Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

CDC: National Center for Health Statistics/ Assault and Homicide stats
On November 3, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a 14-page report on gun violence in Wilmington, Delaware, a medium-sized city of roughly 70,000 residents that also experiences one of the highest murder rates in the country.

CDC: Elevated Rates of Urban Firearm Violence and Opportunities for Prevention—Wilmington, Delaware

Loki Loc: Georgia

Unfortunately for you, it is also true.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Think why don't you use some of those cites and facts you insist on others using?

Loki Loc: Georgia

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Since you finally decided to reveal the name of your tome and it's author, and you did so on another post, I will reply with the same post I used there.
Your Patrick J Charles has apparently never read the comment of the men who actually wrote the Second Amendment, or else decided to ignore them since they clash with his desired conclusion. Let's start with George Washington:

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.”
-George Washington, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of February 6, 1788

Patrick J. Charles (whose name and book you never mentioned until now, incidentally) seems to have forgotten all about our first president.
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How about a few from the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence?

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
– Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

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“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to ens***e them.”
– George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the m*****a? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
– George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

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How about another president?

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the m*****a officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.”
– James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated m*****a, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
– James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“…the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone…”
– James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
Before you jump on the "well-regulated" bandwagon, bear in mind that in the 18th century, "well-regulated" had little or nothing to do with government control.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

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“A m*****a when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
– Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

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Then there was old Patrick Henry. You DO remember him, don't you?

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
Patrick Henry, Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution

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“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these t***hs, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.”
– Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

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“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.”
– Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

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"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
– Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

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“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
– Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

“The m*****a of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the m*****a? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the m*****a. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American … the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
-Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

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"(C)onceived it to be the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made. The particular States, like private citizens, have a right to be armed, and to defend by force of arms, their rights, when invaded.”
-Roger Sherman, Debates on 1790 M*****a Act

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“The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”
-Zachariah Johnson, Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 25, 1788
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I suppose Patrick J. Charles never heard of any of these men; of if he did, ignored them because they disagreed with him and he is ever so much smarter than them. In all fairness, I would like to give Mr. Patrick J. Charles an opportunity to give us readers one instance, just one, in which one of the authors of the Second Amendment stated that the Right to Bear Arms was NOT an individual right. Just one. From the authors

Loki Loc: Georgia

Their study showing no relationship between gun control laws and reduction in crime.

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

My, my, look at all that peace and love from the land of fruits, nuts, and tolerance. Should make Brown, Pelosi, and Waters beam with p***e if not for their ignorance.

JoyV

The link I posted to the CDC stats on gun violence.

Loki Loc: Georgia

She meant everyone who isn't paid to carry a gun to protect her fat lesbian ass.

Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face

So true.

kcstargoat

Your points are facetious, if nothing else. I can't divine whether you are a liberal, or a lightly sarcastic conservative! The right to bear arms is the right to utilize such arms to protect our freedoms, such as they may be. Only a miniscule fraction of the American public use guns to commit crimes or in self defense.

Neander

My goodness; "all the reviewers think he is right". The only opinions that count are those of the Supreme Court, and as of this date they have not abrogated our right to bear arms.

In the end it will be the will of the people that matters. Over time, if our country survives, it will be the makeup of the SCOTUS that determines which, if any, restrictions are placed on gun ownership and use.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

What else could one expect from the extreme far left Center for American Progress?

promilitary

First, what part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

Second, I would need a list of the "reviewers."
We are, per capita, VERY LOW on the list of gun violence. Britain is much higher and the
have gun control!! But let's take a look at Switzerland on the other end of the spectrum.
All males over 18 must serve two years in the military; then they not only get to keep their weapon when they are discharged, they are REQUIRED to maintain it in their homes. Switzerland has almost no violent crime.
Now let's take a look at history.....One of the first things Stalin did was confiscate guns. One of the first things Hitler did was create a gun "registry". Total confiscation soon followed.....
turn in your guns, we will have a safer society, the military and police will protect you. How'd that work out????
As to "regulated." It's already regulated and it IS FEDERAL. And there is already federal background check. When you go in to purchase a gun you are required to fill out the federal form and there is an FBI check right then and there. The problem lies in the fact that those who fail the background check are not arrested and prosecuted.
There has been mention of UN gun control, i.e., confiscation which is the only path to gun control. Lots of luck with that. Really, how do you propose that the nutless UN might gather up our guns? A government buy-back? The vast majority of American gunowers are never
ever going to all for that crap. Mandatory surrender of all guns? That's laughable. There are millions of guns in the hands of American citizens for which there are NO records.
Now let's look at "gun safety" which is the new mantra for the Brady Bunch and Bloomberg. During the most recent heavy hunting season there were 600,000 h****rs in the State of Wisconsin. (This would comprise the 8th larges army in the world...more men under arms than the militaries of Germany and France combined). Over 750,000 h****rs hit the woods in Pennsylvania; more than 100,000 in Michigan and over 250,000 in Virginia....to name a few. Now multiply that by the other 46 states, that's millions more. Given that kind of well trained home-grown firepower, America will forever be safe from foreign invasion. It's not just a way to fill the freezer; it's a point of national security (that doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime.) Our own government might not see it this way....the likes of Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi.....but it is the reason our enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed. The reason STATED BY THE JAPANESE that they did not invade our country was because their top military leaders said.....In the United States there is a gun behind every
blade of grass.
As to the "m*****a." In most states every gun owner over the age of eighteen is automatically part of that state's m*****a.