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Mar 18, 2014 16:51:47   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Also, we've seen rapid decline in the number of people living in abject poverty - perhaps we need to return to those days of less f****l f**ls and more starvation





Too much atmospheric warming will lead to "death control" of the human species. Florida amusement parks will need to be re-named "Venice-land". There is an alternative to overpopulation and starvation. Its called birth control. Combine it with lower carbon emissions and you have a formula for sustainability.

The ZPG movement needs to find its voice again.[/quote]

Planned Parenthood is taking care of the "birth control" issue in the US. My presumption is no further explanation is needed relative to their means.

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Mar 18, 2014 17:02:38   #
Kevyn
 
vernon wrote:
your as full of s**t as a christmass turkey.now if you are so stupid as to believe that ,just what would be your plan to stop it


Dude you really need to re think your stuffing recipe. I h**e to think about what you use for gravy.

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Mar 18, 2014 17:58:18   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
vernon wrote:
why was greenland named greenland ?i wonder if the vickings found greenland covered in ice or a garden spot,which would explain why warming is just natural and not caused by man.


Vern, we covered this naming thing about a week or 2 ago. Moss covered the eastern cliffs of and gave the place a green shade.. Also the vikings wanted settlers in Greenland rather than Iceland, hence another reason for the name..

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Mar 18, 2014 18:00:36   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=vernon]
permafrost wrote:
C*****e C****e
Water

Study Finds Greenland Glaciers Losing 10 Billion Tons of Ice Per Year
Yale Environment 360 | March 18, 2014 9:19 am | Comments
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The glaciers of northeast Greenland, long thought to be the most stable part of the massive Greenland ice sheet, are melting at an accelerating pace, losing roughly 10 billion tons of ice annually for the past decade, say researchers from the U.S. and Denmark.
Screen Shot 2014-03-18 at 9.01.58 AM

This map shows major ice drainages in Greenland, along with measured ice surface velocities. The northeast Greenland ice stream (NEGIS) now appears to be retreating as rapidly, or perhaps more rapidly, than other parts of the ice sheet, including Jakobshavn Isbræ (JI), Helheim Glacier (HG) and Kangerdlugssuaq (KG). Catchments for those regions are outlined on the map. Image credit: The Ohio State University, Natural History Museum of Denmark

The finding will likely boost estimates of global sea level rise, which had previously not accounted for massive ice loss from that region, scientists say. The Zachariae ice stream in northeast Greenland, which drains 16 percent of the ice sheet, has retreated roughly 12.4 miles during the past decade, outpacing the fast-moving Jakobshavn glacier, which has retreated 21.7 miles over the last 150 years.

Ice loss from the region is likely accelerating, the researchers say, because ice dams in nearby bays that had been blocking the glaciers’ paths are now also melting, freeing the way for them to flow into the ocean.

“Northeast Greenland is very cold—it used to be considered the last stable part of the Greenland ice sheet,” explained the lead researcher of the report, which was published in Nature C*****e C****e. “This study shows that ice loss in the northeast is now accelerating. So, now it seems that all of the margins of the Greenland ice sheet are unstable.”

well if it has been retreating for 150 yrs that lets us out you need another scapegoat.
C*****e C****e br Water br br Study Finds Gre... (show quote)


Your time scale in not long enough, you need to consider a longer time span. Your grand children are ate risk and the effect on food and water may well effect you in the near future...

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Mar 18, 2014 18:02:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Brian Devon wrote:
This is bad news. Recently scientists have noticed such a major retreat of winter ice in Alaska, that herds of Walrus are now coming on to land, much too early for the season. There is a also a decline of the Polar bear population.

The worst news is yet to come. Even slight increases in the earth's overall temperature causes a thawing of perma-frost especially in Siberia. When the perma-frost thaws trapped methane gas is released, which warms the atmosphere, causing more methane release. This is a vicious feed-back loop. The consequences??? Mass extinctions.

Time to restrict our consumption of f****l f**ls.

Do the public want to listen to the 95% of scientists concerned about c*****e c****e? It would seem a lot wiser than listening to those Nobel Laureates Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly.
This is bad news. Recently scientists have noticed... (show quote)


Well said, seem very few on this forum give any kind of consideration to the problem at all...

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Mar 18, 2014 18:08:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Look Deadbrain,,, have your nurse get with me so your computer time can be curtailed,,, you arent able to compete here with the lies and politics of falsehood,,, concerning g****l w*****g,,

"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s. A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations 'may now be near historic highs,'" it read.

J. Scott Armstrong of The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania; Kesten C. Green of Business and Economic Forecasting, Monash University; and Willie Soon of Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, Cambridge, published their findings in 2008, arguing that the claims of declining population among polar bears are not based on scientific forecasting principles."

No they are based on simpleton minah birds,,, like you,, Awwwkkkk G****l W*****g, AWWWWKKK Bush Did it, AWWKKK the sky is falling,,,,,
Look Deadbrain,,, have your nurse get with me so y... (show quote)


The latest reports have clearly shown that current condition are undoing the work done in the 50s and 60s, not only with polar bears but other artic wild life as well. Every thing from Arctic fox to Musk ox are suffering..

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Mar 18, 2014 18:13:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
vernon wrote:
the so called scientist who have been bought with fed grants and have been proven liars i would believe rush or bill before you or them


Vern, You and Dave confuse me, how can you shrug off the obvious and blame every thing on some sort of conspiracy? You both seem to have some smarts and yet you refuse to admit to a situation which needs your help. We are not talking money, only simple things in your power to reduce and reuse... Not a real sacrifice for anyone..

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Mar 18, 2014 18:16:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Homestead wrote:
Maybe you need to put down the Coolaid and learn something.

The great g****l w*****g swindle - Full version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Try putting in a nutshell, I am not k*****g over an hour to watch some You tube production and then cut it apart. If you have a point or question, let me know, I will try and respond..

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Mar 18, 2014 18:17:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Kevyn wrote:
Dude you really need to re think your stuffing recipe. I h**e to think about what you use for gravy.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 18, 2014 18:27:48   #
Ve'hoe
 
Exactly,,, that is why I have renamed those "people" to "Lie-entists" men who study the pseudo science like brian deadbrain,, (a psychologist) of bilking the govt out of money through alignment with politicians who pay them to say what they want. Kind of like a dog and pony show, only not entertaining.

If you would like, Brian-deadbrain, can get you on his couch, and extract your wallet and any suppressed memories of your savings account, but not much more...

I think r****ded 1369 was one of his patients, and does some marketing for him now. (Not sure if it is for or agains, but with libs what difference do facts make?)

vernon wrote:
the so called scientist who have been bought with fed grants and have been proven liars i would believe rush or bill before you or them

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Mar 18, 2014 18:32:59   #
TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
 
Brian Devon wrote:
Also, we've seen rapid decline in the number of people living in abject poverty - perhaps we need to return to those days of less f****l f**ls and more starvation





Too much atmospheric warming will lead to "death control" of the human species. Florida amusement parks will need to be re-named "Venice-land". There is an alternative to overpopulation and starvation. Its called birth control. Combine it with lower carbon emissions and you have a formula for sustainability.

The ZPG movement needs to find its voice again.[/quote]


What we really need is a good old population reducing p******c or war, which will greatly reduce man's footprint on this earth.

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Mar 18, 2014 18:40:56   #
Ve'hoe
 
Musk Ox:
"Population size and trends World population is estimated at 100,000 and is increasing.
Canada: Muskox populations in Canada are estimated around 75,400 individuals.
Alaska:Within Alaska 3,714 animals were estimated.
Greenland: The population size in Greenland during the 1990´s was estimated to number 9,500 to 12,500.
Norway: No information about population size of the (re)introduced populations in Norway is found available yet.
Russia: The Musk ox was introduced at Taymyr in 1974 (30 animals). C*******m k**led them...

The total reintroduced population is estimated at about 8,000 animals as described in the article: Reintroduction of Musk ox in the northern Russia." http://www.lhnet.org/musk-ox

Polar bears are increasing too,,,, see the numbers I posted earlier

Wolves,,, about to be delisted

Fox:http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/899/0

Justification: The Arctic Fox has a circumpolar distribution in all Arctic tundra habitats, with a global population in the order of several hundred thousand animals. Most populations fluctuate widely in numbers between years in response to varying lemming numbers. In most areas population status is believed to be good.
History: Reassessed in 2008 still least concern
2004 – Least Concern


This great extinction is just NOT happening.......certainly not by anything man has done.. or can do for that matter.


permafrost wrote:
The latest reports have clearly shown that current condition are undoing the work done in the 50s and 60s, not only with polar bears but other artic wild life as well. Every thing from Arctic fox to Musk ox are suffering..

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Mar 18, 2014 18:43:32   #
Brian Devon
 
TroubleshooterTim wrote:
What we really need is a good old population reducing p******c or war, which will greatly reduce man's footprint on this earth.





Tim, I have f**gged you for deliberately altering the words of my post. Nice try, but no cigar.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Mar 18, 2014 18:52:37   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Musk Ox:
"Population size and trends World population is estimated at 100,000 and is increasing.
Canada: Muskox populations in Canada are estimated around 75,400 individuals.
Alaska:Within Alaska 3,714 animals were estimated.
Greenland: The population size in Greenland during the 1990´s was estimated to number 9,500 to 12,500.
Norway: No information about population size of the (re)introduced populations in Norway is found available yet.
Russia: The Musk ox was introduced at Taymyr in 1974 (30 animals). C*******m k**led them...

The total reintroduced population is estimated at about 8,000 animals as described in the article: Reintroduction of Musk ox in the northern Russia." http://www.lhnet.org/musk-ox

Polar bears are increasing too,,,, see the numbers I posted earlier

Wolves,,, about to be delisted

Fox:http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/899/0

Justification: The Arctic Fox has a circumpolar distribution in all Arctic tundra habitats, with a global population in the order of several hundred thousand animals. Most populations fluctuate widely in numbers between years in response to varying lemming numbers. In most areas population status is believed to be good.
History: Reassessed in 2008 still least concern
2004 – Least Concern


This great extinction is just NOT happening.......certainly not by anything man has done.. or can do for that matter.
Musk Ox: br "Population size and trends World... (show quote)


I like the numbers you quote. That does not mean that the work is done.. Or that changing conditions are not have a huge and rapid effect... In Minnesota, the Wolves were moved to a protected species and we had a couple hunting seasons on them.. Now they back under debate A/C the recovery was not as good as expected.. This had nothing to due with the subject, but I both like and dislike Wolves.. Hearing them howl is a thrill, but have them take livestock, not so much...

It is in my opinion, better to be early with precautions on Global change than to be to late with to little..

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Mar 18, 2014 19:02:17   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
C*****e C****e
Water

Study Finds Greenland Glaciers Losing 10 Billion Tons of Ice Per Year
Yale Environment 360 | March 18, 2014 9:19 am | Comments
117 1

4 177

The glaciers of northeast Greenland, long thought to be the most stable part of the massive Greenland ice sheet, are melting at an accelerating pace, losing roughly 10 billion tons of ice annually for the past decade, say researchers from the U.S. and Denmark.
Screen Shot 2014-03-18 at 9.01.58 AM

This map shows major ice drainages in Greenland, along with measured ice surface velocities. The northeast Greenland ice stream (NEGIS) now appears to be retreating as rapidly, or perhaps more rapidly, than other parts of the ice sheet, including Jakobshavn Isbræ (JI), Helheim Glacier (HG) and Kangerdlugssuaq (KG). Catchments for those regions are outlined on the map. Image credit: The Ohio State University, Natural History Museum of Denmark

The finding will likely boost estimates of global sea level rise, which had previously not accounted for massive ice loss from that region, scientists say. The Zachariae ice stream in northeast Greenland, which drains 16 percent of the ice sheet, has retreated roughly 12.4 miles during the past decade, outpacing the fast-moving Jakobshavn glacier, which has retreated 21.7 miles over the last 150 years.

Ice loss from the region is likely accelerating, the researchers say, because ice dams in nearby bays that had been blocking the glaciers’ paths are now also melting, freeing the way for them to flow into the ocean.

“Northeast Greenland is very cold—it used to be considered the last stable part of the Greenland ice sheet,” explained the lead researcher of the report, which was published in Nature C*****e C****e. “This study shows that ice loss in the northeast is now accelerating. So, now it seems that all of the margins of the Greenland ice sheet are unstable.”

Other recent studies had estimated more moderate ice loss from Greenland’s northeast.
C*****e C****e br Water br br Study Finds Gre... (show quote)



Sorry Brian and Permafrost but again, you are wrong about Greenland Glacier, it is expanding. Why is it that you have to always lie to us. Here is the real story:
• GREENLAND See Greenland Icecap Growing Thicker
Greenland glacier advancing 7.2 miles per year! The BBC recently ran
a documentary, The Big Chill, saying that we could be on the verge of an ice
age. Britain could be heading towards an Alaskan-type climate within a decade,
say scientists, because the Gulf Stream is being gradually cut off. The Gulf
Stream keeps temperatures unusually high for such a northerly latitude.
One of Greenland’s largest glaciers has already doubled its rate of advance,
moving forward at the rate of 12 kilometers (7.2 miles) per year. To see a
transcript of the documentary,
go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/bigchillt***s.shtml


Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker
4 Nov 05 - After gathering data for more than ten years, a team of
Norwegian-led scientists has found that the Greenland Ice Sheet is
actually growing thicker at its interior.
See Greenland Ice Sheet Growing Thicker


Rebellious Greenland Glacier Keeps Growing
26 July 10 - Berlingske Glacier has steadily grown for the past
100 years. And yet, it's not counted in the glacier inventory. Why
haven't we heard about this growing glacier?
See Rebellious Greenland Glacier Keeps Growing

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