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Could Somebody on this site tell me the definition of Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
Jun 22, 2018 20:32:42   #
rick1958
 
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.

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Jun 22, 2018 20:35:27   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.


Not sure,but im thinking closed borders, no chain migration,no migration lottery....

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Jun 22, 2018 21:40:36   #
schwabbie28
 
Any time you see the word “comprehensive” in this usage, it is code for amnesty for all i*****l a***ns already in the U.S.
Otherwise, the words “immigration reforms” used in this context could mean any of a number of proposals for changing the broken immigration system, possibly including increased enforcement, electronic monitoring of those attempting to come in, E-Verify, etc., etc.

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Jun 22, 2018 22:12:11   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.

If you pay attention, since Trump's become president the words "comprehensive" and "constitutional crisis" come up a lot in the l*****t talking points.

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Jun 23, 2018 00:18:48   #
maryjane
 
rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.


I would define it as a close look at and reforming, to exemplify the best interests of the US and its citizens for today and the future, every single aspect of immigration, from anchor baby citizenship to protected birders to foreign work VISAs to limited & strict definitions of refuge and asylum to the long term impact on this nation of massive immigration both legal and illegal to the long term impact when newcomers refuse to become American and Cleve to their countries and ways to the vast importance of national identity and common language to the nation's future health, etc. EVERYTHING, every aspect of our nation today and tomorrow, every aspect of our citizen's daily well being and long term success is impacted by millions of new nonassimilating foreigners with few, or no, commonalities with Americans and no desire to become American arriving in our nation EVERY YEAR. It is too much!!! The result is great harm, not benefit.

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Jun 23, 2018 00:42:38   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
schwabbie28 wrote:
Any time you see the word “comprehensive” in this usage, it is code for amnesty for all i*****l a***ns already in the U.S.
Otherwise, the words “immigration reforms” used in this context could mean any of a number of proposals for changing the broken immigration system, possibly including increased enforcement, electronic monitoring of those attempting to come in, E-Verify, etc., etc.


Yes! The new and improved "immigration reforms"need to include all of those things, plus a few carefully considered others...

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Jun 23, 2018 02:27:11   #
Betta
 
It means adding pork to the mix, such as adding the study of cow farts to immigration reform. Actually, immigration reform is not needed. The laws already on the books need to be enforced.


rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.

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Jun 23, 2018 05:11:14   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.


"Comprehensive" is politicianspeak for amnesty now, promise some sort of enforcement at at time and place as yet to be determined. Since the mid eighties, we have had seven different amnesties, all with promises of border enforcement. As of now, the only thing delivered has been the amnesties. No more. Raise hell with your representatives and tell them no more amnesty. Keep some of the enforcement promises. One would be a good start. That's one more than they have kept.
In exchange for these seven amnesties we have been promised an end to birth citizenship for the children of wetbacks, an end to chain migration, E Verify, and no more amnesties. So far, all we have gotten is the amnesties.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:05:18   #
rick1958
 
Thank you all for your response to my question. It reinforces what I already knew to be true - that comprehensive immigration reform is just politicianspeak for amnesty for all and open borders to further destroy this country. God bless President Trump for trying to do something about this but he is fighting a battle against almost all of DC both republican and democrat. L

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Jun 23, 2018 18:29:46   #
schwabbie28
 
You conclusion stated above is correct.

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Jun 24, 2018 16:37:38   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
rick1958 wrote:
I constantly hear that all we need to fix all of our immigration problems is "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" but nobody especially politicians ever define what it entails. All I want is a clear idea of what this nebulous thing is.


com - pre - hen - sive: complete, including all "nearly" all elements or aspects of something. Did you catch the word nearly?

In recent years we have repeatedly heard, "i*********n l*ws are broken". That claim is both correct and not correct. Regardless, "It's" not going to get fixed until the politics are removed from it. And that is why you, me, the world, hear "comprehensive".

Remember the "nearly" part? A comprehensive I*********n L*w, a seemingly brand-new rewrite will give us citizens all we need plus the nearly part. In other words; we the public see too much of what is involved with immigration hindering how that pie gets divided amongst our elected. I am not kidding here. That's a headache and that why DC NEEDS a comprehensive rewrite.

Allow me to preference my close; *I know each of you will call me unrealistic even ignorant, so be it*. You're entitled to your position. Given the historically proven mantra, everybody gains when government gets out of the way and the free market takes the lead, I suggest:

The agency we know as the Border Patrol, to include all its monikers, should be reduced to nothing more than an Overseer of border activities. All federal real estate holdings associated with ports of entry, detention facilities, education & medical, turnstiles, roadways & tolls, all of it, should be sold to the private sector. Literally, allow the free market to price not only the commodities freight fees but also the cost of and to an individual immigrant.

Allow the corporate headh****rs' office space (at FMV) in every embassy and begin the process of immigrating at the point of obvious origin. FEE-BASED IMMIGRATION! Are you educated? If not will you be attending a university in the US? If so, the cost of education is then guaranteed by the prospect's employer and deducted or otherwise accounted for from wages earned alleviating the use/abuse of tax dollars.

Before you spit on this idea consider; 1) UNV @ Reno, Asian medical student population is supported by their respective country of origin as is the case with Arab students of medicine USI, Carbondale and when a graduate takes employment here rather than return home the employer reimburses the home country.

2) Once upon a time Mexican farmers and laborers would present themselves at the ports or other preassigned addresses (Western & Alameda Los Angeles, Calexico/Mexicali, Nogales, Anthony, Loreado, Brownsville, etc.) as the US harvest was coming in. Wages, housing and YES vocational education that included agronomy, specialty equipment maintenance, logistics, was all understood by and between the parties involved. Hell, the border patrol would wave at the buses, trucks, and caravans as they went north and again at seasons end as nearly everyone returned home. In all honesty, it was not until Chavez and his band of socialist supporters showed up did any of the border states have a serious problem directly resulting in the division of respectful labor/management relations.

3) With e-verify, internet access being what it is, any industry could and should be locating/qualifying & hiring prior to migration. Each industry's web page might describe current and upcoming opportunities. Interested? Register and qualify for an interview in our embassy office. (a creative employer could cripple the coyote's business)

4) There are 10s of thousands of individuals who have life-long experiences with border logistics and half as many corporations all qualified to create and lead such a free market operation. For those of you who may not be familiar with commercial real estate financing take 15 minutes and research 'hedge-funds'. If President Trump said on Monday, "I want $100 mm by Friday for all border assets" the hedge-funds would have it completed by Wednesday. (or wh**ever a price named) By the end of the 1st year, all the bumps would be smoothed and by the 10th anniversary, we wouldn't remember the names of all the politicians and pundits that screamed foul.

However, because there is no "nearly" in this idea it would not qualify as a comprehensive immigration plan. Thanks for listening

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Jun 24, 2018 17:29:29   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
king hall wrote:
com - pre - hen - sive: complete, including all "nearly" all elements or aspects of something. Did you catch the word nearly?

In recent years we have repeatedly heard, "i*********n l*ws are broken". That claim is both correct and not correct. Regardless, "It's" not going to get fixed until the politics are removed from it. And that is why you, me, the world, hear "comprehensive".

Remember the "nearly" part? A comprehensive I*********n L*w, a seemingly brand-new rewrite will give us citizens all we need plus the nearly part. In other words; we the public see too much of what is involved with immigration hindering how that pie gets divided amongst our elected. I am not kidding here. That's a headache and that why DC NEEDS a comprehensive rewrite.

Allow me to preference my close; *I know each of you will call me unrealistic even ignorant, so be it*. You're entitled to your position. Given the historically proven mantra, everybody gains when government gets out of the way and the free market takes the lead, I suggest:

The agency we know as the Border Patrol, to include all its monikers, should be reduced to nothing more than an Overseer of border activities. All federal real estate holdings associated with ports of entry, detention facilities, education & medical, turnstiles, roadways & tolls, all of it, should be sold to the private sector. Literally, allow the free market to price not only the commodities freight fees but also the cost of and to an individual immigrant.

Allow the corporate headh****rs' office space (at FMV) in every embassy and begin the process of immigrating at the point of obvious origin. FEE-BASED IMMIGRATION! Are you educated? If not will you be attending a university in the US? If so, the cost of education is then guaranteed by the prospect's employer and deducted or otherwise accounted for from wages earned alleviating the use/abuse of tax dollars.

Before you spit on this idea consider; 1) UNV @ Reno, Asian medical student population is supported by their respective country of origin as is the case with Arab students of medicine USI, Carbondale and when a graduate takes employment here rather than return home the employer reimburses the home country.

2) Once upon a time Mexican farmers and laborers would present themselves at the ports or other preassigned addresses (Western & Alameda Los Angeles, Calexico/Mexicali, Nogales, Anthony, Loreado, Brownsville, etc.) as the US harvest was coming in. Wages, housing and YES vocational education that included agronomy, specialty equipment maintenance, logistics, was all understood by and between the parties involved. Hell, the border patrol would wave at the buses, trucks, and caravans as they went north and again at seasons end as nearly everyone returned home. In all honesty, it was not until Chavez and his band of socialist supporters showed up did any of the border states have a serious problem directly resulting in the division of respectful labor/management relations.

3) With e-verify, internet access being what it is, any industry could and should be locating/qualifying & hiring prior to migration. Each industry's web page might describe current and upcoming opportunities. Interested? Register and qualify for an interview in our embassy office. (a creative employer could cripple the coyote's business)

4) There are 10s of thousands of individuals who have life-long experiences with border logistics and half as many corporations all qualified to create and lead such a free market operation. For those of you who may not be familiar with commercial real estate financing take 15 minutes and research 'hedge-funds'. If President Trump said on Monday, "I want $100 mm by Friday for all border assets" the hedge-funds would have it completed by Wednesday. (or wh**ever a price named) By the end of the 1st year, all the bumps would be smoothed and by the 10th anniversary, we wouldn't remember the names of all the politicians and pundits that screamed foul.

However, because there is no "nearly" in this idea it would not qualify as a comprehensive immigration plan. Thanks for listening
com - pre - hen - sive: complete, including all &q... (show quote)


There is some merit to handing off at least part of the responsibility to the private sector. I don't see how they can screw it up any worse than those chicken kacky morons in DC already have.

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Jun 24, 2018 19:36:34   #
rick1958
 
Thank you for your response. There is a lot of good reasoning to your idea and I agree if we could get all of the useless politicians out of immigration and let the private sector handle things unless it causes fair wages to drop for American citizens in favor of cheap imported labor I would agree with your assessment.

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