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Obtaining an American Citizen Passport a non-US citizen
May 1, 2018 12:44:17   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
To: S. Teresa Bobotek Director United States Department of State Seattle Passport Agency 44132 Mercure Cir PO Box 1157 Sterling, VA 20166-1157
From: I am, I am known as one of the people. ron vrooman the common man, private; Ronald Charles Vrooman in cursive on my birth certificate and as trustee to the Private Membership Association RONALD CHARLES VROOMAN, THE STRAW MAN; also known as Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney General by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and 18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Non- US citizen. The flesh and blood man on Oregon, an Oregonian, a Continuous Traveler, born August 14, 1938 Reno, Nevada, with two ancestors, a father and son direct blood-line, that fought for New York in our Revolution. General Delivery Beaverton, Oregon [97005] 503 641 8375 ronvrooman38@gmail.com
RE: your letter April 10, 2018, responding to my letter to President Trump dated 1/29/2018
Hello Teresa,
I spoke with Michael Lane. He adhered to the corporate line: there is only one passport and the only form he uses. It is for US citizens. DS-11. I’m an American Citizen, an Oregonian, not a US citizen and the passport is for the United States of America Citizens. I have expatriated, 7 ways from Sunday, deal with it.
The founding documents, the law of the land, SAL, SCOTUS, all agree the Corporate governance, you work for, is required to provide Americans from the several states with passports. It is not my problem. I filled out your form DS11 several times, provides 14 pages of my status in affidavit; spoke to several supervisory persons in the Dept of State for US Inc.
You took my money and did not provide me with due process. I’ve written letters and used forms and will not perjure myself to obtain what is rightfully and lawfully mine. I am Guaranteed by the law of the land. This supersedes your bureaucratic rules.
I will be providing Notice, to all in the corporate governance of the US inc. Then, when and if my passport is denied! I will file charges in the US Court of International Trade, against all involved, individually. For due process violations 18 USC 3571 the proof will be a matter of record.
Corporations were foreclosed on Dec. 25, 2012 .Bar Guilds were extinguished by Papal decree 09/01/2013.

This communiqué is not intended to mislead, defraud, deceive or threaten in any way and is submitted in “good faith and with clean hands.” I do lawful not legal and this is my best effort.
I close with Love, peace, harmony and a prayer. A US Marshal has determined my prayer is not a threat. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."



Copy to: Donald J. Trump President of the United States of America

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May 1, 2018 13:02:07   #
donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa
 
is the difference between an A American citizen or a US citizen?
ron vrooman wrote:
To: S. Teresa Bobotek Director United States Department of State Seattle Passport Agency 44132 Mercure Cir PO Box 1157 Sterling, VA 20166-1157
From: I am, I am known as one of the people. ron vrooman the common man, private; Ronald Charles Vrooman in cursive on my birth certificate and as trustee to the Private Membership Association RONALD CHARLES VROOMAN, THE STRAW MAN; also known as Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney General by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and 18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Non- US citizen. The flesh and blood man on Oregon, an Oregonian, a Continuous Traveler, born August 14, 1938 Reno, Nevada, with two ancestors, a father and son direct blood-line, that fought for New York in our Revolution. General Delivery Beaverton, Oregon [97005] 503 641 8375 ronvrooman38@gmail.com
RE: your letter April 10, 2018, responding to my letter to President Trump dated 1/29/2018
Hello Teresa,
I spoke with Michael Lane. He adhered to the corporate line: there is only one passport and the only form he uses. It is for US citizens. DS-11. I’m an American Citizen, an Oregonian, not a US citizen and the passport is for the United States of America Citizens. I have expatriated, 7 ways from Sunday, deal with it.
The founding documents, the law of the land, SAL, SCOTUS, all agree the Corporate governance, you work for, is required to provide Americans from the several states with passports. It is not my problem. I filled out your form DS11 several times, provides 14 pages of my status in affidavit; spoke to several supervisory persons in the Dept of State for US Inc.
You took my money and did not provide me with due process. I’ve written letters and used forms and will not perjure myself to obtain what is rightfully and lawfully mine. I am Guaranteed by the law of the land. This supersedes your bureaucratic rules.
I will be providing Notice, to all in the corporate governance of the US inc. Then, when and if my passport is denied! I will file charges in the US Court of International Trade, against all involved, individually. For due process violations 18 USC 3571 the proof will be a matter of record.
Corporations were foreclosed on Dec. 25, 2012 .Bar Guilds were extinguished by Papal decree 09/01/2013.

This communiqué is not intended to mislead, defraud, deceive or threaten in any way and is submitted in “good faith and with clean hands.” I do lawful not legal and this is my best effort.
I close with Love, peace, harmony and a prayer. A US Marshal has determined my prayer is not a threat. "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

What is there differnt to being a American citizn or a US citiizen?

Copy to: Donald J. Trump President of the United States of America
To: S. Teresa Bobotek Director United States Depa... (show quote)

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May 1, 2018 13:54:45   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Yes. A huge difference according to SCOTUS American Citizens have all the guaranteed rights of the Constitution; US citizens have the privileges of the 14th amendment. How ever one must be careful with Capital letters and lower case. Citizen of one of the several states is an American, I'm Oregonian. All corporate governance employees are US citizens.
There are several Places where you can gain Knowledge such as National Liberty Alliance. They can't do, so they teach.


donald41 wrote:
is the difference between an A American citizen or a US citizen?

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May 1, 2018 15:27:27   #
JimMe
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Yes. A huge difference according to SCOTUS American Citizens have all the guaranteed rights of the Constitution; US citizens have the privileges of the 14th amendment. How ever one must be careful with Capital letters and lower case. Citizen of one of the several states is an American, I'm Oregonian. All corporate governance employees are US citizens.
There are several Places where you can gain Knowledge such as National Liberty Alliance. They can't do, so they teach.



Legal Due Process appears to be vague, and open to interpretaion...

https://www.uscitizenship.info/articles/index.html%3Fp=893.html

states that if an American Citizen is issued a USA Passport, then revokes their American Citizenship while abroad, they can be deemed no longer an American Citizen, their American Citizen Issued Passport is invalidated, and so they can be stopped from reentering the USA...

When an American Citizen revokes his American Citizenship while in the USA, the USA Immigration Officials may then believe that person no longer wishes to be an American Citizen, and that person's right to not be an American Citizen overrides that person being given American Citizenship by working in corporations eligible to have American Citizen Passports granted...

My thought regarding this whole matter is more basic... If this person was born in the USA in 1938, and only denounced his American Citizenship, he still should be a USA Citizen, be entitled to a USA Citizen Passport which cannot be revoked, and this whole matter should be dropped as unnecessary...

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May 1, 2018 15:47:12   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Lawful process and legal process are different. Due process is lawful and has nothing to do with Legal. Constitutional American Citizen on one of the several states has a guaranteed passport by due process from the Office of the Sec of State charged with supplying a United States of America Passport.

Color of law is legal fiction, that is what the corporate governance is engaged in. I am the flesh and blood Oregonian and where is my passport.

There is only color of law in corporate governance; a fiction cannot supersede our rights with the denial of a privilege from a corporation. Government cannot be incorporated.

JimMe wrote:
Legal Due Process appears to be vague, and open to interpretaion...

https://www.uscitizenship.info/articles/index.html%3Fp=893.html

states that if an American Citizen is issued a USA Passport, then revokes their American Citizenship while abroad, they can be deemed no longer an American Citizen, their American Citizen Issued Passport is invalidated, and so they can be stopped from reentering the USA...

When an American Citizen revokes his American Citizenship while in the USA, the USA Immigration Officials may then believe that person no longer wishes to be an American Citizen, and that person's right to not be an American Citizen overrides that person being given American Citizenship by working in corporations eligible to have American Citizen Passports granted...

My thought regarding this whole matter is more basic... If this person was born in the USA in 1938, and only denounced his American Citizenship, he still should be a USA Citizen, be entitled to a USA Citizen Passport which cannot be revoked, and this whole matter should be dropped as unnecessary...
Legal Due Process appears to be vague, and open to... (show quote)

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May 1, 2018 19:15:49   #
JimMe
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Lawful process and legal process are different. Due process is lawful and has nothing to do with Legal. Constitutional American Citizen on one of the several states has a guaranteed passport by due process from the Office of the Sec of State charged with supplying a United States of America Passport.

Color of law is legal fiction, that is what the corporate governance is engaged in. I am the flesh and blood Oregonian and where is my passport.

There is only color of law in corporate governance; a fiction cannot supersede our rights with the denial of a privilege from a corporation. Government cannot be incorporated.
Lawful process and legal process are different. Du... (show quote)




Gaining a Passport because you work for a corporation after revoking American Citizenship, and so invalidate your Passport gained as an American Citizen, would revoke your denouncing your American Citizenship... Why should a corporation be used by you to regain an American Citizen Passport when you are no longer an American Citizen?!?

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May 1, 2018 20:26:37   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
I work for no corporation. I expatriated from the US inc citizen of the 14th; to an America on Oregon and my statue is recorded and filed. Constitutional Republic!!! I am not in contract with the corporate governance. PERIOD. Great word smithing JimMe. We are not talking what if. We are talking facts. I am an Oregonian therefore some office within Sec of State is required to supply me "as I am" with a United States of America passport. That is due process. governing law is found in the founding documents at the front of the US Code. Named organic dated circa 1819 thru 1860-61. Predating the fraud of the Lincoln era.

JimMe wrote:
Gaining a Passport because you work for a corporation after revoking American Citizenship, and so invalidate your Passport gained as an American Citizen, would revoke your denouncing your American Citizenship... Why should a corporation be used by you to regain an American Citizen Passport when you are no longer an American Citizen?!?

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May 3, 2018 13:28:34   #
JimMe
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I work for no corporation. I expatriated from the US inc citizen of the 14th; to an America on Oregon and my statue is recorded and filed. Constitutional Republic!!! I am not in contract with the corporate governance. PERIOD. Great word smithing JimMe. We are not talking what if. We are talking facts. I am an Oregonian therefore some office within Sec of State is required to supply me "as I am" with a United States of America passport. That is due process. governing law is found in the founding documents at the front of the US Code. Named organic dated circa 1819 thru 1860-61. Predating the fraud of the Lincoln era.
I work for no corporation. I expatriated from the ... (show quote)




I have looked-up USA Passport Requirements... You must be a USA Citizen to get a USA Passport... Being a resident of Oregon, the Oregon Passport Office takes your application and forwards it to the USA State Department... The USA State Department is responsible for approving your application... If you filed a written, signed and dated renouncement of your USA Citizenship to the USA Federal Government, the State Department will have that on file... Your not being a USA Citizen will have the USA State Dept to see you "as you are", no longer a USA Citizen, and as such this will preclude you from getting a USA Passport... However, if your renouncement was never officially submitted in writing, signed and dated, you will be seen "as you are", a USA Citizen, and be deemed entitled to your USA Passport, regardless of how you see yourself...

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May 3, 2018 16:53:32   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
you are miss information.

JimMe wrote:
I have looked-up USA[there are no USA] Passport Requirements. [there is only US citizen DS 11 form].. You must be a USA Citizen to get a USA Passport. [wrong ].. Being a resident [wrong again] of Oregon, the Oregon Passport Office takes your application and forwards it to the USA State Department.[wrong again].. The USA State Department [wrong again] is responsible for approving your application. [JimMe.you are dead ass wrong, shut up]. If you filed a written, signed and dated renouncement of your USA Citizenship to the USA Federal Government, the State Department will have that on file... Your not being a USA Citizen will have the USA State Dept to see you "as you are", no longer a USA Citizen, and as such this will preclude you from getting a USA Passport... However, if your renouncement was never officially submitted in writing, signed and dated, you will be seen "as you are", a USA Citizen, and be deemed entitled to your USA Passport, regardless of how you see yourself...
I have looked-up USA there are no USA Passport Re... (show quote)
[we are all dumber from reading what you wrote.]

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May 4, 2018 14:02:15   #
JimMe
 
ron vrooman wrote:
you are miss information.

[we are all dumber from reading what you wrote.]




Okay... Bottom line is: USA Passports are only issued to USA Citizens... If anyone is not a USA Citizen, they cannot get a USA Passport, even when residing within the USA their entire life...

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May 4, 2018 15:17:54   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
wrong. No abbreviations. Passports that read United States of America are DS11 only for U.S. citizens. They want a form and it is always content over form.
the bottom line is written in the founding documents. I so demand. I am the beneficiary of those documents circa 1819 thru 1860-61

Gimme my phuquing passport.

JimMe wrote:
Okay... Bottom line is: USA Passports are only issued to USA Citizens... If anyone is not a USA Citizen, they cannot get a USA Passport, even when residing within the USA their entire life...

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