JimMe

May 23, 2018 Report of the USA Federal Dept of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics Agency states:

5 OUT OF 6 STATE PRISONERS WERE ARRESTED WITHIN 9 YEARS OF THEIR RELEASE

WASHINGTON — Five out of six state prisoners were arrested at least once during the nine years after their release, the Bureau of Justice Statistics announced today. This is the first BJS study that uses a 9-year follow-up period to examine the recidivism patterns of released prisoners. The longer follow-up period shows a much fuller picture of offending patterns and criminal activity of released prisoners than is shown by prior studies that used a 3- or 5-year follow-up period.

This 2018 update on prisoner recidivism tracks a representative sample of prisoners released in 2005 in 30 states and chronicles their arrests through 2014. In 2005, those 30 states accounted for 77 percent of all persons released from state prisons nationwide.

Overall, 68 percent of released state prisoners were arrested within three years, 79 percent within six years and 83 percent within nine years. The 401,288 released state prisoners were arrested an estimated 2 million times during the nine years after their release, an average of five arrests per released prisoner.


If the Parole Systems of Our USA are designed to have felons become decent, reliable citizens in Our Communities, they are failing at an unacceptable rate...

States Must Construct 50% More Prisons, and Eliminate Their Parole Systems... If Federal Monies are required, so be it... At least that increase in Debt will be Well Worth The Cost...

thinksense

Remember everything you Read, see on TV or hear on Radio is made up propaganda to benefit the Govts,Local, State and or Federal .

"It's all a dream."

Learn to Think Sense.

thinksense

Once a person has been convicted of any major crime, (and remember that many of them were actually innocent, but framed to clear a case or for some other police/political reason) they are going to be in NCIC and get much more police attention than someone not previously "convicted".

Add to that, that in most states you can not live a "normal" life for even one day without breaking at least one law. This was stated to me by our county sheriff many years ago, and I will guarantee you that things have not gotten any better over the years.

Add to that the big money involved for the people in "Law enforcement" and the incarceration industry and you can begin to understand that the above figures are bulls**t.

JimMe

thinksense...

When it comes to opinions, it's best to state the source of your claims...

I gave you - and everyone else - my source...

I'm simply asking what source are you referencing that shows "... that many of the parolees were actually innocent, but framed to clear a case or for some other police/political reason"...

thinksense

I'm amazed at your naivete.

You may remember that within the last couple of months, reported on this board, that in Mass. a lab worker who falsified as positive, thousands of drug tests and testified to many of them in court, resulting in something like 30,000 innocents being incarcerated. And Mass. is not the only example. We've had the same thing in a number of other states.

Last year a couple of judges were themselves sent to prison for arbitrarily sending thousands of young men to prison for bribes the judges received from the private company that owned the prison system in their state, and who needed to keep the prisons full to make their moneymaking enterprise work.

You might also refer to the thousands of prisoners who have been released on review of DNA evidence. There is a whole industry based on these miscarriages.

Realize that cops and D.As. are always looking for a chance to create criminal cases.
They are not rewarded for working for justice, only how many cases they clear. And they like the FBI will do wh**ever it takes fair or foul to get convictions.

Why do you think the CIA has been funneling drugs into this country?

If you don’t understand why our country has more prisoners in Jail than any other country in the world I hope you will look into what is going on before it happens to you or yours.

JimMe

Of the 21,907 total cases involved in the possible wrongful incarcerations because of the tech's tampering, the ACLU of Massachusetts said 320 were determined to be wrongfully imprisoned... Reported by nbcnews.com on April 18, 2017...
So, that's what the other States will have found, according to your reasoning...

You are correct regarding the Judges and the Private Jails... The Judges, as well as the Officials bribing the Judges, should be imprisoned for the total number of months the Juveniles served... Fiscal Compensation should be paid to the Juveniles by wh**ever Government the Judges were holding Court in...

DNA has definitely proven the Court System needed more reliable proof to convict... And the Courts have understood for years tens of thousands of innocent prisoners will be released over time...

I strongly disagree that D.A.'s and Police are looking to create criminal cases... The crimes are committed without any Law Enforcement creating them... I will admit they will "take the easy route" toward convictions, especially thru plea bargaining to clear their case load, but that is because they have many more cases than they can investigate fully...

I don't know why the CIA does anything... And if you can say why the CIA does anything, I for one don't want to know...

And I feel we should have more prisons, longer prison terms, and no parole systems...

thinksense

Jim,

You state, “I strongly disagree that D.A.'s and Police are looking to create criminal cases... The crimes are committed without any Law Enforcement creating them... I will admit they will "take the easy route" toward convictions, especially thru plea bargaining to clear their case load, but that is because they have many more cases than they can investigate fully..”

You will find that the DA gets elected based on how many cases he prosecuted and the “won” percentage.. He/she doesn’t care if they are guilty or not, just whether they can be added to his % of wins. And yes he does rely on scaring the accused by threatening a very long sentence if he doesn't "cooperate" and plead guilty, into pleading guilty and saving him a court appearance while getting credit for another “win”. That is why the plea bargain system exists, not because they are so “overcrowded with cases”.



The police do not get commendations and promotions for not making cases for the D.A. to prosecute and win. And these folks create “evidence” and lie in court as a matter of routine.
They are taught to pick out someone who might be guilty of something and create an imaginary case that sounds roughly logical, adding a little “evidence” if necessary, bring it to the D.A. and see if he can create a “win” out of that.

I find it disingenuous of you to claim you don’t know all that. It has been shown often enough.


You state JimMe] "Of the 21,907 total cases involved in the possible wrongful incarcerations because of the tech's tampering, the ACLU of Massachusetts said 320 were determined to be wrongfully imprisoned..”
Of the 21,587 where she presented and testified to f**e results, do you think they all were actually guilty? If the key evidence was f**ed, how can any real determination be made.
No, the reason more were not yet released was due to the fact that many had finished their sentence and released (with a record to haunt them for the rest of their life) before this was discovered, the availability of attorneys willing to take on pro bono cases, and the cooperation of the D.A. who wanted just to see no more of this debacle, published. I will guarantee you that a lot more were ultimately released. In fact all of them should have been released and in an honest society would be released. They all had proven false evidence used in their cases.
There should be no deviation allowed. Either try the cases honestly, or dismiss them. But then politics rears it’s ugly head.

We do not need to spend MORE $ building and housing “criminals” created by the workings of f**e “Law Enforcement”. We need to tear down 90% of those we have that are incarcerating the “foul drug fiends”, who harm only themselves. Use that money thus saved to get these poor insane people who have been turned out of State run facilities to “save money”.

Believe it or not just a few minutes ago, I heard heart rending female crying, looked out the window and saw an old woman who is one of these crazies, walking down the street in her old black coat, (it is 90degrees out) and crying a pitiful cry. We’ve got dozens of these poor homeless critters in our county.

Yeah, you’ve got the right answer...Build more prisons and get longer sentences. Then you’ll know where your children are.

JimMe

Your view of what is happening and mine will never meet... We interpret what we see/read/hear differently, and we see our reasoning to be the more accurate... So, I'll espouse my views and you yours, and in the end we will trudge along...

thinksense

It is obvious that what Jim says about our individual views of this horrible activity going on in our law enforcement and courts are disparate and never will be resolved between him and me. going on in our law enforcement and courts are disparate and never will be resolved between him and me.

What about you, the reader of these discussions?

Have you been harmed or seen blatant harm arise from our current court system? Or seen benefit from the way the police and courts handle these problems? Have you gotten an unearned Police Record, and if you have, has that caused problems for you?

Or maybe you have been a victim of the criminals?
Are you willing to talk about your experience?

Maybe my view is wrong. My experience is very limited, though I have had 2 Sheriffs , many Sheriff's Deputies and a number of drug addicts and attorneys (though never one who specialized in defending drug addicts) as patients and have talked with some of them about these problems, especially as related to drugs, ( which I am vociferously against) from which I have formed my opinions.


What say you?????


What about you? Have you been harmed or seen blatant harm arise from our current police/court system?
Are you willing to talk about your experience?