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Conservative Forbes: Reid Right and Kochs Broke Federal Law w/Obamacare Ad
Mar 11, 2014 17:54:08   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Conservative speaking t***h about obamacare in this link and when it comes to obeying the law, conservatives will hold other conservatives accountable to Federal Trade Act laws.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/03/11/koch-backed-organization-uses-cancer-victim-to-run-deceptive-anti-obamacare-tv-ad-violates-ftc-law/

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Mar 11, 2014 18:59:44   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Conservative speaking t***h about obamacare in this link and when it comes to obeying the law, conservatives will hold other conservatives accountable to Federal Trade Act laws.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/03/11/koch-backed-organization-uses-cancer-victim-to-run-deceptive-anti-obamacare-tv-ad-violates-ftc-law/


I really get a kick out of these articles in that they always make a big argument about big numbers. My son, who is 29 now, was cancelled by Blue Cross because certain parts of his policy didn't satisfy ACA orders. It seemed that he could have gone on with the same company, which he did, but he had to add maternity care, pediatric dental care and pediatric eye care to his policy to have it acceptable. Well now he got insured by the same company because the Kansas people allowed it. His new policy provided maternity care, which he has no use for since he is not able to get pregnant and isn't married and lives alone. He lost his dental care in place of care for children none of which he has and none of his non-existent children wear glasses, either. Yeah, he is worse off and has to spend some over $20 per month to have his insurance.

Ain't that Obamacare wonderful. Multiply him by the millions of people who lost their insurance and it seems to me that too many millions of dollars have gone to insurance companies and Obamacare. Did the Kochs have anything to do with all that?

Your thread title says the Kochs were the bad guys and your article says it was AFP who were the bad guys, but I guess it does say that the Kochs do support AFP. Using Democrat logic it seems you may be right, but also, wrong as hell because I didn't see the Kochs involved in this ad, directly.

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Mar 11, 2014 20:11:55   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Yep, I thought they were but like you said, they're just the funding source of it and aren't directly involved legally. They can probably support the legal battle too.

oldroy wrote:
I really get a kick out of these articles in that they always make a big argument about big numbers. My son, who is 29 now, was cancelled by Blue Cross because certain parts of his policy didn't satisfy ACA orders. It seemed that he could have gone on with the same company, which he did, but he had to add maternity care, pediatric dental care and pediatric eye care to his policy to have it acceptable. Well now he got insured by the same company because the Kansas people allowed it. His new policy provided maternity care, which he has no use for since he is not able to get pregnant and isn't married and lives alone. He lost his dental care in place of care for children none of which he has and none of his non-existent children wear glasses, either. Yeah, he is worse off and has to spend some over $20 per month to have his insurance.

Ain't that Obamacare wonderful. Multiply him by the millions of people who lost their insurance and it seems to me that too many millions of dollars have gone to insurance companies and Obamacare. Did the Kochs have anything to do with all that?

Your thread title says the Kochs were the bad guys and your article says it was AFP who were the bad guys, but I guess it does say that the Kochs do support AFP. Using Democrat logic it seems you may be right, but also, wrong as hell because I didn't see the Kochs involved in this ad, directly.
I really get a kick out of these articles in that ... (show quote)

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Mar 12, 2014 14:48:14   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Conservative speaking t***h about obamacare in this link and when it comes to obeying the law, conservatives will hold other conservatives accountable to Federal Trade Act laws.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/03/11/koch-backed-organization-uses-cancer-victim-to-run-deceptive-anti-obamacare-tv-ad-violates-ftc-law/


If legal action is taken, I doubt Ms. Boonstra or AFP will be found guilty of anything. The problem arises that the Michigan BlueCross Gold plan does not have a "maximum out of pocket" of $5100, but a maximum deductible of $5100. In the old days deductible and out of pocket were interchangeable terms. However, under the new law Michigan BlueCross Gold plan only covers 90% of expenses above the deductible, the individual is responsible for the other 10%.

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Mar 12, 2014 19:40:58   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
If legal action is taken, I doubt Ms. Boonstra or AFP will be found guilty of anything. The problem arises that the Michigan BlueCross Gold plan does not have a "maximum out of pocket" of $5100, but a maximum deductible of $5100. In the old days deductible and out of pocket were interchangeable terms. However, under the new law Michigan BlueCross Gold plan only covers 90% of expenses above the deductible, the individual is responsible for the other 10%.


You're taking about the $2,500 deductible after which she only pays 10% but most have to pay 20% but it all goes toward the $5,100 out of pocket max which is all she owes besides the premiums.

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Mar 12, 2014 22:24:11   #
bna42 Loc: Dixie
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
If legal action is taken, I doubt Ms. Boonstra or AFP will be found guilty of anything. The problem arises that the Michigan BlueCross Gold plan does not have a "maximum out of pocket" of $5100, but a maximum deductible of $5100. In the old days deductible and out of pocket were interchangeable terms. However, under the new law Michigan BlueCross Gold plan only covers 90% of expenses above the deductible, the individual is responsible for the other 10%.


There should be no legal action because it is a campaign ad and EVERY campaign ad is full of lies. Judge Napolitano recently said that an individual can say anything he wants in a campaign ad, even if it's not true. The ones who should experience legal action are people like Harry Reid who said Mitt Romney hasn't paid income taxes in 10 years, and more recently said everyone who told a horror story about their Obamacare experience were ALL liars. Or how about Pelosi with her anonymous GOP "friend" who supposedly said the Republicans didn't care about children and poor people?



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Mar 13, 2014 10:26:57   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
UncleJesse wrote:
You're taking about the $2,500 deductible after which she only pays 10% but most have to pay 20% but it all goes toward the $5,100 out of pocket max which is all she owes besides the premiums.


http://www.bcbsm.com/index/plans/michigan-health-insurance/gold/premier-ppo.html

I wonder what pharmacies are "in-network." There are counties in Michigan without so much as an "in-network" emergency care provider.

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Mar 13, 2014 20:33:03   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
The more she talks, the more it reveals her confusion. In her letter to the public printed in the paper, she said she was trying to reach out to her congressman Gary Peters but he refused to help. The fact is that her congressional district is held by republican Walhberg and Gary Peters isn't running for congress, he's running for senate.

Yes, I checked your link and the in-network pharmacies are ten miles from Dexter in Ann Arbor. Even if in-network pharmacies were too far, the plan has information about a mail-order pharmacy and rural areas get mail. But she bought a pharmacy savings card when all her meds are being covered by the Blue Plan. More confusion.

Lesson learned: call your insurance customer service and ask them before believing what you see on tv political ads.

I didn't research any in-network emergency care facilities in rural Michigan but ER treatments are handled the same whether it is in-network or not. Are you thinking of preventative care? Preventative care is where the in-network part applies.

Augustus Greatorex wrote:
http://www.bcbsm.com/index/plans/michigan-health-insurance/gold/premier-ppo.html

I wonder what pharmacies are "in-network." There are counties in Michigan without so much as an "in-network" emergency care provider.

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