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Apr 6, 2014 00:48:59   #
Anigav6969
 
I would like to know if you, as a conservative would like to see everyone in the country have healthcare?..I'm not talking Obamacare..I'm just curious if its something that you even would like to see, from a personal standpoint.

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Apr 6, 2014 01:16:40   #
Had enough
 
Of course I would like everyone have healthcare! On the same hand I don't feel my healthcare has anything to do with someone elses. I don't believe for a minute I should pay for anyone elses healthcare!!! I worked 70 hours a week or more for most of my life to help care for my family. We have never once asked for any type of hand out from anyone ever!! I had the better education in my marriage so it was agreed I could bring in the better paycheck I would be the one to work more hours outside the home. My husband worked full time and kept the home clean and did all the cooking, laundry etc. and it worked out fine. I was home for all the big events and holidays. Now you take someone who can't be bothered to get up and go to work even 4 hours a day and looks for everything to be handed to them. Tell me after all my sacrifices why I should pay for that person to have anything. The government taxes us for every single thing we do. Let them pay for those that want healthcare handed to them. They have taken tens of thousands from my family over the years. I've paid enough!!!! Everyone has the right to healthcare!! The type and amount they have is up to them!!!! I don't even want to hear about the struggles people face. We all have struggled. As I have told before my family ( mother and siblings) wound up in the projects in Brooklyn when my father deserted the 6 of us. My mother worked every waking moment to get us out of there. We all worked hard and we all got out!!!! It took years and years but we got out!!! We suffered and at times went to bed hungry . That was the fuel to keep us motivated. There is no excuse for looking for hand outs but laziness!!! Healthcare for all??? Absolutely!!! Pay for it yourself??? Absolutely!!!

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Apr 6, 2014 01:32:01   #
bahmer
 
Had enough wrote:
Of course I would like everyone have healthcare! On the same hand I don't feel my healthcare has anything to do with someone elses. I don't believe for a minute I should pay for anyone elses healthcare!!! I worked 70 hours a week or more for most of my life to help care for my family. We have never once asked for any type of hand out from anyone ever!! I had the better education in my marriage so it was agreed I could bring in the better paycheck I would be the one to work more hours outside the home. My husband worked full time and kept the home clean and did all the cooking, laundry etc. and it worked out fine. I was home for all the big events and holidays. Now you take someone who can't be bothered to get up and go to work even 4 hours a day and looks for everything to be handed to them. Tell me after all my sacrifices why I should pay for that person to have anything. The government taxes us for every single thing we do. Let them pay for those that want healthcare handed to them. They have taken tens of thousands from my family over the years. I've paid enough!!!! Everyone has the right to healthcare!! The type and amount they have is up to them!!!! I don't even want to hear about the struggles people face. We all have struggled. As I have told before my family ( mother and siblings) wound up in the projects in Brooklyn when my father deserted the 6 of us. My mother worked every waking moment to get us out of there. We all worked hard and we all got out!!!! It took years and years but we got out!!! We suffered and at times went to bed hungry . That was the fuel to keep us motivated. There is no excuse for looking for hand outs but laziness!!! Healthcare for all??? Absolutely!!! Pay for it yourself??? Absolutely!!!
Of course I would like everyone have healthcare! O... (show quote)


Good post. We are guaranteed the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. We are not guaranteed that we will find even that but we can pursue it. Life is not fair and there is no such thing as a free lunch both concepts I instilled in my children and they are both hard working and trying to get ahead. Insurance it would be nice if everyone could afford it but realistically that is not the case. Life doesn't work that way. The Hospitals picked up the tab before and that made the normal persons insurance rise. Once Obama and his mandates took effect the insurance premiums rose even higher. You can insure everyone for everything and the insurance premiums run even higher yet. You can turn everything over to the government and have legalized euthanasia but your premiums will still be astronomical and the medical coverage will stink.

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Apr 6, 2014 02:03:40   #
rumitoid
 
bahmer wrote:
Good post. We are guaranteed the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. We are not guaranteed that we will find even that but we can pursue it. Life is not fair and there is no such thing as a free lunch both concepts I instilled in my children and they are both hard working and trying to get ahead. Insurance it would be nice if everyone could afford it but realistically that is not the case. Life doesn't work that way. The Hospitals picked up the tab before and that made the normal persons insurance rise. Once Obama and his mandates took effect the insurance premiums rose even higher. You can insure everyone for everything and the insurance premiums run even higher yet. You can turn everything over to the government and have legalized euthanasia but your premiums will still be astronomical and the medical coverage will stink.
Good post. We are guaranteed the pursuit of life, ... (show quote)


E******y is not anything like what Conservatives tell you, like O'Reilly. He claims that e******y is utterly impossible because we all have different talents and abilities. Pure idiocy! This kind of logic from the Right is depressing: what the heck are they thinking. or if they are thinking at all? Then I see 50k likes his comments on Twitter to what O'Reilly said and suicide becomes not just an option but a way to leave this life whole: yet I am only opting out of Wonderland, not the world.
E******y is basic to life, what the DOI guaranteed for all. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is the basis of e******y, our God-given rights. O'Reilly is either unconversant as to what liberty is or was just in attack mode as his network demanded.

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Apr 6, 2014 05:05:19   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
bahmer wrote:
Good post. We are guaranteed the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. We are not guaranteed that we will find even that but we can pursue it. Life is not fair and there is no such thing as a free lunch both concepts I instilled in my children and they are both hard working and trying to get ahead. Insurance it would be nice if everyone could afford it but realistically that is not the case. Life doesn't work that way. The Hospitals picked up the tab before and that made the normal persons insurance rise. Once Obama and his mandates took effect the insurance premiums rose even higher. You can insure everyone for everything and the insurance premiums run even higher yet. You can turn everything over to the government and have legalized euthanasia but your premiums will still be astronomical and the medical coverage will stink.
Good post. We are guaranteed the pursuit of life, ... (show quote)


True, but the cost of health care was never about insurance. the cost of healthcare was due to the outrageous prices and fees charged TO insurance companies and individuals. It is kind of a pyramid scheme. Education for health professionals is too expensive, due to the greed of those running the institutions. The myriad middle men for medical equipment and supplies, all making insane profits. Overpaying hospital administration. Ridiculous lawsuits and awards. All the patent fees to universities for medical breakthroughs and treatments. The list goes on.

There could be viable, affordable healthcare for everyone, but the Gov. has to get out of the insurance business and INTO the healthcare business.

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Apr 6, 2014 05:54:32   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Does everyone remember it was 15 million that did not have health care, so instead working a plan for the 15. Obama adds a government control program, taking up 1*6 of our economy, affecting the other 320 +/-million in our, once great land.
Also nearly every state if not all has medical (medicaid). Free to the low income, or.sliding scale if over a specified amount.

O'Reilly, said it great is why 50,000 people liked his comment. Retiring from sales I earned over 4 times as others doing the very same thing, because of sk**l set. A neurosurgeon earns, more than a school teacher, or welder.....da. Who can't understand what he was reporting?

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Apr 6, 2014 06:05:34   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
I would like to know if you, as a conservative would like to see everyone in the country have healthcare?..I'm not talking Obamacare..I'm just curious if its something that you even would like to see, from a personal standpoint.


You may not be aware but "health care" is not interchangeable with the term "health insurance. Having health insurance does not guarantee acceptable "health care". The PPACA is not "health care" it is "supposedly" health insurance.

I would like those who want to have health insurance to be able to obtain it. There are individuals who make a personal choice, which is their right, to not have health insurance. They should not be forced to purchase something at the direction of the government. There are those who are in good health; however, as a precaution had catastrophic health insurance.

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Apr 6, 2014 08:55:32   #
Anigav6969
 
Had enough wrote:
Of course I would like everyone have healthcare! On the same hand I don't feel my healthcare has anything to do with someone elses. I don't believe for a minute I should pay for anyone elses healthcare!!! I worked 70 hours a week or more for most of my life to help care for my family. We have never once asked for any type of hand out from anyone ever!! I had the better education in my marriage so it was agreed I could bring in the better paycheck I would be the one to work more hours outside the home. My husband worked full time and kept the home clean and did all the cooking, laundry etc. and it worked out fine. I was home for all the big events and holidays. Now you take someone who can't be bothered to get up and go to work even 4 hours a day and looks for everything to be handed to them. Tell me after all my sacrifices why I should pay for that person to have anything. The government taxes us for every single thing we do. Let them pay for those that want healthcare handed to them. They have taken tens of thousands from my family over the years. I've paid enough!!!! Everyone has the right to healthcare!! The type and amount they have is up to them!!!! I don't even want to hear about the struggles people face. We all have struggled. As I have told before my family ( mother and siblings) wound up in the projects in Brooklyn when my father deserted the 6 of us. My mother worked every waking moment to get us out of there. We all worked hard and we all got out!!!! It took years and years but we got out!!! We suffered and at times went to bed hungry . That was the fuel to keep us motivated. There is no excuse for looking for hand outs but laziness!!! Healthcare for all??? Absolutely!!! Pay for it yourself??? Absolutely!!!
Of course I would like everyone have healthcare! O... (show quote)


I absolutely respect everything you've done for your family. Let me just throw a few things out there:
- we were pretty much the only industrialized nation left that didn't guarantee health care for its citizens
- even if a family had and paid for health insurance, a family could go broke when someone in that family gets seriously il, when the insurance company cuts them off or caps them out( I personally know people this has happened to)
- people now running to the emergency room..cannot be denied service( Reagan started that)..and we all pay for that out of our taxes. That's one of the reasons our healthcare in this country is so expensive
- last, most poor people actually work full time..our fastest growing segment is the working poor. So they may work at Walmart 50 hours a week and still get government welfare( food stamps)
I'm not looking to get blasted here..I'm not even saying we should have Obamacare. But I do feel something had to be done and tried. Also, the individual mandate was the republicans idea...I remember Newt Gingrich actually defending it in debates

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Apr 6, 2014 14:56:50   #
Ve'hoe
 
Don't forget either,,, the government also took over the education funding business,,,,,there IS method to their madness.......it is not a mistake, or a way to "help" the little guy,,



lpnmajor wrote:
True, but the cost of health care was never about insurance. the cost of healthcare was due to the outrageous prices and fees charged TO insurance companies and individuals. It is kind of a pyramid scheme. Education for health professionals is too expensive, due to the greed of those running the institutions. The myriad middle men for medical equipment and supplies, all making insane profits. Overpaying hospital administration. Ridiculous lawsuits and awards. All the patent fees to universities for medical breakthroughs and treatments. The list goes on.

There could be viable, affordable healthcare for everyone, but the Gov. has to get out of the insurance business and INTO the healthcare business.
True, but the cost of health care was never about ... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2014 18:24:21   #
bahmer
 
lpnmajor wrote:
True, but the cost of health care was never about insurance. the cost of healthcare was due to the outrageous prices and fees charged TO insurance companies and individuals. It is kind of a pyramid scheme. Education for health professionals is too expensive, due to the greed of those running the institutions. The myriad middle men for medical equipment and supplies, all making insane profits. Overpaying hospital administration. Ridiculous lawsuits and awards. All the patent fees to universities for medical breakthroughs and treatments. The list goes on.

There could be viable, affordable healthcare for everyone, but the Gov. has to get out of the insurance business and INTO the healthcare business.
True, but the cost of health care was never about ... (show quote)


No. one the government is not your friend it never has been and never will be. The government is trying to make itself bigger and more intrusive into your life and everyone elses life in this country. They are also into taking over as much of the economy as they possibly can and that includes yours.
No. two almost all of the individuals that serve in the house and the senate are lawyers. Lawyers make laws to help lawyers because if everyone could read it and understand it they wouldn't need lawyers. They could change the laws limiting the amount of damages one could sue for but they chose Obamacare instead. The list can go on from there.

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Apr 6, 2014 20:21:37   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
I would like to know if you, as a conservative would like to see everyone in the country have healthcare?..I'm not talking Obamacare..I'm just curious if its something that you even would like to see, from a personal standpoint.




I would replace Obamacare and put in a better system for all Americans and take the Government out of the picture. We do not need the Government telling American Citizens what they have to buy or need, it's not the Governments business. Here is how it would works.

Health insurance should be individual, portable across jobs, states and providers; lifelong and guaranteed-renewable, meaning you have the right to continue with no unexpected increase in premiums if you get sick. Insurance should protect wealth against large, unforeseen, necessary expenses, rather than be a wildly inefficient payment plan for routine expenses.

People want to buy this insurance, and companies want to sell it. It would be far cheaper, and would solve the pre-existing conditions problem. We do not have such health insurance only because it was regulated out of existence. Businesses cannot establish or contribute to portable individual policies, or employees would have to pay taxes. So businesses only offer group plans. Knowing they will abandon individual insurance when they get a job, and without cross-state portability, there is little reason for young people to invest in lifelong, portable health insurance. Mandated coverage, pressure against full risk rating, and a dysfunctional cash market did the rest.
Rather than a mandate for employer-based groups, we should t***sition to fully individual-based health insurance. Allow national individual insurance offered and sold to anyone, anywhere, without the tangled mess of state mandates and regulations. Allow employers to contribute to individual insurance at least on an even basis with group plans. Current group plans can convert to individual plans, at once or as people leave. Since all members in a group convert, there is no adverse se******n of sicker people.

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Apr 6, 2014 20:57:48   #
Ve'hoe
 
If you had a shortage of Dr's,,,,, simply allow Dr's to treat the indigent for free, paying off their college loans $1 for every $3 in treatment they give....

They send in the old HCFA type form to the govt, who forgives their loans,,,, at that rate..

The effect would be more Dr's who could get their school paid for,,, more poor treated,,, we the taxpayer get something for our tax $, and the situation is fixed without govt usurping power, or rationing treatment like is going to happen, just like Sarah Palin said it would......

This was a power/money grab had nothing to do with healthcare, nor the poor..

Anigav6969 wrote:
I would like to know if you, as a conservative would like to see everyone in the country have healthcare?..I'm not talking Obamacare..I'm just curious if its something that you even would like to see, from a personal standpoint.

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Apr 6, 2014 21:11:39   #
Anigav6969
 
saveamerica wrote:
I would replace Obamacare and put in a better system for all Americans and take the Government out of the picture. We do not need the Government telling American Citizens what they have to buy or need, it's not the Governments business. Here is how it would works.

Health insurance should be individual, portable across jobs, states and providers; lifelong and guaranteed-renewable, meaning you have the right to continue with no unexpected increase in premiums if you get sick. Insurance should protect wealth against large, unforeseen, necessary expenses, rather than be a wildly inefficient payment plan for routine expenses.

People want to buy this insurance, and companies want to sell it. It would be far cheaper, and would solve the pre-existing conditions problem. We do not have such health insurance only because it was regulated out of existence. Businesses cannot establish or contribute to portable individual policies, or employees would have to pay taxes. So businesses only offer group plans. Knowing they will abandon individual insurance when they get a job, and without cross-state portability, there is little reason for young people to invest in lifelong, portable health insurance. Mandated coverage, pressure against full risk rating, and a dysfunctional cash market did the rest.
Rather than a mandate for employer-based groups, we should t***sition to fully individual-based health insurance. Allow national individual insurance offered and sold to anyone, anywhere, without the tangled mess of state mandates and regulations. Allow employers to contribute to individual insurance at least on an even basis with group plans. Current group plans can convert to individual plans, at once or as people leave. Since all members in a group convert, there is no adverse se******n of sicker people.
I would replace Obamacare and put in a better syst... (show quote)


This sounds great! I never understood why we can't purchase health insurance out of state..is anyone proposing something even close to this? And does it actually have shot?

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Apr 6, 2014 21:15:03   #
Anigav6969
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
If you had a shortage of Dr's,,,,, simply allow Dr's to treat the indigent for free, paying off their college loans $1 for every $3 in treatment they give....

They send in the old HCFA type form to the govt, who forgives their loans,,,, at that rate..

The effect would be more Dr's who could get their school paid for,,, more poor treated,,, we the taxpayer get something for our tax $, and the situation is fixed without govt usurping power, or rationing treatment like is going to happen, just like Sarah Palin said it would......

This was a power/money grab had nothing to do with healthcare, nor the poor..
If you had a shortage of Dr's,,,,, simply allow Dr... (show quote)


Interesting idea about Dr's taking care of the poor..although I would imagine the $1 for $3 of treatment would be hard to track..but pretty cool....although I have to admit I have no interest in Sarah palin...at this point what does she even do?

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Apr 6, 2014 21:47:38   #
bobgssc
 
rumitoid wrote:
E******y is not anything like what Conservatives tell you, like O'Reilly. He claims that e******y is utterly impossible because we all have different talents and abilities. Pure idiocy! This kind of logic from the Right is depressing: what the heck are they thinking. or if they are thinking at all? Then I see 50k likes his comments on Twitter to what O'Reilly said and suicide becomes not just an option but a way to leave this life whole: yet I am only opting out of Wonderland, not the world.
E******y is basic to life, what the DOI guaranteed for all. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is the basis of e******y, our God-given rights. O'Reilly is either unconversant as to what liberty is or was just in attack mode as his network demanded.
E******y is not anything like what Conservatives t... (show quote)


Not trying to be offensive, I like the thought shown in the post, but I kind of think you (or someone) is confusing "e******y" with earning e******y. Just because you choose to be a doctor and I choose to be a garbage carrier, doesn't make us unequal. We will definitely have une******y in our earning abilities but why should I get paid as much as you?
I believe when he said "e******y", he didn't mean the people are unequal as humans, but the more common description based on earnings. Those who claim all people should earn the same or that some rich people should give up some of their hard earned (or even inherited) moneys to even the playing field are simply either not realistic, too lazy to earn their own, or simply have a sense of entitlement which is so rampant in our society. Of course, I don't know the man, so I could be completely wrong.

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