Ft. Hood shooting took place in a "Gunfree Zone": Murderers murder and thieves steal although both crimes are against all kinds of laws. Should military bases be "gun free zones"...

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Murderers murder and thieves steal although both crimes are against all kinds of laws. Should military bases be "gun free zones" except for areas where troops have to have guns? Well Nidal Hasan and this Lopez animal sure think the law is about right. How many fewer people could they have k**led if they had to put up with armed soldiers?

http://godfatherpolitics.com/15037/fort-hood-shooting-took-place-gun-free-zone/

Patty

Gun free zones and big Pharma seems to be oddly connected to most of these mass shootings. They will milk them for all the are worth though to take guns from people who have absolutely no connection to the incidents. Never let a good rights shredding event go to waste is their motto. How can people be so stupid as to not be able to see the illogical thinking in their rights grabbing approach.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

oldroy wrote:

Murderers murder and thieves steal although both crimes are against all kinds of laws. Should military bases be "gun free zones" except for areas where troops have to have guns? Well Nidal Hasan and this Lopez animal sure think the law is about right. How many fewer people could they have k**led if they had to put up with armed soldiers?

http://godfatherpolitics.com/15037/fort-hood-shooting-took-place-gun-free-zone/

It's kind of hard to make military bases gun free zones, since that is their stock and trade. I was in the Marines and we had our rifles sitting out in gun racks right in the middle of the squad bay and we never had any shootings. Even though we didn't have ammo, it would be very easy to go to town and buy 30-06 ammo and load up. The same is true of 223 ammo.

You can make anything a gun free zone, but criminals being what they are pay no attention to that, so it doesn't stop a thing. Saying cops should be the only ones armed is just as stupid, because they can't seem to keep their guns safe any better then civilians can.

Patty

Mr Ed. The law was passed under Clinton is why you remember it as different. From what I read most bases are now protected by private security forces and soldiers aren't trusted with guns until they are deployed. That is why it is always a policeman or security guard who ends up cornering them. I doubt you would recognize the military any more. I don't think men are what they used to be frankly.

MrEd wrote:

It's kind of hard to make military bases gun free ... (show quote)

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Patty wrote:

Mr Ed. The law was passed under Clinton is why you remember it as different. From what I read most bases are now protected by private security forces and soldiers aren't trusted with guns until they are deployed. That is why it is always a policeman or security guard who ends up cornering them. I doubt you would recognize the military any more. I don't think men are what they used to be frankly.

I don't know for sure how old Mr. Ed is but I remember in basic training when we often were required to carry our ammoless weapons and even on days when we had to do some shooting that we had our rifles stacked in racks right there in the barracks.

Who is the boss of the private security forces on military bases and posts these days. Would it not stretch back up to the CIC in DC? I sure don't want to think he is the high boss but then surely he must be.

I heard a man say on Fox just a few minutes ago that the spree yesterday lasted only about 15 minutes and nearly crapped myself thinking about that. It took the people who had guns, legally, 15 minutes to get to the site of the shooting? That is more than ridiculous it is purely silly. Hell, cops in cities can do it sooner than that. I think that there should be guards with loaded arms in any part of a military base that is proclaimed gun free. We can't have this stuff going on anymore.

rodulfo-tardo

Husseyn-Obama's Islamicate has turned our Military Installations to the Soft Targets that terrorists favor for successful jihad (mass murder) it is inconceivable the U.S. Military cannot carry their weapons on base, if that was the case, then the shooter would have died long before the shell casing hit the ground.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

rodulfo-tardo wrote:

Husseyn-Obama's Islamicate has turned our Military Installations to the Soft Targets that terrorists favor for successful jihad (mass murder) it is inconceivable the U.S. Military cannot carry their weapons on base, if that was the case, then the shooter would have died long before the shell casing hit the ground.

I'll bet not so many of them would have had to take cover hoping to stay away from the gunfire.

In 1954, in basic training we had a Staff Sergeant from the 1st Calvary, who was at the time the only major American Army unit to be overrun and lose all their f**gs assigned to us. He was pretty calm most of the time but when he heard gunfire very close and wasn't inspecting it he hit the ground with the closest rifle he could free from its soldier and assumed the prone position toward the sound. Now I don't think I would have liked to have him with a loaded weapon but maybe his reflexes wouldn't have been so fast if he was loaded.

saveamerica Loc: Texas

oldroy wrote:

Murderers murder and thieves steal although both crimes are against all kinds of laws. Should military bases be "gun free zones" except for areas where troops have to have guns? Well Nidal Hasan and this Lopez animal sure think the law is about right. How many fewer people could they have k**led if they had to put up with armed soldiers?

http://godfatherpolitics.com/15037/fort-hood-shooting-took-place-gun-free-zone/

All shootings are in gun free zones.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Everything on the military bases works just fine. MP's do a great job and our troops respect the rules of conduct.
{BUT}° When you get a warning like the one they got Sun / Mon about a k*****g that is going to take place, The first order of business is to go on full alert at every base. Who dropped the ball this time?
If everyone starts carrying weapons we are naturally going to have accidental discharges and a lot of injuries, will occur.
Let's just do a better job of keeping up with current events on a daily basis.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Weasel wrote:

Everything on the military bases works just fine. ... (show quote)

How long did that shooting the other day go on? Evidently the MPs didn't do their job very fast. The man shot some, got in a car and went to another location and started in again.

So you think that once a man at one post says there will be k*****gs every post in the nation should go on all out alert? I can't agree with you although things weren't as bad when I was in the Army as they are now.

Ve'hoe

The reality of "rental cops" on bases is simply that it is cheaper than housing and feeding a police force or active duty troops.

It has nothing to do with whether the men are the men they used to be or safer or more dangerous.

The Cops I had in my command were completely professional and combat worthy,,, therefore,,, they were sent to combat a lot more than the average joe,,,, they get burned out, and leave the service,,,,,

oldroy wrote:

I don't know for sure how old Mr. Ed is but I reme... (show quote)

Ve'hoe

REally good points,,, weasel,,, the reality is also,, from my commands overseas is that even if you had that weapon on and loaded, if you came face to face with an active shooter,, the "rules" of engagement put you at such a disadvantage, that you are unlikely to get your gun out and into action before he shoots you.........

Gunfighting,, is NOT LIKE HOLLYWOOD DEPICTS,,,, not to mention if you have never strapped on a gun for a year,,, it is not as cool as you might think.....

Weasel wrote:

Everything on the military bases works just fine. ... (show quote)

Brian Devon

oldroy wrote:

Murderers murder and thieves steal although both crimes are against all kinds of laws. Should military bases be "gun free zones" except for areas where troops have to have guns? Well Nidal Hasan and this Lopez animal sure think the law is about right. How many fewer people could they have k**led if they had to put up with armed soldiers?

http://godfatherpolitics.com/15037/fort-hood-shooting-took-place-gun-free-zone/

The gun manufacturers never miss a trick. Allow loose gun laws to create a proliferation of weapons (300,000,000) and then convince new folks to buy guns to deal with all the potential-violence-in-waiting.

Has there ever been a better example of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Hey, who wants to take a walk knowing the guy next to him is only armed with skittles???

Ve'hoe

Yeah,,, why do you ask?? Are you asleep or deliberately stupid???? Dem Senator Leland Yee..... one of your guys,,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/nra-ad-targets-disgraced-california-dem-yee/

Brian Devon wrote:

The gun manufacturers never miss a trick. Allow loose gun laws to create a proliferation of weapons (300,000,000) and then convince new folks to buy guns to deal with all the potential-violence-in-waiting.

Has there ever been a better example of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Hey, who wants to take a walk knowing the guy next to him is only armed with skittles???

Patty

It only makes sense.