pafret Loc: Northeast

"On the Verge of Nuclear War"


"On the Verge of Nuclear War"
by Paul Craig Roberts

"The nuclear arms race is like two sworn enemies standing waist
deep in gasoline, one with three matches, the other with five."
- Carl Sagan

"One wonders if this latest extremely provocative and hostile accusation against Russia, supported by Washington’s empire, is the prelude to war. There is no basis whatsoever for the statement of the US Department of State that “on March 4, Russia used a military-grade nerve agent to attempt to murder a British citizen and his daughter in Salisbury.

Considering the fact that no evidence has been presented that any nerve agent was involved, no evidence that it was a Russian nerve agent, and no evidence that Russia, or Putin himself according to the crazed British foreign secretary, is responsible, this accusation is the most reckless and irresponsible charge imaginable.

If the Russians do not now realize that the only terms on which they are acceptable to the West is as a vassal state of the West, they are beyond all hope and will be destroyed. If the Russian Atlanticist Integrationists continue to paralyze the Russian government, Russia is finished. There is no greater threat to Russia than its own Atlanticist Integrationists.

What will be Washington’s next orchestration through one of its vassal states, such as “Great” Britain? Can it get any worse? If the Russian government is realistic, it will expect an incoming nuclear ICBM strike. There is no other reason for the long collection of false charges against Russia except to prepare the insouciant Western peoples for war. If the Russian government does not realize that Washington is bringing war to Russia, the Russian government is endangering Russia’s survival. If the Russian government continues to believe that “the door to dialogue is open,” the Russian government is deluded beyond repair.

The insouciant Western people, concerned with things of no consequence, sit in their stupidity while their corrupt politicians tell them lies. The populations of the West are so stupid that they do not have a clue as to the consequences of the lies that they are fed.”
- https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

TEDx MileHigh: Brian Toon, “I've studied nuclear war for 35 years - you should be worried.” This video is excellent, please take the time to watch
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7hOpT0lPGI

It's a good thing they'd never let something like that happen, right Good Citizen?
Right?

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

We hope that the Mutually Assured Destruction, or MAD, philosophy is take to heart by all nuclear armed nations. Or else...we die.

buffalo Loc: Texas

"Our world faces a crisis as yet unperceived by those possessing power to make great decisions for good or evil. The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe."

ALBERT EINSTEIN, New York Times, May 25, 1946

woodguru

Actually the nerve agent has been typed and identified, and it's an exotic one that would be in Putin's domain.

Putin has a style he's known for, part of what he does is use exotic poisons such as plutonium that only he would have access to. Defense for him is there until proof surfaces. The two Putin guys suspected of giving Plutonium to a victim were defended until video of them being in proximity surfaced and they were hospitalized with plutonium poisoning from exposure to it themselves.

Putin makes a point of not letting people who have wronged Putin get away with it. He wants his enemies to know what he is capable of.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

There are those who ignorantly want the US and Russia to nuke it out. ISIS for one and the ones who used the chemical weapons recently in Syria. Russia and the US might be tricked into launching one or two, but the MADD scenario is off, at least in terms of the automatic response. And just like chemical weapons, nukes have a signature foot print which reveals almost every detail of where the bomb came from.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

The MAD or MADD scenario is off? Please explain how this is so.

buffalo Loc: Texas

It is kind of like 2 guys standing waist deep in gasoline. One has 3 matches, the other has 5 matches...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

We know better.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Oops. Double D. Mothers against drunk drivers. Or DAMM. Drunks against mad mothers.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Maybe the warhawks think MAD is off but it remains a reality. I wonder who nwtk2007 thinks will be around to do the analysis of exactly where the bomb came from. Roughly ten percent (30 million) of the US population lives within a hundred mile radius of NYC. With that as a target a few super bombs would decimate our people and destroy an enormous amount of our scientific and engineering capacity, not to mention politicians and banks.

I would suspect that with the first bombs that fall on us there will be a bunch of countries piling on as well. I was watching a program on EMP yesterday on Levine's show and his guest bought up an interesting point. All of our defenses against Russian missiles are in the north or are searching north because it was believed that the northern circumpolar route was the quickest way for a bomb to be delivered. There is no equivalent detection and defense set up for a southern circumpolar route and current ICBMs are more than capable of traveling this route.

Also, North Korea uses this southern circumpolar route for its Satellites which are currently positioned over the US at the ideal altitude for an EMP attack.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Try not to speculate on something like nuclear war. It simply reveals what you don't know.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Well, if we don't know it, we probably should account for it if we can. Unknown unknowns are not to be found out, except by revelation or accident,
but simple unknowns may be possible to discover and understand. We have a large apparatus for this purpose.

It is also incumbent on the government to "avoid technological surprise" if at all possible, so we direct resources into arenas where discovery is possible. There is no value at all in shoving one's head in the sand.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

In my recollection there was a planned large phased array radar to be activated looking south, but I do not know its status. Also. there were search and tracking ships that were to be positioned at strategic points off the coast of Chile not far from the south pole where orbits of missiles had to cross if headed for the US. I no longer have access to these plans and programs, but while at IBM, I did team up with General Dynamics at one point to provide the on-board processing for one class of search and tracking ships for duty down south. I believe it was not funded, but the problem of south polar missile t***sit is very well-known. Another team was proposing a super oil-rig type of vessel that could provide a very stable platform if the pontoons were sunk down far enough. Today, I suppose that prepositioned US Navy Aegis ships could perform that duty quite well.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

It occurs to me that with the advent of Russian, Chinese, and North Korean Boomers, we are faced with an almost impossible task of surveillance, tracking and destruction of the ICBMs and the submarines themselves, since they can launch from relatively near positions, thus with short flight times, at any point in the ocean surrounding the US. We do have assets at work for this purpose, but they have never been considered to be totally effective.
Thus MAD is in operation right now.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Well Mr. Well Informed, why don't you enlighten us? I put up an opinion and you put up a stupid two line sneer and you think you have carried the field. Give us the benefit of your vast knowledge.