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May 20, 2018 21:58:54   #
rumitoid
 
Do something! Their children were murdered because our government has failed in doing something about our out of control and rampant gun violence. Yes, out of control and rampant--and shockingly so. The United States is the gun-violence murder capital of the Free World. Six times more than Canada. "Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama." Not encouraging. Compare that to Scandinavian Countries who are Welfare/Capitalist. We are almost twenty times worse.

To give you a sense of how unusual America’s gun violence problem is, consider the daily death toll compared with other Western democracies. The chart below imagines that the populations of those countries were the same as the population of the United States. Homicides per day, America is around an average of thirty. Greece, Canada, Ireland, Finland, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Germany, Australia, Lithuania, and Iceland are all less than five per day and considerably smaller. 6 Times and more of those nations mentioned. Think about that while you cuddle your AR-15 in bed tonight.

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May 20, 2018 22:33:52   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
Where's The Chart ??
How Is It You Constantly Fail To Post Links Or Credits To Your Copy/Paste Op-Ed's ??
Is There A Reason You Leave Out The Violent Crime Rate In Switzerland ??



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May 20, 2018 22:41:00   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
We All Know No Law Is Pro-Active
Laws Can't Stop Criminals From Committing Crimes

So Spell Out Your Solution For Stopping Murder

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May 20, 2018 22:48:29   #
rumitoid
 
karpenter wrote:
Where's The Chart ??
How Is It You Constantly Fail To Post Links Or Credits To Your Copy/Paste Op-Ed's ??


Follow my posts. Almost always I have links or credits, one of a few here that do so. On an opinion piece, not really necessary. "Constantly" is pure BS. I could not copy the chart but relayed what the chart said. As a supposed sentient being, you could google it yourself.

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May 20, 2018 22:49:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Think about that while you cuddle your AR-15 in bed tonight.
OK. No problemo, Kemo sabe.

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May 20, 2018 22:51:58   #
rumitoid
 
karpenter wrote:
We All Know No Law Is Pro-Active
Laws Can't Stop Criminals From Committing Crimes

So Spell Out Your Solution For Stopping Murder


Re-fund the Government sponsored research into weapon violence that Trump nixed. For starters.

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May 20, 2018 22:59:56   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Almost always I have links or credits, one of a few here that do so. On an opinion piece, not really necessary. "Constantly" is pure BS. I could not copy the chart but relayed what the chart said. As a supposed sentient being, you could google it yourself.
How About A 'LINK' To Where The Chart IS ??
(Your 'BS' Is Showing)
I'll Try To Post It FOR You....

About Your Solution For Stopping Murder
Care To Address That ??

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May 20, 2018 23:06:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Re-fund the Government sponsored research into weapon violence that Trump nixed. For starters.
The FBI keeps the stats pretty much up to date. Latest FBI Crime Stats Don’t Support Gun Control

The latest FBI crime statistics are out. The usual suspects are poring over the data, looking for justification for their anti-gun agenda. The resulting spin is nothing less than dizzying. For example, the chart above — created by our good friends at The Trace — shows that the criminal use of rifles has declined both generally and as a percentage of the types of firearms used in crimes. Now you and I would look at that and conclude . . .

that the data doesn’t support gun control advocates’ ongoing campaign to ban “assault rifles” (setting aside the irrelevance of any data given Americans’ Second Amendment protections). The Trace has a different take . . .

It’s not surprising that handgun homicides account for most of the elevation in the national murder rates over the past two years. Following a sea change in the legal gun market, as gun companies cater to those who buy weapons to defend themselves from other people, the supply of handguns to the black market has also expanded.

Once again, criminals use handguns because they’re easy to conceal. Full stop. Anything suggesting anything else is either delusional, willfully ignorant or anti-gun rights agenda-driven.

Speaking of “assault rifle” regulation, there’s one in place in California. In fact, the Golden State has more and more unconstitutional gun control laws than any other state. So how’s that working out for them?

FBI: Violent crime up in California and US for 2nd straight year the headline at sfgate.com proclaims, careful to add “and the US” to ameliorate the failure of the state’s law enforcement and gun control regime.

Talk about spin; the news org doesn’t reveal the actual rise (4.1 percent) until the twelfth paragraph. And before that, yup, you guessed it, there’s a shot at President Trump.

But the recent jumps, while prompting concern and a search for causes, do not reflect a picture of spiraling lawlessness suggested by some observers, criminologists said. President Trump earlier this year falsely claimed the U.S. murder rate had surged to its highest level in nearly 50 years.

Violent crime and property crime rates, instead, were uneven across the Bay Area and the country, with some local jurisdictions reporting falling numbers year-to-year, and nearly all of them seeing crime rates that are well off the historical highs of decades ago.

Here’s the only bit where “reporter” Evan Sernoffsky focuses on the surge in violent crime.

In the region’s largest city, San Jose, violent crime went up 13 percent from 2015 to 2016 and homicides rose from 30 to 47. San Jose, though, remains relatively safe among big cities.

Fail. Epic fail. Epic gun control fail. Violent crime is up in every major city with “strict” (i.e. unconstitutional) gun control. Check out this lipstick on a pig headline: FBI: Violent crime up in Seattle and Washington in 2016, but murders specifically down. Or this: How some local law enforcement agencies are making headway in reducing violent crimes.

Violent crime is up. As usual, cities with gangs and gun control are spearheading the rise. Gun rights restoration alone may not solve the problem, but it’s clear that gun control is not the solution. As if you didn’t know.

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May 20, 2018 23:13:55   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
karpenter wrote:
We All Know No Law Is Pro-Active
Laws Can't Stop Criminals From Committing Crimes

So Spell Out Your Solution For Stopping Murder
rumitoid wrote:
Re-fund the Government sponsored research into weapon violence that Trump nixed. For starters.
Researching Won't Stop A Single K*****g
You're Running From The Question

Spell Out Your Specific Solutions To Stop Murder
You've Posted Plenty On This Subject, And Have Had Plenty Of Time To Formulate A Solution
Let's Have It

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May 21, 2018 00:48:13   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
The FBI keeps the stats pretty much up to date. Latest FBI Crime Stats Don’t Support Gun Control

The latest FBI crime statistics are out. The usual suspects are poring over the data, looking for justification for their anti-gun agenda. The resulting spin is nothing less than dizzying. For example, the chart above — created by our good friends at The Trace — shows that the criminal use of rifles has declined both generally and as a percentage of the types of firearms used in crimes. Now you and I would look at that and conclude . . .

that the data doesn’t support gun control advocates’ ongoing campaign to ban “assault rifles” (setting aside the irrelevance of any data given Americans’ Second Amendment protections). The Trace has a different take . . .

It’s not surprising that handgun homicides account for most of the elevation in the national murder rates over the past two years. Following a sea change in the legal gun market, as gun companies cater to those who buy weapons to defend themselves from other people, the supply of handguns to the black market has also expanded.

Once again, criminals use handguns because they’re easy to conceal. Full stop. Anything suggesting anything else is either delusional, willfully ignorant or anti-gun rights agenda-driven.

Speaking of “assault rifle” regulation, there’s one in place in California. In fact, the Golden State has more and more unconstitutional gun control laws than any other state. So how’s that working out for them?

FBI: Violent crime up in California and US for 2nd straight year the headline at sfgate.com proclaims, careful to add “and the US” to ameliorate the failure of the state’s law enforcement and gun control regime.

Talk about spin; the news org doesn’t reveal the actual rise (4.1 percent) until the twelfth paragraph. And before that, yup, you guessed it, there’s a shot at President Trump.

But the recent jumps, while prompting concern and a search for causes, do not reflect a picture of spiraling lawlessness suggested by some observers, criminologists said. President Trump earlier this year falsely claimed the U.S. murder rate had surged to its highest level in nearly 50 years.

Violent crime and property crime rates, instead, were uneven across the Bay Area and the country, with some local jurisdictions reporting falling numbers year-to-year, and nearly all of them seeing crime rates that are well off the historical highs of decades ago.

Here’s the only bit where “reporter” Evan Sernoffsky focuses on the surge in violent crime.

In the region’s largest city, San Jose, violent crime went up 13 percent from 2015 to 2016 and homicides rose from 30 to 47. San Jose, though, remains relatively safe among big cities.

Fail. Epic fail. Epic gun control fail. Violent crime is up in every major city with “strict” (i.e. unconstitutional) gun control. Check out this lipstick on a pig headline: FBI: Violent crime up in Seattle and Washington in 2016, but murders specifically down. Or this: How some local law enforcement agencies are making headway in reducing violent crimes.

Violent crime is up. As usual, cities with gangs and gun control are spearheading the rise. Gun rights restoration alone may not solve the problem, but it’s clear that gun control is not the solution. As if you didn’t know.
The FBI keeps the stats pretty much up to date. u... (show quote)


Chicago is the premier case in point. It has both the most strict gun laws and the most gun-related crimes, especially deaths. If there is a solution to these deaths in the nation, gun control laws do not do the job, so what does do it?

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May 21, 2018 07:40:32   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
rumitoid wrote:
Do something! Their children were murdered because our government has failed in doing something about our out of control and rampant gun violence. Yes, out of control and rampant--and shockingly so. The United States is the gun-violence murder capital of the Free World. Six times more than Canada. "Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama." Not encouraging. Compare that to Scandinavian Countries who are Welfare/Capitalist. We are almost twenty times worse.

To give you a sense of how unusual America’s gun violence problem is, consider the daily death toll compared with other Western democracies. The chart below imagines that the populations of those countries were the same as the population of the United States. Homicides per day, America is around an average of thirty. Greece, Canada, Ireland, Finland, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Germany, Australia, Lithuania, and Iceland are all less than five per day and considerably smaller. 6 Times and more of those nations mentioned. Think about that while you cuddle your AR-15 in bed tonight.
Do something! Their children were murdered because... (show quote)



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May 21, 2018 07:47:19   #
Kevyn
 
karpenter wrote:
Where's The Chart ??
How Is It You Constantly Fail To Post Links Or Credits To Your Copy/Paste Op-Ed's ??
Is There A Reason You Leave Out The Violent Crime Rate In Switzerland ??

We should adopt Switzerland’s laws on firearms, they work well and American gun owners seem to like them. Call your congressman and demand they support legislation giving Americans the safety and freedom afforded Switzerland’s citizens.

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May 21, 2018 09:11:15   #
jelun
 
How about you? Where is the article you claim is being C&Ped?
I did a search and found no page ...



karpenter wrote:
Where's The Chart ??
How Is It You Constantly Fail To Post Links Or Credits To Your Copy/Paste Op-Ed's ??
Is There A Reason You Leave Out The Violent Crime Rate In Switzerland ??

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May 21, 2018 09:13:47   #
jelun
 
That attempt at deflection is so tired.
The surrounding area ...you know the response.
There is a solution to those deaths, make cops turn in their weapons at the end of their shifts.


Manning345 wrote:
Chicago is the premier case in point. It has both the most strict gun laws and the most gun-related crimes, especially deaths. If there is a solution to these deaths in the nation, gun control laws do not do the job, so what does do it?

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May 21, 2018 09:38:12   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
Do something! Their children were murdered because our government has failed in doing something about our out of control and rampant gun violence. Yes, out of control and rampant--and shockingly so. The United States is the gun-violence murder capital of the Free World. Six times more than Canada. "Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama." Not encouraging. Compare that to Scandinavian Countries who are Welfare/Capitalist. We are almost twenty times worse.

To give you a sense of how unusual America’s gun violence problem is, consider the daily death toll compared with other Western democracies. The chart below imagines that the populations of those countries were the same as the population of the United States. Homicides per day, America is around an average of thirty. Greece, Canada, Ireland, Finland, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Germany, Australia, Lithuania, and Iceland are all less than five per day and considerably smaller. 6 Times and more of those nations mentioned. Think about that while you cuddle your AR-15 in bed tonight.
Do something! Their children were murdered because... (show quote)


Your op-ed copy and paste is pure bulls**t! Law abiding gun owners are NOT the problem. It is not a crime to sleep with one's AR-15. Deranged, criminally minded and/or chemically impaired individuals are the problem and restricting legal, law abiding gun ownership will do absolutely nothing to stop deranged, criminally and /or chemically impaired from committing their violent, murderous crimes. I don't give a s**t what gun laws are passed or even if guns are totally banned guns will never be totally eliminated. Has no one ever noticed the correlation in the increased use of pharmaceuticals to treat imaginary problems of children and then years later their inability to cope with the pressures of adolescence and adulthood without resorting to violence? Blaming an inanimate object for someone's actions is stupidity at best. Before guns are blamed why aren't parents, doctors and big pharmaceutical corporations blamed.

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