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May 29, 2018 18:54:29   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
bahmer wrote:
I will watch the rest later thanks.
Don't waste your time. Ron Wyatt was a nurse-anesthetist, he has no academic background or degrees in any field even associated with archeology. Professional archeologists have commented that his "discoveries" make those of Indiana Jones pale into oblivion. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...”

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May 29, 2018 18:58:21   #
bahmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Don't waste your time. Ron Wyatt was a nurse-anesthetist, he has no academic background or degrees in any field even associated with archeology. Professional archeologists have commented that his "discoveries" make those of Indiana Jones pale into oblivion. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...”
Don't waste your time. Ron Wyatt was a nurse-anest... (show quote)


After I saw what he and it was I decided to not watch any further as well. Steve can have it all to himself.

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May 29, 2018 22:21:04   #
Steve700
 
Singularity wrote:
I don't mind giving some aspects of Christianity a bad name, but I truly can't stomach the unproven implication that any scientific evidence, at all, ever, has confirmed a supernatural occurance. In fact, once an occurance or substance can be scientifically observed and measured, it is thus shown to be simply natural, just theretofore not known or understood.

He is similarly giving science a bad name.
How do you feel about Islam being given a bad name ?????????????? I never heard the more stupid statement than to pass off miraculous things as meaningless by saying once something is observed in science it is thus shown to be natural. You saying "I truly can't stomach the unproven implication that any scientific evidence, at all, ever, has confirmed a supernatural occurance" is just you going into denial saying you don't believe any supernatural occurrences that would prove God, Christ or Christianity ever happened.

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May 29, 2018 22:26:04   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Don't waste your time. Ron Wyatt was a nurse-anesthetist, he has no academic background or degrees in any field even associated with archeology. Professional archeologists have commented that his "discoveries" make those of Indiana Jones pale into oblivion. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...”
Don't waste your time. Ron Wyatt was a nurse-anest... (show quote)

What you godless heathen atheist think about Christianity means nothing. You people have absolutely no integrity and will deny and say anything to try and substantiate your unwillingness to be held to account regarding what is true. You of all people have already proven yourself to not look at facts and be of no integrity whatsoever. Where's the pictures, jackass. He

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May 29, 2018 22:36:28   #
Steve700
 
Singularity wrote:
I started to read it, but it got long and boring so I abandoned it after a word or so.

Low level logicicians/concrete thinkers, as your demonstration of scientific ineptitude and easy gullibility illustrate, are rarely stimulated to change their underwear, much less their opinions.

What bull s**t. To you, 8 lines are too long and boring when it starts out saying "I hadn't done any research beyond watching that one video". Obviously you don't even want to know that I'm not at all sure myself and just put it out there for your own information and so you could do further research if you are so inclined. Obviously, you not only don't want to know the t***h, you don't want to hear me admit that I'm not sure yet either because I haven't looked deeply into it. Obviously, rather than know the t***h, you would rather have reason to go ahead and condemn me. All part of the dishonest lack of integrity in the makeup of the angry, malcontented and h**eful, mean-spirited, slanderous liberal.

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May 29, 2018 22:40:08   #
Steve700
 
bahmer wrote:
After I saw what he and it was I decided to not watch any further as well. Steve can have it all to himself.



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May 29, 2018 23:20:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
What you godless heathen atheist think about Christianity means nothing. You people have absolutely no integrity and will deny and say anything to try and substantiate your unwillingness to be held to account regarding what is true. You of all people have already proven yourself to not look at facts and be of no integrity whatsoever. Where's the pictures, jackass. He
Here is a reliable and professional source for Biblical scholarship and archeology: Associates for Biblical Research

Here is an excellent source for Biblical and Scientific Studies

Here is the source for my favorite Bible Restoration Study Bible

I could give you the phone number of my pastor. He will fill you in on what a "godless heathen atheist" I am.





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May 30, 2018 00:19:07   #
Radiance3
 
bahmer wrote:
Steve I have discussed with singularity on a number of different occasions here on OPP and she has read through her bible more times than you and also myself I might add. She knows what she believes and why. You on the other hand do have a reputation for conspiracy theories and you are of the type that refuse to accept any other definition aside from your own. It is for this reason many on here don't want to discuss with you on anything because you become like a bad penny and we can't get rid of you. Another one that comes to mind is 9-11 and the planes hitting the twin towers and you have your belief because you read something and even when engineers tried to talk some sense into you you refused and became belligerent. I am sorry that I even looked at this thread now realizing it was you who posted this. Now you are giving Christians a bad name.
Steve I have discussed with singularity on a numbe... (show quote)

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Now bahmer, Singularity does not believe in the Holy Bible. She is an Atheist. All she had Googled are the works of Atheists, or non-Christian believer, like Jews as well. In addition, not all articles you Google are credible. Most if coming from Atheists will deny any existence of God or destroy the facts.

I think you are the one giving Christians a bad name. By aligning with an Atheists Singularity, you’d rather believe an Atheist. She'll never believe that there is God, and along with the other they called scientific theories, like God's creativity versus evolution. I’ve read all her arguments at OPP, that had proven her as an Atheist.

I think I would give this a two-sided argument to see which justifies the credibility of Christ’s blood on the cross. I believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit through the Virgin mother of God. ATHIEST DO NOT BELIEVE ON THAT.
By discrediting Ron Wyatt (did you watch the video?), must also belong to Jews, Muslims, non-believers like Atheists like Singularity, and all Atheists.

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May 30, 2018 02:48:44   #
Radiance3
 
Singularity wrote:
I worked as an attending physician, a psychiatrist, at Tennessee Christian Medical Center, formerly known as Madison Hospital, in Madison Tennessee during the 80s and 90s when this fool was still kicking around. What a f****** i***t!

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church

RON WYATT, THE “INDIANA JONES” OF THE SDA CHURCH
BY WAYNE JACKSON
Ron Wyatt (1933-1999) was a nurse-anesthetist in a hospital in Madison, Tennessee. At the age of 27 he saw a picture in Life Magazine of the Durupinar site — a large natural, boat-shaped formation — in eastern Turkey. Feverish speculation circulated that this could be the residue of Noah’s Ark. This sparked Wyatt’s interest, and was the beginning of a long amateur career as a sensationalist pseudo-archaeologist.

For the last 22 years of his life he made numerous trips to the Middle East. The claims associated with his “discoveries” would make Harrison Ford’s “Indiana Jones” pale into oblivion. Yet today, more than a decade after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research web site, and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits.

His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...” (http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html).

Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination, Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.

The Standish brothers were identical twins who were from New South Wales, Australia. Russell (who died in 2008) was a physician, hospital administrator, and a medical missionary; Colin is the founder and president of Hartland College in Virginia. Both were ordained as ministers in the conservative branch of SDA church. They have been prolific writers, co-authoring numerous books, among which is Holy Relics or Revelation – Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (hereafter designated as HRR).

Alleged Discoveries
According to the aforementioned book, Wyatt discovered or identified some ninety-two relics or sites (HRR, 7-10). These include:

Noah’s Home and a Flood-inscription at that site,
Fences from Noah’s farm,
Anchor Stones from Noah’s Ark,
laminated Deck Timber from the Ark,
Noah’s Altar,
Tombs with Tombstones of Noah and his wife,
the precise location of the Red Sea Crossing,
Wheels from Egyptian Char**ts involved in the pursuit of the Israelites from Egypt,
the Book of the Law written by Moses on Animal Skins,
Gold from the Golden Calf fashioned by Aaron,
the Ark of the Covenant,
Tables of the Ten Commandments,
the Tabernacle’s Table of the Showbread,
Goliath’s Sword,
Jesus’ Tomb and the Stone Seal of the Tomb,
a sampling of Christ’s Dried Blood, proving the doctrine of the Virgin Birth by means of a “c********e count,” etc.
If all the claims of Wyatt were true, he would be the most celebrated archaeologist in the history of that scholastic discipline! And yet he had no scientific credibility at all with respectable scholars; he was and is adored only by a band of deluded, though dev**ed, cultic disciples.

Serious Problems
In this brief review of the Standish brothers’ book, we offer two devastating examples of the h**xes perpetrated by Ron Wyatt. Actually, the ninety-plus examples, touted by Wyatt and his followers, is a “house of cards” that falls under the weight of its own absurdity! Consider the following two most sensational examples.

Bones and Char**t Wheels
Wyatt claimed to have discovered the exact place where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, before the waters returned and drowned Pharaoh’s forces. He contended that he explored the floor of the Gulf of Aqaba, using scuba gear. Supposedly, he discovered “char**t litter” in the form of wheels, body frames, and the bones of both humans and horses, scattered over a lengthy area.

Several things may be said of this claim (HRR, 184ff). First, the site of the exodus route, as described in Exodus 14:1ff, is highly disputed. The three specific sites mentioned in Moses’ record (v. 2) “have been lost in the sands of time” (Bruckner, 2008, 129). No one knows the precise place of the crossing. Conservative scholarship strongly argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez (Vos, 2003, 104ff), and not the Gulf of Aqaba, as Wyatt contended.

Second, Wyatt claimed that he was using simple recreational scuba equipment when he discovered these wheels, etc., at a depth of some 200 feet in the Gulf. However, ordinary scuba apparatus is designed to accommodate only a depth of approximately 125-130 feet. Beyond this more sophisticated equipment is required.

Third, Pharaoh’s army was said to have been destroyed “in the middle of the sea” (Exodus 14:23) which, according to measurements of the British Admiralty, is almost 2,800 feet deep in the midst of Aqaba. This hardly harmonizes with Wyatt’s 200 feet “discoveries”!

Then there is the issue of the “bones” — of both horses and men — that Wyatt reputedly found. Recall that the destruction of Pharaoh’s army took place about 3,500 years ago. Compare this with the following facts. The Titanic went down in 1912 and 1,553 people were lost in the wreckage. In 1985, 73 years following that Atlantic catastrophe, the submerged vessel was discovered and explored. Specially designed underwater TV and video equipment was employed; in addition, more than 53,000 photos were taken. The remains of not a solitary person — neither skin nor bone — was found. Everything had been completely consumed by fish, crustaceans, and the destructive effect of salt water (HRR, 179ff).

After their extensive investigations, the Standish brothers declared that no char**t wheels, or remains of human or horse bones found in the Gulf of Aqaba, were ever submitted to scientific authorities for examination and testing (HRR, 283-284). In spite of this fact, the Wyatt Museum web site states: “Ron actually retrieved a hub of a wheel which had the remains of 8 spokes radiating outward from it.”

In fact, he claimed to have found wheels with 4, 6, and 8 spokes! One authority suggests that the video tape Wyatt employed to show these underwater “artifacts” appears to be a h**x; he challenged him to subject the items to a C14 dating test — if indeed he ever had an actual sample of anything (Zias, op. cit.).

The Blood of Christ Allegation
The problems associated with Wyatt’s alleged discoveries are astronomical — beyond one’s ability to calculate.

Take, for example, the claim that he located a residue of the dried blood of Christ that had dripped on to the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located within a cave associated with Solomon’s original Temple in Jerusalem.

One of Wyatt’s defenders claims samples were taken and returned to Nashville, Tennessee where Wyatt had the “blood” analyzed in a hospital laboratory.

On another occasion, in an interview with Russell Standish, Wyatt claimed that the samples were studied in a laboratory in Jerusalem.

The contradiction is glaring.

Where was the lab? Are there remaining samples, since the claim was made that copious amounts of blood had flowed down? Where are the test records? Can other samples be retrieved? Is there any evidence at all of such a discovery? Why was the evidence never brought forth for critical and scientific examination?

One explanation was that the Israeli authorities did not want the story released because the location of the Ark of the Covenant was very close to one of Islam’s most sacred sites, and the announcement might possibly precipitate a violent conflict between Jewish zealots and Moslems.

At the same time, however, Wyatt was “blabbing” the story of the discovery in Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand (HRR, 5, 55, 89), with no apparent censure from the Israeli government! The fact is, Joe Zias of the Israel Antiquities Department (as referenced above) “provided full authority for the public release of the report on Wyatt’s blood samples” (HRR, 90).

Elsewhere Wyatt claimed that an “angel prohibited” him from providing the details of his phenomenal discovery! (HRR, 70, 90, 285). There also were other accounts of “angelic” appearances, and even a claim of seeing Christ (HRR, 127ff).

Incidentally, the reason Wyatt knew he saw Jesus was because the Lord "was dressed exactly as Ellen White..."


REFERENCES
Bruckner, James. 2008. Exodus, Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.
Standish, Russell R. and Colin D. Standish. 1999. Holy Relics or Revelation – Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated. Rapidan, VA: Hartland Publications.
Vow, Howard. 2003. Wycliffe Historical Geography of Bible Lands – Revised. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.
Wyatt Museum – http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing-05.htm
SCRIPTURE REFERENCES
Exodus 14:1; Exodus 14:23
CITE THIS ARTICLE
Jackson, Wayne. "Ron Wyatt, the "Indiana Jones" of the SDA Church." ChristianCourier.com. Access date: May 29, 2018. https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church"
I worked as an attending physician, a psychiatrist... (show quote)

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Atheists will never believe that God exists. They will find all philosophical theories to debunk or negate existence of God. Sounds like the MSM's against president Trump twisting the facts to meet their narratives. It is not worth my time.

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May 30, 2018 04:32:49   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Here is a reliable and professional source for Biblical scholarship and archeology: Associates for Biblical Research

Here is an excellent source for Biblical and Scientific Studies

Here is the source for my favorite Bible Restoration Study Bible

I could give you the phone number of my pastor. He will fill you in on what a "godless heathen atheist" I am.
Here is a reliable and professional source for Bib... (show quote)
An extremist opposite government loving version of Jeramia Wright that loves Pope Francis ? You've got a real self image & understanding of reality problem with your lack of honesty and integrity and insults calling me a Satan worshiper if you think you're some kind of good religious Christian.

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May 30, 2018 04:42:52   #
Steve700
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Now bahmer, Singularity does not believe in the Holy Bible. She is an Atheist. All she had Googled are the works of Atheists, or non-Christian believer, like Jews as well. In addition, not all articles you Google are credible. Most if coming from Atheists will deny any existence of God or destroy the facts.

I think you are the one giving Christians a bad name. By aligning with an Atheists Singularity, you’d rather believe an Atheist. She'll never believe that there is God, and along with the other they called scientific theories, like God's creativity versus evolution. I’ve read all her arguments at OPP, that had proven her as an Atheist.

I think I would give this a two-sided argument to see which justifies the credibility of Christ’s blood on the cross. I believe that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit through the Virgin mother of God. ATHIEST DO NOT BELIEVE ON THAT.
By discrediting Ron Wyatt (did you watch the video?), must also belong to Jews, Muslims, non-believers like Atheists like Singularity, and all Atheists.
================= br Now bahmer, Singularity does ... (show quote)

"All she had Googled are the works of Atheists, or non-Christian believer, like Jews as well. In addition, not all articles you Google are credible. Most if coming from Atheists will deny any existence of God or destroy the facts." ----- That's right and applies to pretty much all of the lefties who all want no personal accountability, and to believe what they want in order to accommodate that attitude.

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May 30, 2018 06:05:40   #
Singularity
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Atheists will never believe that God exists. They will find all philosophical theories to debunk or negate existence of God. Sounds like the MSM's against president Trump twisting the facts to meet their narratives. It is not worth my time.

I will believe in a nanosecond when empiric facts and rational proof substantisting a proposition that supernatural phenomena like gods are demonstrated.

Unfortunately, there is no proof, not a scrap, nor has there ever been. It would therefore be foolish to order one's one and only life around some faith in an unproven fantasy that is not even logically coherent.

I suspect more time is not going to improve your understanding.

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May 30, 2018 06:19:08   #
Singularity
 
Steve700 wrote:
How do you feel about Islam being given a bad name ?????????????? I never heard the more stupid statement than to pass off miraculous things as meaningless by saying once something is observed in science it is thus shown to be natural. You saying "I truly can't stomach the unproven implication that any scientific evidence, at all, ever, has confirmed a supernatural occurance" is just you goihunng into denial saying you don't believe any supernatural occurrences that would prove God, Christ or Christianity ever happened.
How do you feel about Islam being given a bad name... (show quote)

You are basically restating my post, poorly.

I do believe you are too iintellectually and emotionally impaired to hold up your end of this conversation. Folks familiar with you seem to agree.

Knowing of Wyatt's work, I wanted to make sure no one would be fooled into taking it seriously without knowing more of the facts refuting his fantastic claims. You might consider a simple routine Google search of the author's name for any future research claims you post, to spare yourself some chagrin over other's thinking you are somewhat undisciplined and unscholarly. I really have no desire to converse further with you.

Good day, sir.

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May 30, 2018 06:31:11   #
Steve700
 
Singularity wrote:
I will believe in a nanosecond when empiric facts and rational proof substantisting a proposition that supernatural phenomena like gods are demonstrated.

Unfortunately, there is no proof, not a scrap, nor has there ever been. It would therefore be foolish to order one's one and only life around some faith in an unproven fantasy that is not even logically coherent.

I suspect more time is not going to improve your understanding.

You are out of your mind and don't know what you're talking about. The proof is all over the place in many different forms. Which came 1st the chicken or the egg. You can answer that because of the impossibility of it being either one by any other means other than creation. The fact that there are 2 sexes (and with human beings where there is such obvious different roles for each to assume in the cooperative effort of being together) certainly proves a lot, since the reproductive systems of each are incomprehensibly complex. And just why would evolution produce 2 different sexes when it would be so much simpler to just have one sex that reproduces itself. Again, there is no other explanation other than God showing his genius as he gives you proof of his creation in a way that should make it obvious to even someone of low intelligence. I mean, how was the reproduction working in the middle of the evolution of the 2 sets system. Just use your head, because in its simplicity there's only one explanation. But that question is never asked or brought up in the teachings of evolution, because they are trying to prove there is no God, and that little question doesn't fit into their agenda.

Beyond that, fulfilled and fulfilling Bible prophecy is utterly and astronomically way too much of an impossibility to have occurred, as it has by a mere random chance. But of course you don't know the 1st damn thing about that and are unwilling to look into it because you really don't want to know.

Read the book The Harbinger and that alone should convince you because there is no way that those things which have occurred and that you cannot deny could have happened to duplicate to a T, the ancient warnings God gave to Israel to come back to him before he allowed their enemies to overrun them and put them into s***ery. It is that that finally d**gged me out of a lifelong agnosticism and made me a true believer. What I found out about Bible prophecy after that, only reinforced and gave even more substantiation to my new belief.

Time to wake up --- Your eternity depends on it
Time to wake up   ---  Your eternity depends on it...

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May 30, 2018 06:40:24   #
Steve700
 
Singularity wrote:
You are basically restating my post, poorly.

I do believe you are too iintellectually and emotionally impaired to hold up your end of this conversation. Folks familiar with you seem to agree.

Knowing of Wyatt's work, I wanted to make sure no one would be fooled into taking it seriously without knowing more of the facts refuting his fantastic claims. You might consider a simple routine Google search of the author's name for any future research claims you post, to spare yourself some chagrin over other's thinking you are somewhat undisciplined and unscholarly. I really have no desire to converse further with you.

Good day, sir.
You are basically restating my post, poorly. br b... (show quote)

Do you understand that most of the Internet is filled mostly with ATS with a vested interest in trying to disprove God. Read my post just above, with some thought and tell me who is the mentally challenged one.

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