slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Explain, using plain logic, the meaning behind your statement "Clinton's administration was a direct result of the murdering of the Davidian people on the compound in Texas." As written, IMO, it makes little to no sense.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Although there was plenty enough blame to go around, David Koresh was ultimately responsible for that entire fiasco. I equate his guilt to that of Jim Jones in the 1978 Jonestown tragedy in Guyana. Of course, the blind followers of each certainly also warranted some of the blame. Otherwise, where were the parents' personal responsibilities for keeping their children in untenable situations? It appeared that the motivation behind the siege became an attempt by Koresh for national recognition and/or martyrdom. As such, it brought to mind the age-old saying, "Be careful what you ask for." Sadly, he took with him many of his followers...as they acquiesced to the fate of Koresh's decisions.

cold iron Loc: White House

Do you understand that the AG takes his/her orders from the President? Janet Reno was told by Bill Clinton to end the standoff. And she did, it's easy to set a fire, and it worked.
So, tell me what did the Davidian people do to warrant being k**led for? Lots of rumors but no proof as far as I can find. Did they try to take down the government, or steal state secrets?

plainlogic

The same agencies were involved with both Ruby Ridge and WACO, the swamp is still there. But then of course the Democrats/liberals will refute and make up stories about who's fault it was. Bottom line is: This potus is trying to drain the very swamp the Democrats are protecting.

History to Democrats/rinos has no relevance, they will continue on the demise of this Nations system and form their Socialist/marxist and eventually c*******t system. Is it too late? Don't know!

cold iron Loc: White House

Jim Jones k**led a US congressman, Koresh k**led no one. All the ATF/FBI had was rumors. Their sin was they believe in GOD. As you know that is very bad if you are a liberal.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Can you recognize/understand a properly worded statement? Read Plainlogic's comment more closely, ColdIron. It seems to imply that the Clinton administration came about as a direct result of the siege. His comment is bass-ackwards, and could have made sense if he had written 'The Branch Davidian siege, and the ensuing deaths, came about as a direct result of the Clinton Administration.' Capiche?

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

First off, Jim Jones did not personally k**l U.S. Congressman Leo Ryan. A representative/follower did, as did Koresh's followers k**l U.S. agents. I will not argue the circumstances behind their deaths, as much controversy surrounds the facts of the Koresh compound's initial shoot-out.

As my source, at that time a McClennan County (Waco) Deputy Sheriff, revealed to me...the stories behind the raid were not rumors, but confirmed facts from long observation by local LEO officials. They chose, in his words, to close their eyes to the going's on at the compound...to include reported sexual abuse of minors. Their inaction, again in his words, was ultimately what brought the entire situation about. The feds would have never been brought in if the locals had done their jobs.

BTW, if you believe all/most liberals disavow God, you are simply wrong. For that matter, I know a few conservatives and libertarians who also disavow God.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Then, there are the following excerpts from congressional hearings describing the Godliness of David Koresh:

Girl Tells Of Molestation By Koresh
Teen's Testimony Puts Hearing In Perspective
July 20, 1995

WASHINGTON — A young girl's testimony hushed the political clamor of Wednesday's congressional hearing on the Waco tragedy, as the child spoke steadily and graphically of the sexual abuse she endured at the hands of religious leader David Koresh.

People "need to know the t***h," said Kiri Jewell, 14. "This is my t***h."

The bickering stopped, at least for a moment, as Kiri told of her life with the Davidians.

Forced to have sex at the age of 10, she said she "stared at the ceiling" as Koresh molested her and afterward "stayed in the shower for maybe an hour."

Kiri's father, David Jewell, pulled her away from the religious group when he won custody from Kiri's mother, who was among 80 Davidians who died in the blaze that engulfed the Waco compound on April 19, 1993.

Jewell told the panel of a phone call he got in 1991 from a man he'd never met, who ominously said, "I have reason to believe your daughter is in danger."

The caller, a former Branch Davidian, warned Jewell that Koresh intended to take his 10 year-old daughter as his "wife."

"The David Koresh I came to know of . . . was a man of absolute unparalled evil intent," said Jewell, who gently hugged his daughter after her testimony.

The girl said her mother led her into the isolated religious community when she was 5 or 6.

There, Koresh had sex with other girls, cruelly disciplined children, taught war and prophesized a "big battle" with the forces of the world, she said. She also said the children were taught to k**l themselves by putting a gun in their mouth and pulling the trigger.

Later Wednesday, ATF agents who participated in the initial raid defended their use of "dynamic entry," an aggressive tactic sometimes used to carry out search warrants.

plainlogic

The POTUS is in all the branches, of course, the Government has 3 Branches, don't have to go into that, do we?

The POTUS appoints the AG who is in the judicial branch, which he, the POTUS, has direct contact with the AG. Who by the way, the AG, brought about the murders of the Branch Davidieans. Of course, the POTUS was fully aware of what was going on, in Waco Tx's; and most likely he would have direct input to the AG he appointed.. Thus, he could've mentioned to her it would behoove her to stop, if not, there could be repercussions. ERGO, his fault. My opinion.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Plainlogic, assuming from this post of yours that you haven't done so already, read my post three above this one of yours.

plainlogic

Your saying, because, Koresh did not respond to federal authority about his weapons, so that gave the AG the authority to murder Koresh and his followers and children. That's cutting to the bottom line right?

plainlogic

Again slaten, the law authorities in that jurisdiction of Waco, could've at any time arrested Koresh for laws broken, but the feds came in to do the job. The whole thing didn't make sense as you say.

plainlogic

Pares the words, I don't mind.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

No, not at all saying that. I suggest you read all my posts within this thread for a better understanding of my position.

plainlogic

Just remember 49, the same agencies that were involved in the mass executions in Waco and Idaho are still active. This POTUS is trying to clean up that swamp that you're for.