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Apr 30, 2018 12:30:18   #
JoyV
 
Morgan wrote:
One definition of a politician~ a person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement within an organization. I'd say he's definitely one, now being president he is unequivocally one to the nth degree. We do live in the present, do we not?

But to justify any and all lies to be righteous, because you believe it to be for the betterment of the country, builds a foundation in deception and sand and aligns itself in corruption, sad you don't see that and to believe that such a man deserves your devotion and loyalty and speaks of your own moral conviction...lacking.
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So instead of "politician", say, "professional politician". Someone who makes his living off being a politician in government.

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Apr 30, 2018 12:49:51   #
JoyV
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden in an opinion piece for the New York Times calls President Donald Trump a liar and says his repeated slights on the intelligence community have taken a large toll.
“We in the intelligence world have dealt with obstinate and argumentative presidents through the years. But we have never served a president for whom ground t***h really doesn’t matter,” says Hayden, who directed Intelligence under the last three presidents.

Intelligence work, says Hayden, is based on “gathering, evaluating and evaluating information, and then disseminating conclusions for use, study or refutation.”
Trump, though, reflects and exploits “post-t***h” thinking, “a condition where facts are less influential in shaping opinion than emotion and personal belief,” writes Hayden.

Specifically, Hayden criticizes Trump’s executive travel order banning immigrants from six Muslim-majority countries because he is “trying to fulfill a campaign promise based on exaggerated fears about immigrants and unfair criticism of the refugee vetting system,” his plan to end the Iranian nuclear deal even “in the face of intelligence that Iran has not committed a material breach of the compact,” and his characterization of the Russia probe as a “witch hunt.”

“The president only recently and grudgingly agreed to impose sanctions on Russians believed to have interfered in the American e******n, and he continues to characterize the investigation as a 'witch hunt' while relentlessly attacking agencies of his own administration,” writes Hayden.
The Trump campaign has also “normalized lying to an unprecedented degree,” and the president is more committed to carrying out campaign promises than listening to his intelligence officers, he said.

Trump, though, did get it right one time, Hayden added – his speech on Afghanistan last summer.
“These are truly uncharted waters for the country,” writes Hayden. “We have in the past argued over the values to be applied to objective reality, or occasionally over what constituted objective reality, but never the existence or relevance of objective reality itself.”

Read Newsmax: Hayden: 'Ground T***h Really Doesn't Matter' for Trump | Newsmax.com
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"Intelligence work, says Hayden, is based on “gathering, evaluating and evaluating information, and then disseminating conclusions for use, study or refutation.”"

You mean like using opposition research as intelligence?

If Hayden really thinks restricting travel from a few Muslim majority nations with high risk of terrorism and grossly inadequate identification systems, while NOT restricting from the 59 other Muslim majority nations; I pity him for his substandard ability to reason logically.

As to sanctions--which sanctions are you referring to? The sanctions that were in place under Obama were to limit certain American companies from doing business in Russia while enabling others to have a free hand with no competition. Trump refused to renew those. Then Trump issued sanctions for their confirmed internationally illegal actions in other nations. There was no confirmation, let alone evidence revealed at that time of any Russian interference in American e******ns. Just rumor and innuendo. Once actual evidence came forward of interference (as much or more anti-Trump as pro-Trump); he acted.

"and the president is more committed to carrying out campaign promises than listening to his intelligence officers, he said."
You mean the intelligence officers who perpetrated the f**e dossier? Yes those are really the most trustworthy advisers----NOT.

Note that though Hayden repeatedly says Trump lies; he listed no lies.

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Apr 30, 2018 12:49:54   #
moldyoldy
 
JoyV wrote:
Saying, "believe me" is neither a lie nor the t***h.

Public opinion polls vary widely depending on 1) the demographics of those polled. 2) how the polls were taken (I.E. phone polls, online polls linked to either left wing or right wing sites, walk-in polls where the location of the polling site matters. 4) And most important HOW the questions are worded!!!! E******n polls taken by the left wing news organization certainly got it wrong on who would win.

A mature person changes their position when the situation changes. The NATO situation was lopsided at best when Trump took office. He said IF others did not start contributing, we would (paraphrase) review it for changes in our participation. I could take the time to look up the exact wording, but the left wing news reported that Trump wants to drop NATO. This reporting was NOT true. After he took office, NATO reviewed itself and other NATO countries began contributing. This is when Trump announced that we would not change our NATO contribution.

Trump is the first President in a long time who IS keeping his promises to foreign nations. Obama would say the least offensive things to the world while blaming our own country for most of the ills of the world (apologist). Or he say we were taking a stand such as drawing a red line in the sand but the world knew he would not stick to his word but would back down. When Trump says we will not stand for a thing, he does not back down. The world has soon come to realize he means what he says so don't ignore warnings. Yet he has also shown he is willing to negotiate if the other party is willing to seriously negotiate. The world seems much safer than when one belligerent after another was bribed to play nice, yet no consequences were attached to NOT playing nice after the bribe was taken. And no, Obama was not the only President to do so. But perhaps the only one to consistently do so.
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The fact that trump does everything in his power to avoid the sanctions that Obama placed on Russia, shows that he is no strong man. He is afraid of putin, and stormy daniels.

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Apr 30, 2018 13:01:35   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Point out where sanctions by Obama curbed Russian behavior troll. No left wing rag BS. It's all history so don't do your usual lies.
moldyoldy wrote:
The fact that trump does everything in his power to avoid the sanctions that Obama placed on Russia, shows that he is no strong man. He is afraid of putin, and stormy daniels.

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Apr 30, 2018 13:09:56   #
moldyoldy
 
JFlorio wrote:
Point out where sanctions by Obama curbed Russian behavior troll. No left wing rag BS. It's all history so don't do your usual lies.


How about the destruction of that 500 billion exxon, putin deal?

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Apr 30, 2018 13:20:46   #
JoyV
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The fact that trump does everything in his power to avoid the sanctions that Obama placed on Russia, shows that he is no strong man. He is afraid of putin, and stormy daniels.


Have you read those sanctions? They primarily target certain individual Russians (such as those close to Putin), while leaving most of the country and government to continue to do business as normal with the EU and US. Other targets are some energy companies while others are not. Some international banking (mostly of the targeted individuals) while other international banking is left unphased. The results of these sanctions hurt some American or European businesses who were banned from doing business with Russia; while removing competition from others. These sanctions were a joke. But only those directly benefiting were laughing. Those sanctions were harming American businessmen far more than Russia.

If Trump is so afraid of Putin, why is he not caving to him in Syria like Obama did?

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Apr 30, 2018 13:24:30   #
woodguru
 
Old Dog wrote:
"THEY" say to be a good Politician you have to be a good liar.

"The Donald" is not a Politician and is not President for his own financial gain.

Hence, I believe any lie he has told he believes will ultimately be for the good of the American people.

After I get all the backlash I am sure I will receive I will post examples of what I mean.


You don't believe think that the man is simply a liar, he lies for no reason, and automatically lies when the t***h doesn't serve his purposes? You assign far too much credit for him caring about anyone but himself.

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Apr 30, 2018 13:46:57   #
JoyV
 
moldyoldy wrote:
How about the destruction of that 500 billion exxon, putin deal?


I can see where it could be a harm to Exxon. But did it do any real harm to Russia? Remember that Russia already owns or controls a large percentage of the world's oil.

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Apr 30, 2018 14:08:22   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Old Dog wrote:
"THEY" say to be a good Politician you have to be a good liar.

"The Donald" is not a Politician and is not President for his own financial gain.

Hence, I believe any lie he has told he believes will ultimately be for the good of the American people.

After I get all the backlash I am sure I will receive I will post examples of what I mean.


that would make all politician good OD


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Apr 30, 2018 14:38:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
It did not harm Russia at all. Hurt Exxon. They still piped their oil to their largest customer, Europe.
JoyV wrote:
I can see where it could be a harm to Exxon. But did it do any real harm to Russia? Remember that Russia already owns or controls a large percentage of the world's oil.

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Apr 30, 2018 14:47:00   #
moldyoldy
 
JoyV wrote:
Have you read those sanctions? They primarily target certain individual Russians (such as those close to Putin), while leaving most of the country and government to continue to do business as normal with the EU and US. Other targets are some energy companies while others are not. Some international banking (mostly of the targeted individuals) while other international banking is left unphased. The results of these sanctions hurt some American or European businesses who were banned from doing business with Russia; while removing competition from others. These sanctions were a joke. But only those directly benefiting were laughing. Those sanctions were harming American businessmen far more than Russia.

If Trump is so afraid of Putin, why is he not caving to him in Syria like Obama did?
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Obama asked congress to authorize action in Syria, they did not. As for targeting putins people, the oligarchs are the mafia that should be targeted.

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Apr 30, 2018 14:55:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Glad you said that troll. Didn't Trump just sanction a bunch?
moldyoldy wrote:
Obama asked congress to authorize action in Syria, they did not. As for targeting putins people, the oligarchs are the mafia that should be targeted.

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Apr 30, 2018 15:44:35   #
moldyoldy
 
JFlorio wrote:
Glad you said that troll. Didn't Trump just sanction a bunch?


He kicked out 60 spies and told putin he could send in 60 replacements.

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Apr 30, 2018 16:29:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
moldyoldy wrote:
He kicked out 60 spies and told putin he could send in 60 replacements.



Looks like another lie. The Trump,administration sanctioned oligarchs close to Putin severally. NBC News and NY Times reported on April 6.

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Apr 30, 2018 18:15:50   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
JoyV wrote:
Saying, "believe me" is neither a lie nor the t***h.

Public opinion polls vary widely depending on 1) the demographics of those polled. 2) how the polls were taken (I.E. phone polls, online polls linked to either left wing or right wing sites, walk-in polls where the location of the polling site matters. 4) And most important HOW the questions are worded!!!! E******n polls taken by the left wing news organization certainly got it wrong on who would win.

A mature person changes their position when the situation changes. The NATO situation was lopsided at best when Trump took office. He said IF others did not start contributing, we would (paraphrase) review it for changes in our participation. I could take the time to look up the exact wording, but the left wing news reported that Trump wants to drop NATO. This reporting was NOT true. After he took office, NATO reviewed itself and other NATO countries began contributing. This is when Trump announced that we would not change our NATO contribution.

Trump is the first President in a long time who IS keeping his promises to foreign nations. Obama would say the least offensive things to the world while blaming our own country for most of the ills of the world (apologist). Or he say we were taking a stand such as drawing a red line in the sand but the world knew he would not stick to his word but would back down. When Trump says we will not stand for a thing, he does not back down. The world has soon come to realize he means what he says so don't ignore warnings. Yet he has also shown he is willing to negotiate if the other party is willing to seriously negotiate. The world seems much safer than when one belligerent after another was bribed to play nice, yet no consequences were attached to NOT playing nice after the bribe was taken. And no, Obama was not the only President to do so. But perhaps the only one to consistently do so.
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Very well written. I thank You. About; "believe me", it's an N.Y. thing. More dominate in Queens but not exclusive. Compare to N.J. "yuz bustin my balls here"

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