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Apr 29, 2018 18:00:20   #
OldGlory1951 Loc: Burien, Washington
 
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
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Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
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I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?

Reply
Apr 29, 2018 18:16:06   #
bahmer
 
OldGlory1951 wrote:
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
|
Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
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Walter E. Williams
Educational Fraud Continues
Ben Shapiro
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I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War br John ... (show quote)


Amen and Amen great post and spot on thanks.

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Apr 29, 2018 18:22:22   #
OldGlory1951 Loc: Burien, Washington
 
bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen great post and spot on thanks.





AMEN and AMEN!!!! Thank you bahmer.

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Apr 29, 2018 18:47:40   #
Ricktloml
 
OldGlory1951 wrote:
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
|
Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
Trending

Walter E. Williams
Educational Fraud Continues
Ben Shapiro
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I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War br John ... (show quote)


The attitude of "it can't happen here" has been in place so long that it isn't that people don't notice, they REFUSE to acknowledge what they see. The right wrongly believed on so many issues that "no one is going to believe that, and no one would actually do that in America". The left for decades incrementally ate away at the foundations of this country, both governmentally and socially until Obama came to office, then they wrongly believed that MOST Americans wanted a "fundamental t***sformation", and were satisfied with the cultural changes and centralization of our government and if they could not force acceptance, they at least could coerce the American people into socialism. Where does this all end? Only God knows. The article is right about both sides being entrenched. The left has been using these same tactics throughout history, with tragic results, and they won't stop, no matter how often they've failed in the past. The right won't willingly give up their liberties for the common good of the collective and I sure hope they won't give up or give in.

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Apr 29, 2018 19:54:50   #
Sicilianthing
 
OldGlory1951 wrote:
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
|
Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
Trending

Walter E. Williams
Educational Fraud Continues
Ben Shapiro
Who Controls Your Kids' Lives?
Marina Medvin
Bernie Sanders Taunts Us With New Threats of Economic S***ery

I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War br John ... (show quote)


>>>>

Fantastic article - THERE it IS !

But there’s actually a whole lot more going on behind the scenes and nothing has changed under Trump
Not A DAMN THING

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Apr 29, 2018 20:24:14   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>nothing has changed under Trump
Not A DAMN THING


Actually there has but you won't even see it on faux fox except for a minute or so.

The district of criminals has operated with over 90% demonrat slacker employees for decades,
Showing up to work everyday backstabbing the will of the people, emboldened by the neolibs and neocons.
I couldn't even survive in any state thats full of lucy's who support a criminal duopoly. DC is not even a state,
it's like an unarmed London cesspool of degenerates.

I know you realize these lucy's are hard to fire. The swamp can only be drained incrementally. Think Seth Rich
and the rest of the clinton body count...That reminds me...3 of clintons see'eye'aye hit squad have recently been arrested. The 4th was put in the nuthouse 2 weeks ago.

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Apr 29, 2018 20:28:14   #
Sicilianthing
 
11r20 wrote:
Actually there has but you won't even see it on faux fox except for a minute or so.

The district of criminals has operated with over 90% demonrat slacker employees for decades,
Showing up to work everyday backstabbing the will of the people, emboldened by the neolibs and neocons.
I couldn't even survive in any state thats full of lucy's who support a criminal duopoly. DC is not even a state,
it's like an unarmed London cesspool of degenerates.

I know you realize these lucy's are hard to fire. The swamp can only be drained incrementally. Think Seth Rich
and the rest of the clinton body count...That reminds me...3 of clintons see'eye'aye hit squad have recently been arrested. The 4th was put in the nuthouse 2 weeks ago.
Actually there has but you won't even see it on fa... (show quote)


>>>>

Ok but I have no proof of anything and I keep asking everyone and no one else does either.

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Apr 29, 2018 21:10:26   #
Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>

Ok but I have no proof of anything and I keep asking everyone and no one else does either.


this pastor is not a pastor and i believe he worked for brennon quote "The pro-Erdoğan Takvim daily accused Brunson of being behind the c**p attempt, claiming that he would be the CIA chief if the c**p attempt had been successful. According to the Takvim daily, Brunson is a “high-level CIA agent” and also a “high-level member of the Gülen movement.” keep in mind this kind of stuff is hard to find. I'll post more when i get to my other computer...good reading here.
Sep 2017 research shows more than what reads here
https://turkeypurge.com/erdogan-says-would-release-us-pastor-if-gulen-is-handed-over

April 2018
https://globalnews.ca/news/4137871/peter-dalglish-canadian-humanitarian-arrested-nepal/
oh yeah, this gal is a real company girl...they/old hillbilly connections don't want her to talk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5627801/Woman-accused-driving-CIA-headquarters-loaded-gun.html

2013 one of hillbilly's wetworkers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/29/rambo-american-soldier-hitman-k**l-dea-agent

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article209298524.html

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Apr 29, 2018 21:17:20   #
Sicilianthing
 
11r20 wrote:
this pastor is not a pastor and i believe he worked for brennon quote "The pro-Erdoğan Takvim daily accused Brunson of being behind the c**p attempt, claiming that he would be the CIA chief if the c**p attempt had been successful. According to the Takvim daily, Brunson is a “high-level CIA agent” and also a “high-level member of the Gülen movement.” keep in mind this kind of stuff is hard to find. I'll post more when i get to my other computer...good reading here.
Sep 2017 research shows more than what reads here
https://turkeypurge.com/erdogan-says-would-release-us-pastor-if-gulen-is-handed-over

April 2018
https://globalnews.ca/news/4137871/peter-dalglish-canadian-humanitarian-arrested-nepal/
oh yeah, this gal is a real company girl...they/old hillbilly connections don't want her to talk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5627801/Woman-accused-driving-CIA-headquarters-loaded-gun.html

2013 one of hillbilly's wetworkers
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/29/rambo-american-soldier-hitman-k**l-dea-agent

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article209298524.html
this pastor is not a pastor and i believe he worke... (show quote)


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Ok need time to catch up and read it all... I gotta travel in the early AM so I’m out, gnite.

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Apr 30, 2018 12:38:44   #
rational1
 
Read the replies to this thoughtful attempt to discuss our Country's dilemma; they are filled with h**e and the deeply satisfying idea.."ha, I got you". This lawyers mentality, I HAVE TO WIN, regardless of t***h or ethics, is one of the roots of the problem. Feel satisfied , till your world falls apart..then what?

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Apr 30, 2018 18:06:48   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
OldGlory1951 wrote:
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
|
Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
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I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War br John ... (show quote)



What do I think or believe.
Many of Our country's citizens have succumbed to forces not of man, they have fallen on their knees to the god of humanism lead by dark demonic forces, having fully rejected the Lord of Lord's, King of Kings, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The liar of liars has gained a stronghold into their hearts believing that good is evil and evil is good, cheerleaders of reprobate minds, homosexuality, definition of marriage, acceptance of Islam. Acceptance of corruption, Deception to achieve total victory over opposing ideology with vitriolic h**e towards Christians and conservatives.
As more and more leaders of churches compromise the word of God, in submission of politically correct speech, denial of God's word that some may find offensive, denying the gospel unto salvation, the very work Jesus did on the cross to bring these people to eternal life, pastors deny and instead forming their sermons to hear themselves speak, satisfying the itching ears with a world view.
Our nation is under supernatural attack, and a shrinking Christian population, a fraction of our previous generation. Revival, no I don't believe one is at hand, as America is falling into its due place as the hours and days of the end of the church age rapidly approaches.
Do we as believers sit it out and wait for the promised hope to arrive, lord no, we continue planting sowing, making disciples while looking up, awaiting the masters voice "Come up hither"

God Bless America
God Bless Israel
God Bless and protect President Trump

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Apr 30, 2018 19:50:49   #
Ricktloml
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
What do I think or believe.
Many of Our country's citizens have succumbed to forces not of man, they have fallen on their knees to the god of humanism lead by dark demonic forces, having fully rejected the Lord of Lord's, King of Kings, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The liar of liars has gained a stronghold into their hearts believing that good is evil and evil is good, cheerleaders of reprobate minds, homosexuality, definition of marriage, acceptance of Islam. Acceptance of corruption, Deception to achieve total victory over opposing ideology with vitriolic h**e towards Christians and conservatives.
As more and more leaders of churches compromise the word of God, in submission of politically correct speech, denial of God's word that some may find offensive, denying the gospel unto salvation, the very work Jesus did on the cross to bring these people to eternal life, pastors deny and instead forming their sermons to hear themselves speak, satisfying the itching ears with a world view.
Our nation is under supernatural attack, and a shrinking Christian population, a fraction of our previous generation. Revival, no I don't believe one is at hand, as America is falling into its due place as the hours and days of the end of the church age rapidly approaches.
Do we as believers sit it out and wait for the promised hope to arrive, lord no, we continue planting sowing, making disciples while looking up, awaiting the masters voice "Come up hither"

God Bless America
God Bless Israel
God Bless and protect President Trump
What do I think or believe. br Many of Our count... (show quote)


Well said. And I believe God always requires His children to fight evil.

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Apr 30, 2018 20:08:44   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Well said. And I believe God always requires His children to fight evil.



Your absolutely correct, The sixth chapter of Ephesians tells us how to fight evil.

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Apr 30, 2018 23:21:47   #
Sicilianthing
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
What do I think or believe.
Many of Our country's citizens have succumbed to forces not of man, they have fallen on their knees to the god of humanism lead by dark demonic forces, having fully rejected the Lord of Lord's, King of Kings, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The liar of liars has gained a stronghold into their hearts believing that good is evil and evil is good, cheerleaders of reprobate minds, homosexuality, definition of marriage, acceptance of Islam. Acceptance of corruption, Deception to achieve total victory over opposing ideology with vitriolic h**e towards Christians and conservatives.
As more and more leaders of churches compromise the word of God, in submission of politically correct speech, denial of God's word that some may find offensive, denying the gospel unto salvation, the very work Jesus did on the cross to bring these people to eternal life, pastors deny and instead forming their sermons to hear themselves speak, satisfying the itching ears with a world view.
Our nation is under supernatural attack, and a shrinking Christian population, a fraction of our previous generation. Revival, no I don't believe one is at hand, as America is falling into its due place as the hours and days of the end of the church age rapidly approaches.
Do we as believers sit it out and wait for the promised hope to arrive, lord no, we continue planting sowing, making disciples while looking up, awaiting the masters voice "Come up hither"

God Bless America
God Bless Israel
God Bless and protect President Trump
What do I think or believe. br Many of Our count... (show quote)


>>>>

Yep we are being consumed by multiple flanks and enemies.

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May 1, 2018 00:39:58   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
OldGlory1951 wrote:
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
John Hawkins
John Hawkins
|
Posted: Apr 29, 2018 7:40 AM
The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War
Trending

Walter E. Williams
Educational Fraud Continues
Ben Shapiro
Who Controls Your Kids' Lives?
Marina Medvin
Bernie Sanders Taunts Us With New Threats of Economic S***ery

I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves.
CARTOONS | Steve Kelley
View Cartoon

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a w***e s*********t N**i primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too Powerful: Federalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely o*******w the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing: Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

http://www.townhall.com




This is totally insane what our Country is facing and nothing is being done to cure it. Not from either Party!!!!!. Us folks are being caught in the middle and it seems there isn't Doodle, we can say or do. What do y'all feel about this insanity going on in our Country?
7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War br John ... (show quote)


Before we get to the 'Country' part let's start with You! Quit with the whining "we can't say or do" because YOU can. Visit your local radio station. KNOCK ON THE DOOR. Demand to be interviewed. But be prepared because the station's management will not turn you away until you show you have no viable point regarding your community. Inform your audience that you are v****g exclusively for independents AND you want to hear from that group. Ask your own social followers to call the radio host while you are live. It's easier than you think. You can further aide yourself by understanding. there's nothing 'insane' about our country's current predicament. Believing so assist the opposition with their end game. Their insane plan has been working for more than 30 years. It is well designed, implemented and managed. The fact that it has as its promoters the Pelosi's, the Maxipads, the View, etc. is its brilliance. Nonetheless, it can be and needs to be defeated.
If you need help in finding a radio program ASK, and I'll get you introduced. That's how I feel about it!

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