alabuck wrote:
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Buffalo,
First, the SCOTUS decision was limited to the baker’s case, only. In their split decision, the justices said as much. Additionally, they called for tolerance and understanding from both sides of the issue.
They, also, recognized that the states have statutes that outlaw discrimination based on religion, national origin, sexual identity, race, or martial status, for those businesses who do business with the general public. To me, that the SCOTUS would make the ruling it did in this case, yet acknowledge the fact of the existing state laws, is troubling in that it seems that the majority of the SCOTUS, itself, is torn between religious freedom vs. discrimination.
As to the Trumpets being “forced” to rent to those they didn’t want to, my first reaction is to reply that discrimination, based on religion, national origin, sexual identity, race, or martial status, is wrong. It’s against the law. I realize that’s a unique concept for those who claim to be adherents of the Constitution. I suppose that as long as the Constitution says what they want it to, they’re okay with it. But, if it goes against what they want, they get the more conservative SCOTUS justices to opine in their favor.
Also, since most conservatives claim to be Christians, its always interesting, to me, to see how they rectify the teachings of Jesus to love others as much as we love ourselves and to treat others as we want to be treated. A couple of issues, that particularly stand-out to me, are their stances on birth control/a******n and welfare/access to affordable medical care. Conservatives rabidly beat the drum against a******n, citing the Bible as the basis of their beliefs. “A******n is murder,” they shout! “It’s in the Bible!” Well, its in the Bible that a******n is REQUIRED should a wife become pregnant by a man other than her husband. Look up, Numbers 5:11-29 (NIV). In this passage, the Lord COMMANDS that the woman be given a potion (poison) that will cause her to abort the baby if she lied about who the father was. So, here is God, telling His people that because the wife committed adultery and became pregnant, that the “innocent” child has to be k**led! I wonder why the conservatives NEVER mention that part of the Bible? Could it be because that section of Scripture doesn’t jive with their political position?
THEN, the conservatives say that it’s not their place to help care for a child they wouldn’t allow the woman to abort; or, wouldn’t allow the woman access to birth control so she wouldn’t become pregnant in the first place. They hold the program designed to give kids, whose parents make too much money to qualify for Medicare, yet can’t afford private insurance, a.k.a. CHIP, hostage over some stupid and totally usless wall. Again, given how we’re told, in the Bible, to care for the poor and less fortunate, how can they align that position with their claims to be “Christians?” To me, there’s no way they can align their conservative beliefs and actions with the religion they claim to follow.
Just saying ...
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Atheist have scoured dozens of Bible t***slations in the effort to find wordings to attack Christians /Christianity. NIV, KJV, ESB, NKJV, and dozens of others. However it is incumbent of the reader when "Studying" God's word to know what the t***slators took from the Hebrew - Old Testament, Aramaic /Greek-New Testament (original transcripts) because of idioms, cultural, historical ect. Differences in the English language. The only version NIV or New International Version has long been negatively looked upon by Bible Theologians for its many inaccuracies, even leaving out complete text and in the case of your quoting it gets it wrong. Question... Check it. It's easy, Google the side by side Hebrew /English Bible and compare word for word t***slations. Another way to verify would be to get a commentary from a Jewish Rabbi, after all they are "Experts" on Old Testament Law which equates to "getting it from the horses mouth".
Here is a head start on the law of the old Testament from Hebrew t***slation from the original transcript. I'll add notes in a second reply.
Numbers 5:11–31. The Trial of Jealousy
This law for determining the guilt or innocence of an adulterer is puzzling in many respects. At first it seems heavily biased against the woman for there is no similar requirement for the man. A close examination of the law will show what was involved in it and why the Lord revealed it.
“The rabbins who have commented on this text give us the following information: When any man, prompted by the spirit of jealousy, suspected his wife to have committed adultery, he brought her first before the judges, and accused her of the crime; but as she asserted her innocency, and refused to acknowledge herself guilty, and as he had no witnesses to produce, he required that she be sentenced to drink the waters of bitterness which the law had appointed; that God, by this means, might discover what she wished to conceal. After the judges had heard the accusation and the denial, the man and his wife were both sent to Jerusalem, to appear before the Sanhedrin, who were the sole judges in such matters. The rabbins say that the judges of the Sanhedrin, at first endeavoured with threatenings to confound the woman, and cause her to confess her crime; when she still persisted in her innocence, she was led to the eastern gate of the court of Israel, where she was stripped of the clothes she wore, and dressed in black before a number of persons of her own sex. The priest then told her that if she knew herself to be innocent she had no evil to apprehend; but if she were guilty, she might expect to suffer all that the law threatened; to which she answered, Amen, amen.
“The priest then wrote the words of the law upon a piece of vellum, with ink that had no vitriol in it, that it might be the more easily blotted out. The words written on the vellum were, according to the rabbins, the following:—‘If a strange man have not come near thee, and thou art not polluted by forsaking the bed of thy husband, these bitter waters which I have cursed will not hurt thee: but if thou have gone astray from thy husband, and have polluted thyself by coming near to another man, may thou be accursed of the Lord, and become an example for all his people; may thy thigh rot, and thy belly swell till it burst! may these cursed waters enter into thy belly, and, being swelled therewith, may thy thigh putrefy!’
“After this the priest took a new pitcher, filled it with water out of the brazen bason that was near the altar of burnt-offering, cast some dust into it taken from the pavement of the temple, mingled something bitter, as wormwood, with it, and having read the curses above mentioned to the woman, and received her answer of Amen, he scraped off the curses from the vellum into the pitcher of water. During this time another priest tore her clothes as low as her bosom, made her head bare, untied the tresses of her hair, fastened her torn clothes with a girdle below her breasts, and presented her with the tenth part of an ephah, or about three pints of barley-meal, which was in a frying pan, without oil or incense.
“The other priest, who had prepared the waters of jealousy, then gave them to be drank by the accused person, and as soon as she had swallowed them, he put the pan with the meal in it into her hand. This was waved before the Lord, and a part of it thrown into the fire of the altar. If the woman was innocent, she returned with her husband; and the waters, instead of incommoding her, made her more healthy and fruitful than ever: if on the contrary she were guilty, she was seen immediately to grow pale, her eyes started out of her head, and, lest the temple should be defiled with her death, she was carried out, and died instantly with all the ignominious circumstances related in the curses.