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Apr 14, 2018 13:45:52   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
 
Apr 14, 2018 14:23:35   #
bahmer (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


Since neither you nor I are on the ground over there I have to go with what I read and that is that they only bombed the chemical plants and destroyed them and this was not aimed at Russia nor was aimed at Syria as a whole but strickley the chemical weapons plants themselves. So in that sense he was correct to go ahead. Besides with the present congress and senate the can't even agree on what time it is let alone anything else.
Apr 14, 2018 14:41:37   #
lpnmajor (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)


How else do you look mean and tough...............and I'm not talking about America. A certain person has been aching to blow something else up, after spending 80 million dollars blowing up an empty airfield. It isn't about the deaths in Syria, who's people have been barrel bombed and shelled for years without the US raising much of a fuss, nor is it about (allegedly ) using chemical munitions...............it's all about the show.
Apr 14, 2018 14:50:55   #
sisboombaa
 
I have no opinion due to the fact I do not have priority to all the information that would be necessary to form an intelligent opinion. Even if I was to become informed of the information of what importance would my opinion be? I have to have faith in my government or the worry will take my attention away from my loved ones and of the good things in my life. I wish to enjoy the few years I may have remaining. Sorry for my selfishness but I have already paid my dues.
Apr 14, 2018 15:00:57   #
woodguru (a regular here)
 
Yes something needed to be done, perhaps more. Not much difference between chemicals and conventional arms though when Assad has been killing hundreds of thousands and turning cities into uninhabitable rubble.

I agree with congress being brought in, for no other reason than to form a coherent strategy that cripples Assad's military.

Assad is using techniques that would be like bombing a whole neighborhood of a large city to get 400 BLM activists.
Apr 14, 2018 15:04:28   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
bahmer wrote:
Since neither you nor I are on the ground over there I have to go with what I read and that is that they only bombed the chemical plants and destroyed them and this was not aimed at Russia nor was aimed at Syria as a whole but strickley the chemical weapons plants themselves. So in that sense he was correct to go ahead. Besides with the present congress and senate the can't even agree on what time it is let alone anything else.


I agree. It seemed it was successfully strategical--and needed.
 
Apr 14, 2018 15:12:12   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
lpnmajor wrote:
How else do you look mean and tough...............and I'm not talking about America. A certain person has been aching to blow something else up, after spending 80 million dollars blowing up an empty airfield. It isn't about the deaths in Syria, who's people have been barrel bombed and shelled for years without the US raising much of a fuss, nor is it about (allegedly ) using chemical munitions...............it's all about the show.


In personal relations and global politics, gestures are vital. They are not just a show but a show of needed concern and decency. From what I understand to date, the attacks were strategically successful. No Syrian innocents were killed or hurt. Assad is not a monster under a bed where we have to take a running leap into bed to avoid harm. He is a very real monster that must be confronted and stopped. It could have been done better, I agree. Congress needs to sign off on such actions.
Apr 14, 2018 15:25:45   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
sisboombaa wrote:
I have no opinion due to the fact I do not have priority to all the information that would be necessary to form an intelligent opinion. Even if I was to become informed of the information of what importance would my opinion be? I have to have faith in my government or the worry will take my attention away from my loved ones and of the good things in my life. I wish to enjoy the few years I may have remaining. Sorry for my selfishness but I have already paid my dues.


Perhaps a trite analogy, but the German people in Nazi Germany had faith in their government, and with apparent good cause. Trains were running on time, the economy was in a great recovery from a devastating inflation, industry was booming, unemployment was substantially down, goods and services were cheaply and abundantly available, and all looked rosy and the future bright. You said you "already paid my dues." The dues of a Republic is constant vigilance. Your attention on your loved ones, in my opinion, is a studied eye on what the government that houses your children is doing. The Germans in the late 30s and even the early 40s had all the good things in life...well, if you weren't a Jew or disagreed with Hitler or was homosexual or mentally ill or a gypsy or--you get the picture.

In America, one person can make a difference, and is their job.
Apr 14, 2018 15:29:20   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
woodguru wrote:
Yes something needed to be done, perhaps more. Not much difference between chemicals and conventional arms though when Assad has been killing hundreds of thousands and turning cities into uninhabitable rubble.

I agree with congress being brought in, for no other reason than to form a coherent strategy that cripples Assad's military.

Assad is using techniques that would be like bombing a whole neighborhood of a large city to get 400 BLM activists.


Good point, "a coherent strategy." Whatever happens next does not necessarily make this move by Trump wrong. It was necessary now, in my opinion. The future will bring its own challenges.
Apr 14, 2018 15:37:06   #
badbobby (a regular here)
 
sisboombaa wrote:
I have no opinion due to the fact I do not have priority to all the information that would be necessary to form an intelligent opinion. Even if I was to become informed of the information of what importance would my opinion be? I have to have faith in my government or the worry will take my attention away from my loved ones and of the good things in my life. I wish to enjoy the few years I may have remaining. Sorry for my selfishness but I have already paid my dues.


I'm with you Sis
Apr 14, 2018 15:46:55   #
Kevyn (a regular here)
 
rumitoid wrote:
There is no easy divide on the responses from the Left and Right on this action by the president. I commend the action, though I feel in should have gone to Congress for approval, which it seems he would have gotten. Unilateral decisions by a president to bomb countries that have neither attacked our nation or appear to pose a plausible threat is a highly dangerous policy, especially in this instance with the warnings of retaliation from a major nuclear power, Russia. Yet I believe, still believe, that America stands as the watchdog for justice and freedom in the world, and the America first notion betrays our principles.

But the alt-right--Laura Ingram, Infowars, and others--attacked Trump for betraying what seemed to be his fundamental promise to the nation. MAGA was not to involve bleeding our country and our resources and our youth in squabbles around the globe which were not serving our best interests.

What do you think?
There is no easy divide on the responses from the ... (show quote)

It is a largely meaningless jesture, they should have attacked command and control, air defenses and Assad’s residences and offices. You don’t put fear in a despots by blowing out a warehouse. Putting one down the chimney at each of his homes and palaces is a whole other story. And if he is smoked all the better. As an aside it is time to take Putin down a notch or two and remind him Russia’s place in the world. A little humiliation of the Russians is long overdue.
 
Apr 14, 2018 16:22:17   #
Gatsby (a regular here)
 
Why does congress need to be "brought in"? Does congress think that they need permission to express themselves?

Where were NATO and the EU? Where were Germany, the Balkans, Poland, Italy, Greece, Turkey, and all the rest?

That advance warning was just a way of thumbing their noses at Assad and Putin. There ain't one damn thing that you can do to prevent it!

woodguru wrote:
Yes something needed to be done, perhaps more. Not much difference between chemicals and conventional arms though when Assad has been killing hundreds of thousands and turning cities into uninhabitable rubble.

I agree with congress being brought in, for no other reason than to form a coherent strategy that cripples Assad's military.

Assad is using techniques that would be like bombing a whole neighborhood of a large city to get 400 BLM activists.
Apr 14, 2018 16:41:26   #
sisboombaa
 
rumitoid wrote:
Perhaps a trite analogy, but the German people in Nazi Germany had faith in their government, and with apparent good cause. Trains were running on time, the economy was in a great recovery from a devastating inflation, industry was booming, unemployment was substantially down, goods and services were cheaply and abundantly available, and all looked rosy and the future bright. You said you "already paid my dues." The dues of a Republic is constant vigilance. Your attention on your loved ones, in my opinion, is a studied eye on what the government that houses your children is doing. The Germans in the late 30s and even the early 40s had all the good things in life...well, if you weren't a Jew or disagreed with Hitler or was homosexual or mentally ill or a gypsy or--you get the picture.

In America, one person can make a difference, and is their job.
Perhaps a trite analogy, but the German people in ... (show quote)


Having conversed with a number of friends who were German citizens before and during the war, then migrated to the U.S. after the war, they all painted a different picture than you have. Also history tells that there were many assassination attempts on Hitler which all failed. So I assume it wasn't so rosy in Germany.

I do try to stay vigilant and inform my children and grand children plus reminding them that the game of life is now being played in their ball park. It is now up to them.

As far as one person making a difference it can't be me. I'm tired of trying to communicate with the large number of closed minds. This web site is a good example. Please excuse my being old and tired but that's my physical condition now; only to get worse. I do pray for our country and hope for the best as she has been great to me.
Apr 14, 2018 16:46:23   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is a largely meaningless jesture, they should have attacked command and control, air defenses and Assad’s residences and offices. You don’t put fear in a despots by blowing out a warehouse. Putting one down the chimney at each of his homes and palaces is a whole other story. And if he is smoked all the better. As an aside it is time to take Putin down a notch or two and remind him Russia’s place in the world. A little humiliation of the Russians is long overdue.


Excellent point about putting Putin down a notch or two and I was delightfully surprised that Trump personally assailed Putin for his actions. Wow! Maybe Trump is getting what his job actually entails. The followup by Nikki Haley (president 2020) in the UN, puts Assad on notice it will be far worse next time if chemical weapons are used again. A Three Stooges poke in the eyes now but a known threat of greater damage later.
Apr 14, 2018 16:55:53   #
rumitoid (a regular here)
 
Gatsby wrote:
Why does congress need to be "brought in"? Does congress think that they need permission to express themselves?

Where were NATO and the EU? Where were Germany, the Balkans, Poland, Italy, Greece, Turkey, and all the rest?

That advance warning was just a way of thumbing their noses at Assad and Putin. There ain't one damn thing that you can do to prevent it!


As noted by someone else earlier, a "coherent policy" needs to be developed, thereby consulting Congress. Also, unilateral decisions to attack other governments by a president is unwise and very dangerous. I am not saying that it was wrong. But the attack was highly controversial on many levels, as noted by criticism of some of Trump's staunchest supporters. It is a complex and delicate issue. Syrian did not attack or pose a threat to the US of A. There was no declaration of War by Syria against out government. This is problematic. And there are many more nuanced considerations involved.
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