E*******l College Debacle....
May 19, 2018 12:49:56 #
Connecticut Subverts the E*******l College, Rejecting Its Own History
Tara Ross
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy is expected to sign the National Popular V**e compact, making Connecticut the 11th state to adopt the measure. (Photo: Cheriss May/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/Newscom)
Opponents of the E*******l College achieved an important victory last weekend when Connecticut’s legislature passed the so-called National Popular V**e compact. Democratic Gov. Dannel P. Malloy is expected to sign the measure.
Most Americans have never heard of the National Popular V**e compact, but it is shockingly close to causing a major political and legal firestorm. It is a clever scheme to change how we elect the president without the bother of having to pass a constitutional amendment.
States that approve this legislation enter a simple compact with one another. Each participating state agrees to allocate its e*****rs to the winner of the national popular v**e regardless of how its own citizens v**ed. The compact goes into effect when states holding 270 e*******l v**es (enough to win the presidency) have agreed to the plan.
With Connecticut’s v**e, 11 states and the District of Columbia have now approved the measure, giving the compact a total of 172 e*****rs. It needs only 98 more to reach the 270 mark.
>>> Purchase Tara Ross’ book, “The Indispensable Guide to the E*******l College, Destroying the E*******l College”
The Constitution State has drifted far from its roots. What would Founders such as Roger Sherman think? That Connecticut statesman was an influential delegate at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. The Great Compromise—sometimes called the Connecticut Compromise— which gave Congress its bicameral structure, might never have been brokered without him.
Moreover, Sherman was one of many delegates from small states who refused to go along with the idea of a direct popular v**e for the presidency. He knew that little Connecticut would be outv**ed time and time again. The people at large, Sherman told the Convention, “will generally v**e for some man in their own state, and the largest state will have the best chance for the appointment.”
His words reflected the sentiments of other small state delegates.
“An e******n by the people [is] liable to the most obvious and striking objections,” Charles Pinckney of South Carolina said. “They will be led by a few active and designing men. The most populous states by combining in favor of the same individual will be able to carry their points.”
Hugh Williamson of North Carolina added that “[t]he people will be sure to v**e for some man in their own state, and the largest state will be sure to succeed.”
Another delegate was much more direct. “I do not, gentlemen, trust you,” Gunning Bedford of Delaware blasted. “If you possess the power, the abuse of it could not be checked; and what then would prevent you from exercising it to our destruction?”
His statement was strong, but it reflected the fear felt by every small-state delegate in the room.
>>> “Destroying the E*******l College: The Anti-Federalist National Popular V**e Scheme”
The 2016 e******n showed just how reasonable those fears were. Much has been made of Hillary
Clinton’s victory in the national popular v**e, but less attention has been paid to where she achieved that victory.
More than 20 percent of Clinton’s 65.8 million v**es came from only two states: New York and California. Indeed, if we remove those states from the national tally, Clinton loses by more than three 3 million v**es.
Such a lopsided result is not what she had in mind, of course, and she surely wishes that she could move some of those v**es to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. She needed to diversify her support in order to win because of the E*******l College. She failed to do that.
Now imagine what Clinton—or any candidate—could do without the restraints inherent in the E*******l College system.
If Clinton reaped a reward from those landslide victories in Los Angeles and New York City, wouldn’t she have worked even harder to run up her tallies there? Why would she make extra visits to Rust Belt states if she could make up the v**es with massive v**er drives in the big cities?
With the E*******l College, the Democratic Party received a firm reminder not to take those states for granted. Without the E*******l College, such states—which make up vast swaths of the e*****rate—could simply be ignored.
>>> Liberals Claim E*******l College Is Biased. Here Are the Facts.
The 1888 e******n taught a similar lesson. Landslide margins in a few Southern states gave
Grover Cleveland the edge in the national popular v**e. But lopsided regional support wasn’t enough to win him the White House. He learned from his mistakes and came back to win in 1892.
The E*******l College discourages overreliance on a single kind of v**er. That’s healthy in a country as diverse as ours. It ensures that small states and less populated parts of the country can make themselves heard. It encourages p**********l candidates to build diverse coalitions.
These are principles that Roger Sherman understood so well. He surely wouldn’t understand the decision made by his own state last weekend.
Connecticut has joined an effort to subvert a constitutional institution, even as it attempts an end run around the constitutional amendment process. The Constitution State may no longer be worthy of its name.
If democrats just can't win on there socialist c*******t principles then violate the Constitution! The Supreme Court will nip this one in the bud!!!!!
Tara Ross
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy is expected to sign the National Popular V**e compact, making Connecticut the 11th state to adopt the measure. (Photo: Cheriss May/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/Newscom)
Opponents of the E*******l College achieved an important victory last weekend when Connecticut’s legislature passed the so-called National Popular V**e compact. Democratic Gov. Dannel P. Malloy is expected to sign the measure.
Most Americans have never heard of the National Popular V**e compact, but it is shockingly close to causing a major political and legal firestorm. It is a clever scheme to change how we elect the president without the bother of having to pass a constitutional amendment.
States that approve this legislation enter a simple compact with one another. Each participating state agrees to allocate its e*****rs to the winner of the national popular v**e regardless of how its own citizens v**ed. The compact goes into effect when states holding 270 e*******l v**es (enough to win the presidency) have agreed to the plan.
With Connecticut’s v**e, 11 states and the District of Columbia have now approved the measure, giving the compact a total of 172 e*****rs. It needs only 98 more to reach the 270 mark.
>>> Purchase Tara Ross’ book, “The Indispensable Guide to the E*******l College, Destroying the E*******l College”
The Constitution State has drifted far from its roots. What would Founders such as Roger Sherman think? That Connecticut statesman was an influential delegate at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. The Great Compromise—sometimes called the Connecticut Compromise— which gave Congress its bicameral structure, might never have been brokered without him.
Moreover, Sherman was one of many delegates from small states who refused to go along with the idea of a direct popular v**e for the presidency. He knew that little Connecticut would be outv**ed time and time again. The people at large, Sherman told the Convention, “will generally v**e for some man in their own state, and the largest state will have the best chance for the appointment.”
His words reflected the sentiments of other small state delegates.
“An e******n by the people [is] liable to the most obvious and striking objections,” Charles Pinckney of South Carolina said. “They will be led by a few active and designing men. The most populous states by combining in favor of the same individual will be able to carry their points.”
Hugh Williamson of North Carolina added that “[t]he people will be sure to v**e for some man in their own state, and the largest state will be sure to succeed.”
Another delegate was much more direct. “I do not, gentlemen, trust you,” Gunning Bedford of Delaware blasted. “If you possess the power, the abuse of it could not be checked; and what then would prevent you from exercising it to our destruction?”
His statement was strong, but it reflected the fear felt by every small-state delegate in the room.
>>> “Destroying the E*******l College: The Anti-Federalist National Popular V**e Scheme”
The 2016 e******n showed just how reasonable those fears were. Much has been made of Hillary
Clinton’s victory in the national popular v**e, but less attention has been paid to where she achieved that victory.
More than 20 percent of Clinton’s 65.8 million v**es came from only two states: New York and California. Indeed, if we remove those states from the national tally, Clinton loses by more than three 3 million v**es.
Such a lopsided result is not what she had in mind, of course, and she surely wishes that she could move some of those v**es to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. She needed to diversify her support in order to win because of the E*******l College. She failed to do that.
Now imagine what Clinton—or any candidate—could do without the restraints inherent in the E*******l College system.
If Clinton reaped a reward from those landslide victories in Los Angeles and New York City, wouldn’t she have worked even harder to run up her tallies there? Why would she make extra visits to Rust Belt states if she could make up the v**es with massive v**er drives in the big cities?
With the E*******l College, the Democratic Party received a firm reminder not to take those states for granted. Without the E*******l College, such states—which make up vast swaths of the e*****rate—could simply be ignored.
>>> Liberals Claim E*******l College Is Biased. Here Are the Facts.
The 1888 e******n taught a similar lesson. Landslide margins in a few Southern states gave
Grover Cleveland the edge in the national popular v**e. But lopsided regional support wasn’t enough to win him the White House. He learned from his mistakes and came back to win in 1892.
The E*******l College discourages overreliance on a single kind of v**er. That’s healthy in a country as diverse as ours. It ensures that small states and less populated parts of the country can make themselves heard. It encourages p**********l candidates to build diverse coalitions.
These are principles that Roger Sherman understood so well. He surely wouldn’t understand the decision made by his own state last weekend.
Connecticut has joined an effort to subvert a constitutional institution, even as it attempts an end run around the constitutional amendment process. The Constitution State may no longer be worthy of its name.
If democrats just can't win on there socialist c*******t principles then violate the Constitution! The Supreme Court will nip this one in the bud!!!!!
May 19, 2018 14:40:00 #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Connecticut Subverts the E*******l College, Reject... (show quote)
People whose ideas win the popular v**e but lose the e*******l are sure to prefer this process, no matter on which side of the fence one sits.
The e*******l college was designed to give small states a voice when there was no other way for them to be fairly represented. I think this is no longer the case. What the e*******l college does now is to unfairly diminish the voice of the people of larger states. It should be no surprise that the conservative right should wish to keep it. The most populous states are predominately liberal, and conservatives, having no other way to dominate, are dependent on this system to keep their ideological power. This despite the clear popular mandate of the country as a whole to forge a path otherwise.
May 19, 2018 15:15:08 #
Issutton, In general, I am not a big fan of the e*******l college. I think it is basically anti democratic, because it goes against the one man, one v**e idea. Having said that, it does give states that have small populations and rural states a voice that they would normally not have. Hard call, but I'm sure there must be a better and fairer way to do this.
The e*******l college was incorporated into the US Constitution during the convention because the founding fathers were afraid of too much democracy.
The e*******l college was incorporated into the US Constitution during the convention because the founding fathers were afraid of too much democracy.
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Connecticut Subverts the E*******l College, Reject... (show quote)
May 19, 2018 17:47:54 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Issutton, In general, I am not a big fan of the e*... (show quote)
paul and salt: You both miss the point of the legislation! It's illegal in its approach, and must find its way through the Federal Congress! Two liberal cities ( Los Angeles and New York City,) gave the democrats the popular v**e; the Country at large will not except that kind of democracy for the simple fact we are a Republic! A lot of taxpayer money being wasted on this folly! If it continues and approaches anywhere near the 270 range; action will be taken against it per the Constitution!
May 19, 2018 21:30:07 #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
paul and salt: You both miss the point of the legislation! It's illegal in its approach, and must find its way through the Federal Congress! Two liberal cities ( Los Angeles and New York City,) gave the democrats the popular v**e; the Country at large will not except that kind of democracy for the simple fact we are a Republic! A lot of taxpayer money being wasted on this folly! If it continues and approaches anywhere near the 270 range; action will be taken against it per the Constitution!
As outside-the-box as this scheme appears, I am not as certain as you that it is unconstitutional.
The 12th Amendment seems to only prescribe the number of e*****rs and that their v**es, rather than the popular v**e, determine the president and vice president. The amendment neither guarantees that e*******l v**es will be cast based on a state's popular v**e (it has happened, though rarely, that an e*****r has not followed their state's e******n results) nor restricts the way a state determines how its v**es will be cast.
This intriguing concept may just pass constitutional muster.
May 19, 2018 23:55:50 #
PaulPisces wrote:
As outside-the-box as this scheme appears, I am no... (show quote)
Nice try, but Homie don't think so! John Turley, Mark Levin, and Thomas Sowell think you're logic is pumping sand!
May 20, 2018 00:13:20 #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Nice try, but Homie don't think so! John Turley, Mark Levin, and Thomas Sowell think you're logic is pumping sand!
I'll accept consideration of John Turley's commentary on The Constitution since he is a professor of law at Georgetown. But Levin is a commentator on Fox, which qualifies him as a f**e-news stoogie in my opinion. And Sowell is an economist.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
May 20, 2018 00:53:09 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Issutton, In general, I am not a big fan of the e*... (show quote)
The E*******l College IS anti-democracy, why the hell do you think our founder's incorporated it in the Constitution? Damn right our founders shunned a democracy, they had very good reasons. Do you even have any idea what a democracy really is?
Perhaps a 10 minute education,
Republic vs Democracy
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.
Samuel Adams
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average v**er.
Winston Churchill
May 20, 2018 01:11:40 #
PaulPisces wrote:
Mark Levin is a "f**e news stooge"??? Oh, good grief.I'll accept consideration of John Turley's commentary on The Constitution since he is a professor of law at Georgetown. But Levin is a commentator on Fox, which qualifies him as a f**e-news stoogie in my opinion. And Sowell is an economist.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
Mark Levin served 8 years as AG Ed Meese's Chief of Staff during the Reagan administration, he is an accomplished lawyer and a constitutional scholar without peer. Levin knows more about the history of our founding, its meaning and purpose than all the media sock puppets and 95% of those serving in the federal government combined. He is the author of nine best selling books, most of which made the Number 1 best seller lists. I hardly think he is a f**e news stooge.
May 20, 2018 06:56:36 #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Connecticut Subverts the E*******l College, Reject... (show quote)
Let these rogue states elect their demorat president and then round up these subversive fools with their president (probably v**e in corrupt ovommit again) and ship them over to North Korea to coexist with the peaceful dictator. They can show Kim what a real demorat run state looks like. Unfortunately, Kim Un will be torturing them, enslaving them, starving them, and murdering them and the totalitarian minded dimwits will have lost to a more ruthless dictator.
May 20, 2018 07:01:12 #
PaulPisces wrote:
I'll accept consideration of John Turley's commentary on The Constitution since he is a professor of law at Georgetown. But Levin is a commentator on Fox, which qualifies him as a f**e-news stoogie in my opinion. And Sowell is an economist.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
I am a homegrow, red blooded, pro American patriot and our founders had it right. The e*******l college is the best way to elect a president and I said so, so it stands. All other people with opposing opinions can move to Venezuela or Cuba.
May 20, 2018 07:03:09 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
The E*******l College IS anti-democracy, why the h... (show quote)
Winston always had it right. Ovommit and the dimwitted demonrat party always have it wrong!!
May 20, 2018 07:10:32 #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Connecticut Subverts the E*******l College, Reject... (show quote)
Hitlary thought she had those those 3 states wrapped up due to the Soros r****d v****g machines that flipped repub v**es to dems. Unfortunately these machines were found out early and recalibrated or replaced or paper b****ts used, thus taking hitlary's illegitimate victory away from her corrupt party. "What Happenned" was that hitlary's illegal actvity was exposed. Why do you think Jill Stein picked on those 3 states for a v**e recount? She knew hitlary had those f**e Soros machines in place and couldn't understand why Hitlary lost.
May 20, 2018 11:27:44 #
old marine
Loc: America home of the brave
drlarrygino wrote:
I am a homegrow, red blooded, pro American patriot and our founders had it right. The e*******l college is the best way to elect a president and I said so, so it stands. All other people with opposing opinions can move to Venezuela or Cuba.
True Americans will provide a ship for t***sportation. You will only be allowed to take the close on your back all other assts will be seized, sold at public auction and money realized will go to repay the national debt. 😆😎
God bless America and the President
May 20, 2018 11:58:24 #
PaulPisces wrote:
I'll accept consideration of John Turley's commentary on The Constitution since he is a professor of law at Georgetown. But Levin is a commentator on Fox, which qualifies him as a f**e-news stoogie in my opinion. And Sowell is an economist.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
This homie thinks the support of your thesis through these three is, well, weak.
Homi: If you think it is weak!....Then you must think the Constitution is weak! This attempt to screw the Rule of Law is just that!.....A total waste of time! You need to research Mark Levin's resume; He has the Constitutional background and service to the Country to back up his assessments of this debacle!
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