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Jan 17, 2018 11:23:49   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
'New California' movement seeks to divide the Golden State in half
Published January 17, 2018

Two men have launched a campaign to divide rural California from the coastal cities, motivated by what they referred to as a “tyrannical form of government,” that doesn’t follow the state or federal constitution, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Unlike the failed 2016 campaign to split California into 6 states, the “New California” movement, founded by Robert Paul Preston and Tom Reed, seeks to consolidate rural California into a distinct economy separate from the coast.

- New California movement
"After years of over taxation, regulation, and mono party politics the State of California and many of its 58 Counties have become ungovernable," the movement declares on its website.

Preston and Reed say the citizens of the state live “under a tyrannical form of government that does not follow the California and U.S. Constitutions.”

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston told CBS Sacramento.

The "founders" have evoked Article IV Section 3 of the United States Constitution as justification for establishing a new economy with a new state constitution.

It states that a consensus must be reached by the state legislatures of California as well as congress. The process, according to New California representatives, could take 10 to 18 months.

The New California movement unveiled a “Declaration of Independence,” earlier this week that called for a “free and Independent State” with “full power to establish and maintain law and order, to promote general prosperity.”

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Jan 17, 2018 12:37:53   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
'New California' movement seeks to divide the Golden State in half
Published January 17, 2018

Two men have launched a campaign to divide rural California from the coastal cities, motivated by what they referred to as a “tyrannical form of government,” that doesn’t follow the state or federal constitution, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Unlike the failed 2016 campaign to split California into 6 states, the “New California” movement, founded by Robert Paul Preston and Tom Reed, seeks to consolidate rural California into a distinct economy separate from the coast.

- New California movement
"After years of over taxation, regulation, and mono party politics the State of California and many of its 58 Counties have become ungovernable," the movement declares on its website.

Preston and Reed say the citizens of the state live “under a tyrannical form of government that does not follow the California and U.S. Constitutions.”

"There's something wrong when you have a rural county such as this one, and you go down to Orange County which is mostly urban, and it has the same set of problems, and it happens because of how the state is being governed and taxed," Preston told CBS Sacramento.

The "founders" have evoked Article IV Section 3 of the United States Constitution as justification for establishing a new economy with a new state constitution.

It states that a consensus must be reached by the state legislatures of California as well as congress. The process, according to New California representatives, could take 10 to 18 months.

The New California movement unveiled a “Declaration of Independence,” earlier this week that called for a “free and Independent State” with “full power to establish and maintain law and order, to promote general prosperity.”
'New California' movement seeks to divide the Gold... (show quote)





Typical that the far right sees division as "sanity".
The break-up of California is never going to happen, and everyone knows it.

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Jan 17, 2018 12:44:51   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Typical that the far right sees division as "sanity".
The break-up of California is never going to happen, and everyone knows it.


for the people of california I hope it does happen

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Jan 17, 2018 12:55:00   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Typical that the far right sees division as "sanity".
The break-up of California is never going to happen, and everyone knows it.


paulpiscec: Now that doesn't sound too progressive for a progressive? Why wouldn't a sane person want to separate themselves from insanity, and improve their lot in life! MAGA!

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Jan 17, 2018 13:02:37   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
bggamers wrote:
for the people of california I hope it does happen



From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell me that we are all better off together. Conservative and Liberal California are often each good checks against the excesses of the other.

From a political and economic perspective it's absurd.
The proposed Northern California would concentrate the wealthiest segment of the entire U.S., leaving the other 2 California states, which are poorer, in need of more federal support.
And since it is the water of Northern California that makes Southern California the most productive farming on Earth, I don't see how anyone there would see it a good thing to create additional roadblocks/beurocracy for getting said water.

I also find it odd for conservatives to suggest that creating more government is a good thing.



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Jan 17, 2018 13:18:50   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PaulPisces wrote:
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell me that we are all better off together. Conservative and Liberal California are often each good checks against the excesses of the other.

From a political and economic perspective it's absurd.
The proposed Northern California would concentrate the wealthiest segment of the entire U.S., leaving the other 2 California states, which are poorer, in need of more federal support.
And since it is the water of Northern California that makes Southern California the most productive farming on Earth, I don't see how anyone there would see it a good thing to create additional roadblocks/beurocracy for getting said water.

I also find it odd for conservatives to suggest that creating more government is a good thing.
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell... (show quote)


paul: I find it very strange that you enjoy the current situation in CA......Rob from the rich to give to the poor of better yet to the current liability! Can't you see what i*****l a***ns are doing to the Republic? Naw....I'm wasting my time...We will just let time take it's toll on the buffoonery in CA.

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Jan 17, 2018 13:44:10   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
paul: I find it very strange that you enjoy the current situation in CA......Rob from the rich to give to the poor of better yet to the current liability! Can't you see what i*****l a***ns are doing to the Republic? Naw....I'm wasting my time...We will just let time take it's toll on the buffoonery in CA.


Just wondering. Where is your "Shangri La" of your noted location?

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Jan 17, 2018 13:47:08   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Just wondering. Where is your "Shangri La" of your noted location?


It's no where near CA! I know how to keep secrets!

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Jan 17, 2018 15:04:44   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
PaulPisces wrote:
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell me that we are all better off together. Conservative and Liberal California are often each good checks against the excesses of the other.

From a political and economic perspective it's absurd.
The proposed Northern California would concentrate the wealthiest segment of the entire U.S., leaving the other 2 California states, which are poorer, in need of more federal support.
And since it is the water of Northern California that makes Southern California the most productive farming on Earth, I don't see how anyone there would see it a good thing to create additional roadblocks/beurocracy for getting said water.

I also find it odd for conservatives to suggest that creating more government is a good thing.
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell... (show quote)


There is NO conservative Ca.....You libs hijacked California that i used to love,now cant stand it!!! I would rather live in New Cali then live here where Gov only cares about your fricking i******s instead of legal citizens they swore to serve and protect!!!!

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Jan 18, 2018 12:40:41   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
proud republican wrote:
There is NO conservative Ca.....You libs hijacked California that i used to love,now cant stand it!!! I would rather live in New Cali then live here where Gov only cares about your fricking i******s instead of legal citizens they swore to serve and protect!!!!


Sorry you have had such a bad experience here, PR. California has been very good to me in the 24 years I have lived here. That despite the offensive passage of Prop 8, which was of course ultimately declared unconstitutional.

I continue to think we all have more in common than we admit, and that our diversity makes us stronger.

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Jan 18, 2018 13:56:36   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Sorry you have had such a bad experience here, PR. California has been very good to me in the 24 years I have lived here. That despite the offensive passage of Prop 8, which was of course ultimately declared unconstitutional.

I continue to think we all have more in common than we admit, and that our diversity makes us stronger.


paulpiscek: Just one of many pieces on the insanity in CA!

California Bankrupt?
by Michael Snyder

Is the state of California bankrupt? Well, an increasing number of politicians and economic analysts are answering that question in the affirmative. The t***h is that California is a complete and total economic disaster area. The state government of California is projected to have a budget deficit of at least 19 billion dollars this year, and next year the budget gap is projected to grow to 37 billion dollars. To put that in perspective, the entire budget for the government of California is only about $125 billion per year. Already, California’s credit rating is the lowest of all 50 states, and there are persistent rumors that it is about to go lower. If California’s credit rating is slashed, it will be very expensive for them to borrow the money that they desperately need. Once upon a time, the state of California was the poster child for the American Dream, but now it is on the leading edge of America’s rapidly unfolding economic nightmare.




Leaders from both major political parties in California have been increasingly using the word “bankruptcy” in recent weeks. In fact, California Attorney General Jerry Brown was very open about California’s horrific finances when he recently told a group of young Democrats the following….

“California is deeply in debt. You could say that it’s bankrupt.”

Jean Ross, executive director of the California Budget Project was even more direct when she recently issued the following ominous warning about California’s finances….

“We are on the verge of system failure.”

The t***h is that California is literally drowning in a sea of red ink. They keep making larger and larger budget cuts, but the financial problems just continue to get worse.

Already, the severe budget cuts are turning California into a shell of what it once was, and yet everyone agrees that even deeper cuts are needed. But what will California look like at the end of this? The new “normal” may look a whole lot different from the “California Dream” that once drew so many people to the state. A recent article in the Globe and Mail put it this way….

Mass layoffs, slashed health and welfare services, closed parks, crumbling superhighways and ever-larger public school class sizes are all part of the new normal.

The biggest crisis of all may be the state’s pension fund. CalPERS currently has about $16.3 billion more in liabilities than assets. Not only that, but a state report released earlier this year says that California is also facing a $51.8 billion bill for the health and dental benefits of current and future state retirees.

Ouch.

So where in the world are the taxes going to come from to pay for all of these obligations?

It is hard to see a way out of this mess, especially considering the fact that California’s economy is coming apart like a 20 dollar suit.

Right now businesses are shutting down in California at an alarming rate. In the region around Sacramento there is now one closed business for every six that are still open.

Not only that, but unemployment in California has reached unprecedented levels. There are now 8 counties in the state that have unemployment rates of over 20 percent.

To put that in perspective, consider the following. The number of people now unemployed in the state of California is equal to the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined.

Yes, things really are that bad in California.

Nobody has a safe job anymore – not even teachers. Just recently, the state of California handed pink slips to nearly 22,000 teachers across the state.

Can you imagine firing 22,000 teachers?

Unfortunately, firing all of those teachers barely even made a dent in California’s budget problems.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is pledging to seek “terrible cuts” in an effort to get California’s financial situation under control, but the t***h is that there are not many more areas that can be slashed without v**er approval.

Bob Herbert of the New York Times recently described California’s horrific budget crisis this way….

California has cut billions of dollars from its education system, including its renowned network of public colleges and universities. Many thousands of teachers have been let go. Budget officials travel the state with a glazed look in their eyes, having tried everything they can think of to balance the state budget. And still the deficits persist.

On top of everything else, California’s health care system is also on the verge of collapse. In fact, literally dozens of California hospitals and emergency rooms have shut down over the past ten years.

Why have so many shut down?

The t***h is that many hospitals and emergency rooms simply could not afford to stay open as they were endlessly swamped with i*****l i*******ts, unemployed Californians and homeless people who were simply not able to pay for the services that they were receiving.

As a result of these hospital and emergency room closings, the rest of the health care system in California is now beyond overloaded. This had led to brutally long waits, diverted ambulances and even unnecessary patient deaths.

And unfortunately, the number of people in California who are unable to pay for their emergency medical care is only increasing.

According to one study, approximately 1 out of every 4 Californians under the age of 65 had absolutely no health insurance last year.

So could California actually go bankrupt?

Well, yes.

An article in Slate recently described how it would work….

Say the state can’t make its debt payments, and no one will lend it any more money. In that case, the federal government can step in and put the state into receivership. This would involve the assignment of an accountant to manage the state’s debt, overseen by a judge. It would be a lot like bankruptcy, except instead of following a structured set of steps—informing creditors, appointing creditors’ committees, a 120-day window to file a plan, etc.—a receiver has the authority to force creditors to renegotiate loans in a speedy fashion. However, the accountant in charge would not have the power to make decisions about the state’s budget, such as which programs needed to be cut and which taxes had to be raised. (No state has ever gone into receivership.)

Let us hope that this does not happen, but the t***h is that California is facing a rapidly rising tide of red ink that it cannot possibly handle. Without a massive amount of federal money, California finances are doomed.

But California is far from alone. They are just on the bleeding edge of a horrific financial bloodbath. State and local governments all over the United States are in financial panic mode, and as the U.S. economy continues to implode, things are only going to go from bad to worse.

So buckle up my friends – we are in for a bumpy ride.

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Jan 18, 2018 20:53:54   #
Nutter Loc: Fly Over Zone
 
This is old news, Arnold was last governor in January 2011.

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Jan 19, 2018 13:19:20   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
paulpiscek: Just one of many pieces on the insanity in CA!

California Bankrupt?
by Michael Snyder

Is the state of California bankrupt? Well, an increasing number of politicians and economic analysts are answering that question in the affirmative. The t***h is that California is a complete and total economic disaster area. The state government of California is projected to have a budget deficit of at least 19 billion dollars this year, and next year the budget gap is projected to grow to 37 billion dollars. To put that in perspective, the entire budget for the government of California is only about $125 billion per year. Already, California’s credit rating is the lowest of all 50 states, and there are persistent rumors that it is about to go lower. If California’s credit rating is slashed, it will be very expensive for them to borrow the money that they desperately need. Once upon a time, the state of California was the poster child for the American Dream, but now it is on the leading edge of America’s rapidly unfolding economic nightmare.



I actually meant to thank you for adding the familiar "Pisek" to my name!





Leaders from both major political parties in California have been increasingly using the word “bankruptcy” in recent weeks. In fact, California Attorney General Jerry Brown was very open about California’s horrific finances when he recently told a group of young Democrats the following….

“California is deeply in debt. You could say that it’s bankrupt.”

Jean Ross, executive director of the California Budget Project was even more direct when she recently issued the following ominous warning about California’s finances….

“We are on the verge of system failure.”

The t***h is that California is literally drowning in a sea of red ink. They keep making larger and larger budget cuts, but the financial problems just continue to get worse.

Already, the severe budget cuts are turning California into a shell of what it once was, and yet everyone agrees that even deeper cuts are needed. But what will California look like at the end of this? The new “normal” may look a whole lot different from the “California Dream” that once drew so many people to the state. A recent article in the Globe and Mail put it this way….

Mass layoffs, slashed health and welfare services, closed parks, crumbling superhighways and ever-larger public school class sizes are all part of the new normal.

The biggest crisis of all may be the state’s pension fund. CalPERS currently has about $16.3 billion more in liabilities than assets. Not only that, but a state report released earlier this year says that California is also facing a $51.8 billion bill for the health and dental benefits of current and future state retirees.

Ouch.

So where in the world are the taxes going to come from to pay for all of these obligations?

It is hard to see a way out of this mess, especially considering the fact that California’s economy is coming apart like a 20 dollar suit.

Right now businesses are shutting down in California at an alarming rate. In the region around Sacramento there is now one closed business for every six that are still open.

Not only that, but unemployment in California has reached unprecedented levels. There are now 8 counties in the state that have unemployment rates of over 20 percent.

To put that in perspective, consider the following. The number of people now unemployed in the state of California is equal to the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined.

Yes, things really are that bad in California.

Nobody has a safe job anymore – not even teachers. Just recently, the state of California handed pink slips to nearly 22,000 teachers across the state.

Can you imagine firing 22,000 teachers?

Unfortunately, firing all of those teachers barely even made a dent in California’s budget problems.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is pledging to seek “terrible cuts” in an effort to get California’s financial situation under control, but the t***h is that there are not many more areas that can be slashed without v**er approval.

Bob Herbert of the New York Times recently described California’s horrific budget crisis this way….

California has cut billions of dollars from its education system, including its renowned network of public colleges and universities. Many thousands of teachers have been let go. Budget officials travel the state with a glazed look in their eyes, having tried everything they can think of to balance the state budget. And still the deficits persist.

On top of everything else, California’s health care system is also on the verge of collapse. In fact, literally dozens of California hospitals and emergency rooms have shut down over the past ten years.

Why have so many shut down?

The t***h is that many hospitals and emergency rooms simply could not afford to stay open as they were endlessly swamped with i*****l i*******ts, unemployed Californians and homeless people who were simply not able to pay for the services that they were receiving.

As a result of these hospital and emergency room closings, the rest of the health care system in California is now beyond overloaded. This had led to brutally long waits, diverted ambulances and even unnecessary patient deaths.

And unfortunately, the number of people in California who are unable to pay for their emergency medical care is only increasing.

According to one study, approximately 1 out of every 4 Californians under the age of 65 had absolutely no health insurance last year.

So could California actually go bankrupt?

Well, yes.

An article in Slate recently described how it would work….

Say the state can’t make its debt payments, and no one will lend it any more money. In that case, the federal government can step in and put the state into receivership. This would involve the assignment of an accountant to manage the state’s debt, overseen by a judge. It would be a lot like bankruptcy, except instead of following a structured set of steps—informing creditors, appointing creditors’ committees, a 120-day window to file a plan, etc.—a receiver has the authority to force creditors to renegotiate loans in a speedy fashion. However, the accountant in charge would not have the power to make decisions about the state’s budget, such as which programs needed to be cut and which taxes had to be raised. (No state has ever gone into receivership.)

Let us hope that this does not happen, but the t***h is that California is facing a rapidly rising tide of red ink that it cannot possibly handle. Without a massive amount of federal money, California finances are doomed.

But California is far from alone. They are just on the bleeding edge of a horrific financial bloodbath. State and local governments all over the United States are in financial panic mode, and as the U.S. economy continues to implode, things are only going to go from bad to worse.

So buckle up my friends – we are in for a bumpy ride.
paulpiscek: Just one of many pieces on the insani... (show quote)




I meant to thank you for adding the familiar "Pisek" to my name! I had no idea you knew me so well!





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Jan 29, 2018 20:19:02   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
PaulPisces wrote:
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell me that we are all better off together. Conservative and Liberal California are often each good checks against the excesses of the other.

From a political and economic perspective it's absurd.
The proposed Northern California would concentrate the wealthiest segment of the entire U.S., leaving the other 2 California states, which are poorer, in need of more federal support.
And since it is the water of Northern California that makes Southern California the most productive farming on Earth, I don't see how anyone there would see it a good thing to create additional roadblocks/beurocracy for getting said water.

I also find it odd for conservatives to suggest that creating more government is a good thing.
From a cultural perspective, my 22 years here tell... (show quote)


Perhaps all your leaders of this state might want to ASK the people of this state what they think of all the rules and regs they pass. They are driving companys out of this state . California is so much finacial trouble its scarey. Perhaps these people dont want to go down with the libral ship

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