UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

I guess liberals got this one right. Although conservatives like Fox and Americans For Prosperity jumped the gun, they were just trying to help citizens. With help like that, citizens don't need enemies.

I'm sure they'll set the record straight on Megan Kelly's show how the one will save at least $1,200 (but doesn't believe it) and the other could've saved by shopping on the obamacare exchange if she hadn't believed doing so would destroy America.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-talk-huppke-obamacare-horror-stories-20140311,0,5461490.story

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100/Dexter-cancer-patient-save-money-health-plan-called-unaffordable-ad

Besides, citizens understand how anti-obamacare ads are "emblematic" and not to be construed as fact.

It's stuff like this that spoils citizens from even listening to conservative talking points anymore. What a shame. It is after all, a republican invention and a conservative value to take personal responsibility in purchasing health insurance and stop being dependent on the insured.

Predicted response: Similar to Boonstra's quote, "I personally don't believe that".

Predicted impact: Main street roll's their eyes and lends an ear to more liberal ideas.

Patty

Now for what was actually said without the Chicago liberal twist to it. Do you people even research these things before posting them?

"Sorry, liberals: Walmart health plans beat Obamacare
Lib Kirsten Powers, long an Obamacare supporter, is one of the many caught in the same web of deceit as those of us who have always opposed this terrible law. She got her come-uppance recently when she, too, received a cancellation notice in the mail from her health insurer.

“I’m in the individual market and I got the letter, the same letter everyone’s talking about. I live in D.C., so it’s a state exchange, and I went on and I guess I can roughly get the same insurance…but it will go up from about $160 a month and a $2,500 deductible — if I want to keep a $2,500 deductible, it will go up to about $300 a month,” Powers explained to Megan Kelly, during an appearance on Fox News‘ “The Kelly File.”
Megan Kelley went on to quote a Washington Examiner report that Walmart has better HC plans than Obama care.
"But a Washington Examiner comparison of the two health insurance programs found that Walmart’s plan is more affordable and provides significantly better access to high-quality medical care than Obamacare." I guess that was a pretty close interpretation for a liberal though. We have come to expect no less and you never disappoint.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

You totally missed the point of the Walmart case and it shows to me an example of how the liberals were correct:

When you have a large pool of clients like Walmart, you can negotiate better deals with providers. That's why obamacare health exchanges were supposed to be set up in states -- to leverage competition (a conservative value).

Sometime, I wonder if conservatives even know what conservative values are anymore when they can't see the difference between an individual-based market and an employer-based one from Walmart that dwarfs the marketplace in the District of Columbia.

Patty

Your headline is completely misleading as to what was actually said. That is the point.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

I know, I was frustrated because I believed Fox and the Americans For Prosperity Ads that are misleading and the latter ended saying that citizens understand the ads are "emblematic". Yet, Fox reports on them like they're true and lets the dang liberals get the whole story out making Fox look like fools who never compared the insurance policies before airing it.

It's also frustrating because the liberals stole the conservative idea but put the liberal twists on it with expanding Medicaid. Now, how are conservatives going to make a case that they will repeal obamacare and replace it with obamacare minus Medicaid? The damage has been done and now it turns out the ads are wrong which is like handing your enemy a stick to beat you with. Not very smart.

docwill

[quote=UncleJesse]You totally missed the point of the Walmart case and it shows to me an example of how the liberals were correct:

When you have a large pool of clients like Walmart, you can negotiate better deals with providers. That's why obamacare health exchanges were supposed to be set up in states -- to leverage competition (a conservative value).

Majorly wrong Uncle. The Walmart plan works for the reasons you state and it can be changed as markets change, plus the employees have choices to join, not to join, what benefits they want and etc. ObamaCare mandates coverages, wanted/needed or not, restricts panels, restricts customer choices and locks the citizens in. Ins. Co's are not angelic but ObamaCare strictly controls the citizens' actions and rewards the evil ins. co.'s with guaranteed customers and tax-payor bailouts if the system goes upsidedown.

Most of the complaints around the original non-gov't ins. system were solvable without the heavyhanded political and bureaucratic interference...

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Evil insurance company? You've got to be kidding, since when is business and profit evil? It creates jobs, stimulates investment and with everyone required to purchase it, increases the economic growth (conservative value). Health insurance is a personal responsibility (conservative value). A federal standard for coverage opens the door to insurance competition across state lines which should be the next step (conservative value). The so-called bailout is a business incentive to reduce fiduciary risk (conservative value).

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docwill

Nice fallacy....

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

There surely are a lot of Walmart stores in the DC area, aren't there? Come on and try a little bit. Answer the Kirsten Powers problem and multiply all those who have lost their policies and stop trying so hard to prove nothing.

Try to remember that libs talk so often about Walmart allowing only30 hours or less so they can avoid supplying health insurance for their workers. You make a lot of sense if Walmart really did allow their workers to work 40 hours before Obamacare became the real ruler of health care.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

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Uncle Jess isn't going to like your answer about the solvability of health care without the heavy hand of government being involved. I like what you said and have to agree 100% with it.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

They have 2.2 million employees which allows them to negotiate insurance plans even for the pt while DC has a total population of 635 thousand.

I had believed the Kirsten story seeing her as the Fox lib with so much disgust for obamacare but now I'm skeptical since she never divulged the details of the policies she is talking about. The liberal reporters investigated better than Megan Kelley ever did and discovered about Boonstra and the other lady in Oregon. Seeing that Kirsten is not sick and hasn't shown anything, I'm skeptical. I know in general, premiums went up but other costs came down. In Boonstra's case both came down. I'm taking the Kirsten case with a grain of salt now given what is going on Fox as "emblematic" as opposed to actual fact and math.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

Could've allowed a greater tax deduction for medical bills as opposed to the 7.5% net income rule that is now 10% with obamacare. Also could've allowed them to borrow the cost for medical bills or insurance premiums at a low rate or fee (fund it but gets paid back monthly from pay check)and prohibited medical bills from affecting a citizen's credit rating. Could've allowed private group plans an incentive to offer it to those with pre-existing conditions with Federal subsidy and medical industry and employer tax incentive without affecting existing plans and keeping it privatized without expanding Medicaid. Could've increased the incentive for folks to buy insurance with a modest health saving account contribution funded by state and fed and allowing pre-tax dollars to feed it.

Other conservative ideas were silenced by elitist conservatives who mocked other conservatives that were avoiding the repeal strategy which has failed. It's a done deal that would hurt business more by repealing it. I am very familiar with other solutions but they all take some sort of agreement in the insurance industry, businesses and a national framework for it to occur at the same time and in the same way in all states for any reform to work. The market has had decades to solve it and never could.

Patty

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cold iron Loc: White House

Hay UncleJesse what are you dipping that carrot in? Your lefty news article failed to mention that her doctor (a specialist in cancer) was no longer available to her and a so so doctor was to take his place. I wonder if you would put her shoes on.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Being minimally informed provides comfort to some - relax and enjoy your alternate reality