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May 24, 2018 19:37:25   #
rumitoid
 
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim, not Christian. In Islamic theology, it is called Inshallah: Nothing happens without the direct, intervening hand of Allah willing it so. Such as child abuse, rape, the Twin Towers, Trump, Serial k**lers, and no date for the Prom. Is that a loving God (especially on that last point)?

Nowhere in the Bible does it either state or suggest that God is in control. You can go here https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_in_control to find the very best Christian attempt,by scripture, to support the apostasy that God is control, but once you read them, you will see not one asserts that God is control. Yet before I go any further, try to imagine what it means to say God is in control, considering what you think of as control. Let your child be kidnapped, tortured, and murdered if you could prevent it?

Why does the Bible say that God frequently alters his plans, cancels prophecies in the light of changing circumstances, and speaks about the future as a “maybe,” a “perhaps,” or a “possibility”? Why does Scripture describe God as expressing uncertainty about the future, being disappointed in the way things turn out, and even occasionally regretting the outcome of his own decisions?

If you knew what Satan would do, would you have created him? If God foreknew that Adolf Hitler would send six million Jews to their deaths, why did he go ahead and create a man like that? Is he no complicit? How is God not responsible for the behavior of evil people he “unleashes” on the world if, in fact, he is absolutely certain of what they will do once “unleashed”? If God is eternally certain that various individuals will end up being eternally damned, why does he go ahead and create them? And then try to get them to accept what is the lie of his grace throughout their lives—as though there were genuine hope for them? If the future is exhaustively settled in God’s mind, as the classical view holds, why does the Bible repeatedly describe God changing his mind?

Let us not fall into the trap of putting our trust in the static, pagan concept of a bored deity mindlessly watching his pre-planned scenario unfold, and maybe having to wonder what cosmic tragedy he has assigned to us for our "own good." He sees the big picture that we as temporal beings cannot, but He makes it clear that He relates to us according to how we see time. We can understand that from statements such as what He said to Abraham in Genesis 22:12, “Now I know that you fear God.…” If words have meanings, up until that moment God did not absolutely know what Abraham, a free will being, would choose to do.

If a person has genuine free will, then his choices cannot be absolutely known in advance of his decisions to make those choices, even by God—unless, of course, He says differently in His Word, which He does not. Did God have a pretty good idea of what Abraham would do? Certainly. He sovereignly chose to relate to mankind as His Word subsequently declares He does, that is, in a “linear” relationship, experiencing time passing with us.

Think of God more like Bobby Fisher. Bobby Fischer was once the world’s greatest chess player. Suppose you sat down to play him in his prime? Any doubt of the outcome? Would Bobby need to know what your moves were before you did? Nope. Why not? Because it wouldn’t matter at all what you did, he’d have a hundred contingency plans for each move you made. After all, he’s Bobby Fischer, the world’s greatest chess player. Ditto for the world’s greatest God!

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May 24, 2018 19:50:06   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
rumitoid wrote:
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim, not Christian. In Islamic theology, it is called Inshallah: Nothing happens without the direct, intervening hand of Allah willing it so. Such as child abuse, rape, the Twin Towers, Trump, Serial k**lers, and no date for the Prom. Is that a loving God (especially on that last point)?

Nowhere in the Bible does it either state or suggest that God is in control. You can go here https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_in_control to find the very best Christian attempt,by scripture, to support the apostasy that God is control, but once you read them, you will see not one asserts that God is control. Yet before I go any further, try to imagine what it means to say God is in control, considering what you think of as control. Let your child be kidnapped, tortured, and murdered if you could prevent it?

Why does the Bible say that God frequently alters his plans, cancels prophecies in the light of changing circumstances, and speaks about the future as a “maybe,” a “perhaps,” or a “possibility”? Why does Scripture describe God as expressing uncertainty about the future, being disappointed in the way things turn out, and even occasionally regretting the outcome of his own decisions?

If you knew what Satan would do, would you have created him? If God foreknew that Adolf Hitler would send six million Jews to their deaths, why did he go ahead and create a man like that? Is he no complicit? How is God not responsible for the behavior of evil people he “unleashes” on the world if, in fact, he is absolutely certain of what they will do once “unleashed”? If God is eternally certain that various individuals will end up being eternally damned, why does he go ahead and create them? And then try to get them to accept what is the lie of his grace throughout their lives—as though there were genuine hope for them? If the future is exhaustively settled in God’s mind, as the classical view holds, why does the Bible repeatedly describe God changing his mind?

Let us not fall into the trap of putting our trust in the static, pagan concept of a bored deity mindlessly watching his pre-planned scenario unfold, and maybe having to wonder what cosmic tragedy he has assigned to us for our "own good." He sees the big picture that we as temporal beings cannot, but He makes it clear that He relates to us according to how we see time. We can understand that from statements such as what He said to Abraham in Genesis 22:12, “Now I know that you fear God.…” If words have meanings, up until that moment God did not absolutely know what Abraham, a free will being, would choose to do.

If a person has genuine free will, then his choices cannot be absolutely known in advance of his decisions to make those choices, even by God—unless, of course, He says differently in His Word, which He does not. Did God have a pretty good idea of what Abraham would do? Certainly. He sovereignly chose to relate to mankind as His Word subsequently declares He does, that is, in a “linear” relationship, experiencing time passing with us.

Think of God more like Bobby Fisher. Bobby Fischer was once the world’s greatest chess player. Suppose you sat down to play him in his prime? Any doubt of the outcome? Would Bobby need to know what your moves were before you did? Nope. Why not? Because it wouldn’t matter at all what you did, he’d have a hundred contingency plans for each move you made. After all, he’s Bobby Fischer, the world’s greatest chess player. Ditto for the world’s greatest God!
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim... (show quote)


God is in control.



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May 24, 2018 20:44:32   #
rumitoid
 
Bad Bob wrote:
God is in control.


Okay. As-salāmu ʿalaykum.

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May 24, 2018 21:26:09   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
I don't know what faith your are. I don't know what Bible your reading from. It's not my faith or the Bible I read. I have to respect your opinions, to a point. I wish I had the time now to respond to this post. I have to go to work. I'm saving this, maybe this week-end I'll be able to address your statements. I will say that this was an attack on God, from someone that has no true understanding of who and what the nature of God is.
rumitoid wrote:
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim, not Christian. In Islamic theology, it is called Inshallah: Nothing happens without the direct, intervening hand of Allah willing it so. Such as child abuse, rape, the Twin Towers, Trump, Serial k**lers, and no date for the Prom. Is that a loving God (especially on that last point)?

Nowhere in the Bible does it either state or suggest that God is in control. You can go here https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_in_control to find the very best Christian attempt,by scripture, to support the apostasy that God is control, but once you read them, you will see not one asserts that God is control. Yet before I go any further, try to imagine what it means to say God is in control, considering what you think of as control. Let your child be kidnapped, tortured, and murdered if you could prevent it?

Why does the Bible say that God frequently alters his plans, cancels prophecies in the light of changing circumstances, and speaks about the future as a “maybe,” a “perhaps,” or a “possibility”? Why does Scripture describe God as expressing uncertainty about the future, being disappointed in the way things turn out, and even occasionally regretting the outcome of his own decisions?

If you knew what Satan would do, would you have created him? If God foreknew that Adolf Hitler would send six million Jews to their deaths, why did he go ahead and create a man like that? Is he no complicit? How is God not responsible for the behavior of evil people he “unleashes” on the world if, in fact, he is absolutely certain of what they will do once “unleashed”? If God is eternally certain that various individuals will end up being eternally damned, why does he go ahead and create them? And then try to get them to accept what is the lie of his grace throughout their lives—as though there were genuine hope for them? If the future is exhaustively settled in God’s mind, as the classical view holds, why does the Bible repeatedly describe God changing his mind?

Let us not fall into the trap of putting our trust in the static, pagan concept of a bored deity mindlessly watching his pre-planned scenario unfold, and maybe having to wonder what cosmic tragedy he has assigned to us for our "own good." He sees the big picture that we as temporal beings cannot, but He makes it clear that He relates to us according to how we see time. We can understand that from statements such as what He said to Abraham in Genesis 22:12, “Now I know that you fear God.…” If words have meanings, up until that moment God did not absolutely know what Abraham, a free will being, would choose to do.

If a person has genuine free will, then his choices cannot be absolutely known in advance of his decisions to make those choices, even by God—unless, of course, He says differently in His Word, which He does not. Did God have a pretty good idea of what Abraham would do? Certainly. He sovereignly chose to relate to mankind as His Word subsequently declares He does, that is, in a “linear” relationship, experiencing time passing with us.

Think of God more like Bobby Fisher. Bobby Fischer was once the world’s greatest chess player. Suppose you sat down to play him in his prime? Any doubt of the outcome? Would Bobby need to know what your moves were before you did? Nope. Why not? Because it wouldn’t matter at all what you did, he’d have a hundred contingency plans for each move you made. After all, he’s Bobby Fischer, the world’s greatest chess player. Ditto for the world’s greatest God!
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim... (show quote)

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May 24, 2018 22:26:34   #
rumitoid
 
PLT Sarge wrote:
I don't know what faith your are. I don't know what Bible your reading from. It's not my faith or the Bible I read. I have to respect your opinions, to a point. I wish I had the time now to respond to this post. I have to go to work. I'm saving this, maybe this week-end I'll be able to address your statements. I will say that this was an attack on God, from someone that has no true understanding of who and what the nature of God is.


I would welcome your input.

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May 24, 2018 23:58:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Isaiah 41:10

God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.
Psalm 46:1

Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 4:6-7

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The One who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18

When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought joy to my soul.
Psalm 94:19

Do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
Luke 12:22-26

The Lord is my light and my salvation – whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life – of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1

Then He placed His right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Revelation 1:17

Blessed be the Lord my strength, who teacheth my hands to war and my fingers to fight
Psalm 144: 1

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:17

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May 25, 2018 05:35:14   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Isaiah 41:10

God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.
Psalm 46:1

Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 4:6-7

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The One who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18

When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought joy to my soul.
Psalm 94:19

Do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
Luke 12:22-26

The Lord is my light and my salvation – whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life – of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1

Then He placed His right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Revelation 1:17

Blessed be the Lord my strength, who teacheth my hands to war and my fingers to fight
Psalm 144: 1

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:17
i So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be di... (show quote)


Amen!

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May 25, 2018 08:24:08   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Isaiah 41:10

God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.
Psalm 46:1

Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 4:6-7

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The One who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18

When anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought joy to my soul.
Psalm 94:19

Do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
Luke 12:22-26

The Lord is my light and my salvation – whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life – of whom shall I be afraid?
Psalm 27:1

Then He placed His right hand on me and said: Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
Revelation 1:17

Blessed be the Lord my strength, who teacheth my hands to war and my fingers to fight
Psalm 144: 1

No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Isaiah 54:17
i So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be di... (show quote)

=================
Good morning Blade. I love what you just wrote.
I hope the Godless left will read it.

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May 25, 2018 08:46:39   #
dune
 
rumitoid wrote:
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim, not Christian. In Islamic theology, it is called Inshallah: Nothing happens without the direct, intervening hand of Allah willing it so. Such as child abuse, rape, the Twin Towers, Trump, Serial k**lers, and no date for the Prom. Is that a loving God (especially on that last point)?

Nowhere in the Bible does it either state or suggest that God is in control. You can go here https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_in_control to find the very best Christian attempt,by scripture, to support the apostasy that God is control, but once you read them, you will see not one asserts that God is control. Yet before I go any further, try to imagine what it means to say God is in control, considering what you think of as control. Let your child be kidnapped, tortured, and murdered if you could prevent it?

Why does the Bible say that God frequently alters his plans, cancels prophecies in the light of changing circumstances, and speaks about the future as a “maybe,” a “perhaps,” or a “possibility”? Why does Scripture describe God as expressing uncertainty about the future, being disappointed in the way things turn out, and even occasionally regretting the outcome of his own decisions?

If you knew what Satan would do, would you have created him? If God foreknew that Adolf Hitler would send six million Jews to their deaths, why did he go ahead and create a man like that? Is he no complicit? How is God not responsible for the behavior of evil people he “unleashes” on the world if, in fact, he is absolutely certain of what they will do once “unleashed”? If God is eternally certain that various individuals will end up being eternally damned, why does he go ahead and create them? And then try to get them to accept what is the lie of his grace throughout their lives—as though there were genuine hope for them? If the future is exhaustively settled in God’s mind, as the classical view holds, why does the Bible repeatedly describe God changing his mind?

Let us not fall into the trap of putting our trust in the static, pagan concept of a bored deity mindlessly watching his pre-planned scenario unfold, and maybe having to wonder what cosmic tragedy he has assigned to us for our "own good." He sees the big picture that we as temporal beings cannot, but He makes it clear that He relates to us according to how we see time. We can understand that from statements such as what He said to Abraham in Genesis 22:12, “Now I know that you fear God.…” If words have meanings, up until that moment God did not absolutely know what Abraham, a free will being, would choose to do.

If a person has genuine free will, then his choices cannot be absolutely known in advance of his decisions to make those choices, even by God—unless, of course, He says differently in His Word, which He does not. Did God have a pretty good idea of what Abraham would do? Certainly. He sovereignly chose to relate to mankind as His Word subsequently declares He does, that is, in a “linear” relationship, experiencing time passing with us.

Think of God more like Bobby Fisher. Bobby Fischer was once the world’s greatest chess player. Suppose you sat down to play him in his prime? Any doubt of the outcome? Would Bobby need to know what your moves were before you did? Nope. Why not? Because it wouldn’t matter at all what you did, he’d have a hundred contingency plans for each move you made. After all, he’s Bobby Fischer, the world’s greatest chess player. Ditto for the world’s greatest God!
If God is in control, it means that you are Muslim... (show quote)



I have a different take on prophecies. Prophecies is not God controlling the outcome of the future, it is God looking at what has happened and letting you know so that you have an idea of where you are headed and why. God is outside our time line so he doesn't reach these conclusions through control but just see's them. If God wants to effect our reality he does "JESUS CHRIST" is just one of those effects, the only one on earth that brought himself back from the dead and that is why people follow him, they also don't want to die forever.

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May 25, 2018 09:11:22   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Good morning Blade. I love what you just wrote.
I hope the Godless left will read it.


Good morning Radiance3



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May 25, 2018 09:17:18   #
Radiance3
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Good morning Radiance3


================
Do not scare me with you image bad bob!

You are an agitator for the democrats.

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May 25, 2018 09:27:43   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Do not scare me with you image bad bob!

You are an agitator for the democrats.


I only agitate wackos with the t***h.

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May 25, 2018 09:58:26   #
bahmer
 
Bad Bob wrote:
I only agitate wackos with the t***h.


You have no t***h in you.

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May 25, 2018 10:33:04   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
bahmer wrote:
You have no t***h in you.


God is not the cause of Bad Bobs evil, but he is allowing him to exersise his free will to choose it. Alas, sorry Bob, but even your bad will be used to achieve Gods purpose. Sad you are choosing such a dark future for yourself. There is still time.

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May 25, 2018 10:38:24   #
bahmer
 
out of the woods wrote:
God is not the cause of Bad Bobs evil, but he is allowing him to exersise his free will to choose it. Alas, sorry Bob, but even your bad will be used to achieve Gods purpose. Sad you are choosing such a dark future for yourself. There is still time.


In most cases it will take a calamity of a large magnitude to make some really evaluate the path that they are now on and then change directions. In my life I have had few that came to me and want to know the t***h and to change their path and they were usually when they were facing death or what they perceived as death.

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