then I always earned my own keep.
Try it.


Lol. Silly. A defense attorney arguing he needs no defense, let the prosecution find it.

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Jun 28, 2018 23:42:54   #
Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Lol. Silly. A defense attorney arguing he needs no defense, let the prosecution find it.


But going through all of my (years) of post, you will see that I have never ever even presented a Link to read. And believe me, I have caught hell for that.
So why should I break, protocol for you?

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Jun 28, 2018 23:47:09   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Good lord. Stupid trolls. The president can declassify just about anything. Especially involving what the oversight committee requests. Plain stupid.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-classified-secrets.html

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Jun 29, 2018 00:04:48   #
rumitoid
 
Weasel wrote:
But going through all of my (years) of post, you will see that I have never ever even presented a Link to read. And believe me, I have caught hell for that.
So why should I break, for you?


Not for me. It is intellectually viability, for you, to produce supporting arguments. Opinions are fine. And there is a place for them, of course. No need for backup. But to make an actual case for what you believe, facts are needed. And that means legitimate sites as collaboration. My next door neighbor said...does not cut it. Sites proven to be factual flawed, like Infowars, will not cut it. If you care nothing about a realistic discussion of a subject, then your present approach is fine.

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Jun 29, 2018 09:04:56   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Even though the Washington Post is a propaganda rag it's probably one of your fondest sources. Why don't you admit you were wrong. One would think you'd be used to it. Probably doc your troll pay I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-trump-did-not-break-the-law-in-talking-classified-details-with-the-russians/2017/05/16/e9efd2cc-3a54-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.84d40c6d11f0



rumitoid wrote:
Not for me. It is intellectually viability, for you, to produce supporting arguments. Opinions are fine. And there is a place for them, of course. No need for backup. But to make an actual case for what you believe, facts are needed. And that means legitimate sites as collaboration. My next door neighbor said...does not cut it. Sites proven to be factual flawed, like Infowars, will not cut it. If you care nothing about a realistic discussion of a subject, then your present approach is fine.

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Jul 1, 2018 02:39:23   #
rumitoid
 
JFlorio wrote:
Even though the Washington Post is a propaganda rag it's probably one of your fondest sources. Why don't you admit you were wrong. One would think you'd be used to it. Probably doc your troll pay I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-trump-did-not-break-the-law-in-talking-classified-details-with-the-russians/2017/05/16/e9efd2cc-3a54-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.84d40c6d11f0


Please be more specific. How am I wrong? Besides that, you twerp clone of Trump, the reputation of the Washington Post is exemplary over decades, except when it is honest about the president. Make your case, JFlorio.

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Jul 1, 2018 08:28:18   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
rumitoid wrote:
Please be more specific. How am I wrong? Besides that, you twerp clone of Trump, the reputation of the Washington Post is exemplary over decades, except when it is honest about the president. Make your case, JFlorio.


LOL. Not very bright are you troll? Read the article I posted from the exemplary Washington Post. It makes the case.

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