Alan Finch

The main-stream church today teaches an Un-Biblical doctrine concerning "eternal torment" in "hellfire." It took me 38 years as a Christian before discovering the real t***h about this subject from the Bible. I have written a lengthy article on this subject. If anyone would like a copy of the article in it's original Word Document Format, feel free to e-mail me and I will e-mail you a copy of the article. (candy33alan@aol.com)

After all, there is nothing more important than our eternal destination and understanding what our real purpose here on earth during this present time on earth is really all about.

susanblange Loc: USA

There is no fire in Hell, the fire is going to be on earth and is the mechanism by which you get to Hell. Hell is a black hole. It is darkness, freezing cold, hyper-gravity, and a bottomless pit. Hell is not physical torture, it is mental terror. Hell is also not forever, the punishment will fit the sin. Only Satan will rot in Hell forever, eventually your spirit will be extinguished and you will cease to exist. Satan is Adam the serpent who is God's nemesis. He will be conquered and punished with a two-edged sword. Job 20:25, Isaiah 27:1.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

I've heard some far out ideas in all my yrs as a Christian , but your's take the cake !

Of course we as humans have no real idea about Hell only the ones that are there now know for sure how bad it is !

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Exactly !

We have no idea of anything that exists beyond our mortality.

Liberty Tree

Where did you get this? It certainly was not from the Bible, unless it was from one of those so called Bibles that has been rewritten to sipport man's beliefs and not the true Word of God.?

okie don

This is an age old question all right.
Makes one wonder if the 'creator' what ever it is, ' Great Spirit' ect. is sadistic.
Personally I don't think so.

boatbob2

IF,none of us,has been to hell,And therefore,have NO first hand knowledge of hell,Please stop spouting BS about something you have no knowledge of.

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

Agreed nothing is more important than individual personal destiny, after life stuff, actually the Old Testament has no Heaven and Hell is being published, as in, for example, wherein (P)Moses comes down from Mt. Sinai the first time and finds the Children of Israel in open R*******n the Levites k**l their own sons and brothers (Exodus 32) as a punishment indicating hell.

Also.

Numbers 16, ; 28. Moses said to the crowd, The Lord has chosen me to do these things -- it wasn't my idea. If these men die a natural death, it means the Lord hasn't chosen me. ......... .
Numbers 16, ; 31-33. As soon as (P) Moses said this, the ground under the men opened up, and swallowed them alive, together with their families and everything they owned. Then the ground closed back up, and they were gone.

Indicating hell.

(Contemporary English Version).

In the Old Testament Hell is punishment, there is no quote for Heaven except the mostly incredible one that mentioned the floating axe and the Char**ts with flaming wheels, concerning Elisha and Elijah, best reference, 2 Kings, 2 ; 11.

Elijah and Elisha were walking along and talking, when suddenly there appeared between them a flaming char**t pulled by fiery horses. Straight away, a strong wind took Elijah up to Heaven. Elisha saw this and shouted, Israel's Calvary and Char**ts have taken my Master away ! After Elijah had gone Elisha tore his clothes in sorrow.

This is contradicted by John, 3 ; 13.
No one has gone up to Heaven except the son of man who came down from there.

susanblange Loc: USA

In October 1983, I had a vision of my own death where I went to Heaven and saw Hell beneath me. I wrote about it in a thread called, "I had a vision". This was near the beginning of my calling. Numbers 12:6. "...If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream". I am waiting for the dream which will tell me when VWD Day will be. It is the first day of the Lord and stands for Vengeance, Wrath, and Destruction. All of the Messiah's enemies will burst into flames. Psalm 37:20, Psalm 97:3.

susanblange Loc: USA

Fire is a symbol of holiness and the spirit is composed partly of fire. It is also composed of wind (outside the body) and breath (inside the body). It is called the "breath of life". The life sustaining element of this is oxygen. Fire needs oxygen to sustain itself and blood carries oxygen to the cells. The blood is called the "life of the flesh". God appeared to Moses in a burning bush and Moses' face was illuminated. This was caused by the holy spirit.

susanblange Loc: USA

The god of Christianity is a sado-mascochist. He tortured Jesus on the cross and the NT says all non believers in Jesus will burn forever in Hell. The god of Jesus and the NT is not the God of Israel.

susanblange Loc: USA

Hell was created for Satan, for the enemies of God, and for the wicked. This was mainly a deterrent, rather than a punishment. Heaven and Hell are in the bible. Only the wicked go to Hell. Life is full of second chances and your destiny is determined by the condition of your soul/spirit upon your death. You don't know when you will die, so we should live every moment like it is our last. It is very important to repent of our sin. Remorse, confession, restitution, and change.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Are you in this way of thinking or is there a group involved ?

There is nothing in the Scriptures to back up your dream world prophecy !

RT friend Loc: Kangaroo valley NSW Australia

I sort of was always philosophical, I never was into metaphysics but about 15 years ago I wanted to be into Religion when my son got married to a Born Again since then I never stopped joining Religion with Philosophy.

Interesting, !! about illumination the burning bush, symbolic holiness and the big one you mentioned the Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost same thing I think.

Actually I just did a post about Sabbatai Sevi I shouldn't have made a joke about him, but nobody is perfect, Nathan sold Sabbatai as the Messiah because he couldn't stop "beaming", that's when you feel uncontrolled ecstatic emotional stupendous happiness as overt smiling, Champagne Charlie was good at it, the opposite to boredom, but really embarrassing if there is no justification for such good mirth when everyone else is feeling down, Nathan just gave Religion as the cause of Sabbatai's emotional extravaganza and sold him as the Messiah, it worked mainly because of what you say about fire being the symbol of holiness and the Spirit (emotion) is composed of fire.

The Ancient Greeks before Socrates thought about what was the base matter of the Universe from which everything was derived from ; Thales said water ; Anaximemes said air ; Heraclitus said FIRE ; Pythagoras got a nod as mathematics, the winner I think was Leucippus and Democrates who said it was atoms as the one thing caused everything else, but how did atoms come to be ?.

The point I'm making is that this deductive reasoning was believed to have come from a single point of causation, becoming dualism and interactive relationships, in Religion duality was seen as light and dark, good and bad, right and wrong is the main one, and this began with Religion but it wasn't explainable, so explaining Religion with Philosophy is instinctive because Religion was first and understanding Religion as Philosophy is probably is the purpose of Religion, the element fire was prominent in the Big Bang and when it goes out the Universe is Created again with another fire, that's what I think philosophically. .

susanblange Loc: USA

There is a group but we are scattered over the earth and are disorganized. I have read the OT completely through at least a hundred times and I've read parts of it closer to a thousand times. It is like a jigsaw puzzle and it all fits together to form the big picture. When I first started reading the OT, it was very confusing. Now everything makes sense to me. Not all of the answers are contained in the bible, but the clues are there. I am a fundamentalist and I take the scriptures at their plain, literal meaning. I also only read the KJV.