Wee wee,
When your ignorant, of history and compounding that ignorance with false biblical Protestant doctrine.
Hell doesn't sound that far away, does it . . .
To put it in perspective, your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all, your own making . . . That's because of . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19 . . . And the Curse of "Sola Scriptura."
1. Show where "Self Interpretation," is taught the Bible, Torah, the Talmud or the in the Septuagint T***slation of the Hebrew Bible and other books into the Greek language, or in the New Testament Bible ? It's not there . . . Nor Did Jesus Christ teach this, or the Holy Spirit, and Nor God The Father . . . So your wrong on all three counts . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
a. Even the Jewish Rabbi's know's that "Self Interpretation" this is not acceptable Scripturally. That's why the Rabbi's and Jewish Scholars interpret the Torah for the Jewish people.
b. Jesus Christ with his Jewish foundation and his Christian foundation of his True Church The Catholic Church. Jesus spoke in parables and had to further teach his disciples. His disciple had to teach the Early Church Fathers and so on . . . so forth.
Till this very day, the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals and Priests and Deacons continue to rely on Christian Catholic Magisterium Christ centered teaching and has not changed for over One Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Six years. That is 1,986 years . . . oc sound containous Christ centered Magisterium doctrine.
2. Peewee, And I'd like you prove Biblically and Scripturally.
Where the Christian Catholic Church is a pagan/Christian doctrine. Remberer when you attack Christians then you are attacking the Protestant churches at the same time . . . There is a fine line here . . .
Please, No baseless Chick tracts compost, sound biblical references and scripture not taken out of context, but as Whole paragraphs and multiple biblical verses that support your false sudo-Protestant doctrine.
Might I suggest reading some of the Early Church Fathers (ECF) and their bishop discipleship and written doctrine.
Beause if you don't include the (ECF) I will hammer you with these facts . . . over and over again . . .
Your evangelical piddly church, and your Protestant Sola Scriptura is lucky to have 100 years of doctrine of Church teaching.
Your Protestantism continues to fragment daily because of "Self Interpretation," 33,000 Protestant divisions, sects and denominations that can't agree on anything.
Your Going against Jesus's expressed word . . . That we are to remain as one . . . And the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
Yeah I'd say your at a helluva disadvantage . . . And we haven't even come to Christian Catholic doctrine yet.
Apologetic's doesn't seem your strong personal disposition here, Wee wee . . . .
Moving forward here Wee wee. . .
Since the Catholic Church has been the caretaker of the Old and New Testament Bible and the roughly 400 years Oral Traditions of the New Testament Bible. Since 400 A.D. the Bible has been codified with 73 Books, and the 1517 Protestant bible just has 66 books.
Catholic and Orthodox call these books the Deuterocanonical books (meaning a second canon). Protestants call them "The Apocrypha" (from the Greek meaning "hidden"). These were in plain sight for over 2000 years. They were edited out of the Bible by the Protestant reformers. And that's is why . . .
1) Maccabees
2)Tobit
3)Judith
4)Wisdom of Solomon
5)Bara Sirach
6)Baruch
In addition to this, the protestants also removed several parts from the existing 39 books of their OT such as:
a. *After Daniel 3,23- the Prayer of Azariah and the three Young Men, who were put in the fire by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar
b. *Story of Susanna in 64 verses (Chapter 13 of the Book of Daniel) c. *The Bel and the D**gon (Chapter 14 of the Book of Daniel)
d. *Some parts of Esther. e. *Psalms 151
Now why is that ? After 1,117 years did they remove these books ? By What authority ?
Here are the Protestant Reasons:
1)The books that were removed supported such things as:
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
We all know the reason why ? Self interpretation again . . . Sola Scriptura it rears it's ugly head once again. Try and remember the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
2)Catholic and Orthodox Christians follow the Older version/canon of the Jewish Scriptures (OT) which was in Greek*.
a. While Protestants follow the New Masoretic Hebrew Text, which was a new canon or version invented by the Jews in 7th Century Ad (a new version of Old Testament 7 centuries After Christ!). Because the Judaism is a dead religion. . . No animal sacrifice required by Moses.
So Jewish scholars, philosophers etc. switched to Greek from Hebrew, just like we deal more in English than in Malayalam these days.
So the Scripture that was written down in the last 400 years Before Christ were all in Greek. The Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) is the worlds oldest surviving version of the OT, the Dead sea scrolls are in the same Greek (Septuagint).
Jewish Council removes the 7 books after AD 90!
The difference in the Old Testaments actually goes back to the time before and during Christ’s life. At this time, there was no official Jewish canon of scripture.
So Wee wee this is a moot point your making . . . on the differ Jewish different t***slation 90 A. D. 600 A.D.
As Christians, . . . Do we go by the Jewish Bible OT ? Or do we go by the Catholic Greek t***slation (Septuagint).
You didn't know this Wee wee ? Did you?
So you don't know your history. . . and Biblical theological foundations and you have been following false Protestant doctrine . . . all your life.
So all current Jewish t***slations are a mute point, that's because the Jewish people don't believe in Jesus Christ son of, Bar Joseph of Nazareth as their Messiah. The Old Testament only complements the New Testament.
The Old Testament complements the New Testament the Catholic three legged stool. Old testament Bible, New Testament Bible, Sacred oran traditions e.g. the Christ centered Catholic teaching arm, The Magisterium.
Thats because Jesus Christ Is the New Testament, is the last sacrifice lamb. As in Moses exodus where sacrificial lamb's blood was put on the Lentil doorway to ward of the Angel of Death . . . And the "Dead Jewish religion" and destruction of the Jewish temple and animal sacrifice and the Veil of the Holy of Holy's was torn.
Because the Jewish people Rejected the Messiah Jesus Christ. The New Covenant for His Christians people . . .
The New covenant was spoken by Jesus Christ many times.
Jesus Christ is the New testament and the New Covenant.
Christians don't come under Hebrew-Jewish religious torah law's except, The Ten Commandments and some other God's teachings.
So the debate or retort is the Catholic based bible, . . . and not the 7th Century Jewish version, Ad (a new version of Old Testament 600 A.D. centuries After Christ!). Now used Protestant bibles . . . Do you see how far the Protestants have strayed from the Catholic and the Orthodox Bible.
"Peewee," Here are sobering reminder, and Heed these biblical words from "Holy Inspired Words from God," . . . and Saint John . . . The Apocalypse . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
The Jews removed 7 books that meant ERASING 400 years of history. It also helped them to deny their Messiah-Jesus Christ.
The protestants removed these 7 books because they supported Christian practises such as, e.g.
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
Revelations 22:18,19 : “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:
If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy.
God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
"Revelations 22:18,19"Looks like your pretty well dammed . . . and no salvation in Heaven. So your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all your own making and believing in . . . Protestant Sola Scriptura.
Some mere thought on this subject the curse, e.g. Revelations 22:18,19.
“If our Bible should contain the unbroken Word of God from the Beginning of the World (Genesis) towards the End of the World (Book of Revelation) how can then there be a silence for 400 years before Jesus Christ's birth? And another thing, because the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church for 400 hundred years until the Holy Bible was compiled at the Council of Nicea.
Summary: What Really Happened at Nicea?
http://www.equip.org/article/what-really-happened-at-nicea/The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God.
Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the t***h, and in the end, t***h triumphed over error.
Removing books from the Bible is a serious matter, and is specifically condemned in Revelation 22.19.
When the authority for this removal depends specifically upon those who rejected the Christian message, perhaps it is time to question the basis of this change
Nevertheless, if we take the Deutero-canonical Books as the Word of God then there is no break at all. They tell us how God interacted with His people during the Inter testamental period of 400 years.
Thus the Deutercanonical Books makes a good bridge between the Old and the New Testament period.
We also understand the Judaism of the time of Jesus in a better way if we read those books.
Peewee wrote:
Gee Doc, you want to put me at a disadvantage from the start, by only using Catholic writings.
Nice try, lets use the Torah and Bible to debate.
You know, the one we both say our faith originated from.
Which you have already violated by calling me a fool.
Answer me this, which is to be taken more seriously, the original foundation documents or your combo pagan/Christian doctrine ?
Let's use the Dead Sea scrolls which has vindicated the accuracy of the modern Torah and Protestant Bible to be pretty accurate with a few minor t***slation errors.
It seems you only read Catholic doctrine and seldom read the scriptures, and if there is a conflict you go with the doctrine versus the scriptures.
Your move.
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