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Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins
Dec 17, 2017 08:10:51   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins (Part 1)

Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/luther-lutherans-mortal-venial-sins.html


Martin Luther: The Book of Concord:The Smalcald Articles.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . Open, mortal sins, such as adultery, homicide, fornication, theft, robbery, usury, slander, etc.

The purpose to avoid these sins belongs properly to sacramental Confession, and to confession before God it belongs at any moment after the sins have been committed;

According to the word of Ecclesiasticus, “My son, hast thou sinned?

Do so no more, but ask pardon for thy former sins,” [Ecclus. 21:1] and again,

“Make no tarrying to turn to the Lord.”
[Ecclus. 5:8] (A Discussion of Confession, 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915];

Note how Luther cites a deuterocanonical book) Nay:

It is the communion of saints.

Otherwise you could not bear even a venial sin, . . .
(The Fourteen of Consolation, 1520; Pt. II; ch. 6; tr. A. T. W. Steinhaeuser;

In Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

For we can in no better way learn how to distinguish between greater and lesser sins than by noting the order of the Commandments of God, although there are distinctions also within the works of each Commandment.

For who does not know that to curse is a greater sin than to be angry, to strike than to curse, to strike father and mother more than to strike any one else?

(Treatise on Good Works, March 1520; tr. W. A. Lambert; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

They all teach that it is not necessary to confess venial sins, but because I say it, it must be heresy.
[sarcasm at the end] (An Argument in Defense of All the Articles of Dr. Martin Luther Wrongly Condemned in the Roman Bull, Dec. 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume III [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co. and The Castle Press: 1930])

It is, accordingly, necessary to know and to teach that when holy men, still having and feeling original sin, also daily repenting of and striving with it, happen to fall into manifest sins, as David into adultery, murder, and blasphemy, that then faith and the Holy Ghost has departed from them [they cast out faith and the Holy Ghost].

For the Holy Ghost does not permit sin to have d******n, to gain the upper hand so as to be accomplished, but represses and restrains it so that it must not do what it wishes.

But if it does what it wishes, the Holy Ghost and faith are [certainly] not present. For St. John says, 1 John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, … and he cannot sin.

And yet it is also the t***h when the same St. John says, 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the t***h is not in us.

(Smalcald Articles, 1537, Part III, Article III. Of Repentance., section 43)

Part III, Article III. Of Repentance.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

Of the False Repentance of the Papists.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . David loses his son Absalom, who dies in mortal sin and is condemned –  . . . (Lectures on Genesis, Chapters 21-25, May 1540, ed. Jaroslav Pelikan, tr. George V. Schick;

In Luther’s Works, American edition, edited by Jaroslav Pelikan [volumes 1-30] and Helmut T. Lehmann [volumes 31-55], St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House [volumes 1-30]; Philadelphia: Fortress Press [volumes 31-55], starting in 1955, vol. 2)

[Lutheran apologist Nathan Rinne, writing about Luther’s opposition to antinomianism, stated:

1. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 1 (of 5): Natural Law
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-1-of-5-natural-law/

2. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 2 (of 5): Under the Law?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/07/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-2-of-5-under-the-law/

3. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 3 (of 5): the Law Abrogated?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-3-of-5-the-law-abrogated/

4. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 4 (of 5): Preaching the Law not to Condemn?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-4-of-5-preaching-the-law-not-to-condemn/

5. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 5 (of 5): Welcome “Mr. Sin” Boldly!
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/16/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-5-of-5-welcome-mr-sin-boldly/

“Luther is not denying, but is rather upholding, the distinction between venial and mortal sins.

[b]Simply put, venial sins are done vs. the renewed will of the Christian, while mortal sins are done with his full consent and pleasure . . .” [/b]

See also an article of his about the same topic]

Is the distinction between mortal and venial sin helpful?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/is-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin-helpful/

Is there a Protestant Consensus on Justification?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/protestant-consensus-justification/


Apology for the Augsburg Confession 
[written by Philip Melanchthon in 1530]

The Defense of the Augsburg Confession
http://bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php
a. Article IV: Of Justification  [1]
b. What Is Justifying Faith? [48]
c. That Faith in Christ Justifies. [61]
d. That We Obtain Remission of Sins by Faith Alone in Christ. [75]

The adversaries feign that faith is only a knowledge of the history, and therefore teach that it can coexist with mortal sin.

Hence they say nothing concerning faith, by which Paul so frequently says that men are justified, because those who are accounted righteous before God do not live in mortal sin. . . . [48]

But since we speak of such faith as is not an idle thought, but of that which liberates from death and produces a new life in hearts,

[Which is such a new light, life, and force in the heart as to renew our heart, mind, and spirit, makes new men of us and new creatures,]

And is the work of the Holy Ghost;

This does not coexist with mortal sin [for how can light and darkness coexist?], but as long as it is present, produces good fruits, as we will say after a while. . . . [64-65]

. . . They say that these passages of Scripture, (which speak of faith,) ought to be received as referring to a fides formata, i.e., they do not ascribe justification to faith except on account of love.

Yea, they do not, in any way, ascribe justification to faith, but only to love, because they dream that faith can coexist with mortal sin. . . . [109-110]

Nor, indeed, is this faith an idle knowledge, neither can it coexist with mortal sin, but it is a work of the Holy Ghost, whereby we are freed from death, and terrified minds are encouraged and quickened.
[115]

(End Part 1)

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Dec 17, 2017 08:11:58   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins (Part 2)

Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/luther-lutherans-mortal-venial-sins.html


Martin Luther: The Book of Concord:The Smalcald Articles.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance


Martin Chemnitz:

Fr. Aidan Kimel [now Orthodox] described his view in an article from 12-13-04:

Can Lutherans Commit Mortal Sins? Eclectic Orthodoxy . . . .
https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/can-lutherans-commit-mortal-sins/

[]he distinction between mortal and venial sins has enjoyed a place within the dogmatic tradition of Lutheranism.

16th century theologian Martin Chemnitz discusses this distinction at length in his Loci Theologici [1586]. Chemnitz makes the following points:

Loci Theologici (Chemnitz's Works) This extensive theological overview is a commentary on Melanchthon's Loci Communes by the chief author of the Formula of Concord. Drawing on Lutheran tradition, Chemnitz explores all the major theological categories: The Trinity, Creation, Revenge, Poverty, and more.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0758615477/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=

1) From God’s perspective, all sins, no matter how insignificant, are mortal and “worthy of the curse and eternal death” (II:675).

He approvingly cites Luther:

“Mortal sin and venial sin are distinguished from each other not on the basis of the substance of the deed involved or according to some difference in the sin committed, but on the basis of the person or because of the difference of those who commit the sin.”

There are of course degrees of gravity between sins and so “there are also degrees among the damned because of the difference in their sins.

Yet all are in damnation” (II:675).


2) Consequently, it is difficult to know when a person has committed a mortal sin in this life, but Chemnitz suggests the following criterion:

Mortal sins in the regenerate can be recognized “when the regenerate refuse to repent, do not fight against sin but indulge in wicked lusts and knowingly and willingly act upon them.

For where there is no repentance, there there is no faith, and no grace.

When a person refuses to repent, at the same time the Holy Spirit is driven out and faith is lost” (II:676).

And with the loss of faith the grace of God, the remission of sins, and the inheritance of eternal life are lost “and the person is again guilty of the wrath of God, eternal death, and condemnation” (II:678).

Yet even still, the person who has committed mortal sin may be saved by repentance and the return to Christ.


3) Sins are venial in the regenerate when they are accompanied by the struggle against sinful desires and continual repentance.

Even if a person consents to sin, the sin is demonstrated to be venial if he immediately repents of his sin:

Even if the fires of depraved lusts in their great power take the regenerate as captives either to the point of consent or to the actual performance of some evil work, yet if they immediately repent in sorrow and in faith seek forgiveness, it is certain that the Holy Spirit has been grieved or hurt, but not yet crushed, and faith and the grace of God have not been lost.

For the Holy Spirit works in the regenerate that he may rise again as a righteous person, even if he falls seven times in a day. (II:679)

Chemnitz is clear, however, that repentance involves more than just an acknowledgement of sin but a change in behavior:

“For what kind of nonsense is it to devise for ourselves a license to sin and in our hearts to say, ‘It will do no harm as I say to myself that I am repenting’” (II:681).

This is the appearance of repentance;

It is not true repentance.

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Dec 17, 2017 12:18:43   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Doc110 wrote:
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins (Part 2)

Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/luther-lutherans-mortal-venial-sins.html


Martin Luther: The Book of Concord:The Smalcald Articles.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance


Martin Chemnitz:

Fr. Aidan Kimel [now Orthodox] described his view in an article from 12-13-04:

Can Lutherans Commit Mortal Sins? Eclectic Orthodoxy . . . .
https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/can-lutherans-commit-mortal-sins/

[]he distinction between mortal and venial sins has enjoyed a place within the dogmatic tradition of Lutheranism.

16th century theologian Martin Chemnitz discusses this distinction at length in his Loci Theologici [1586]. Chemnitz makes the following points:

Loci Theologici (Chemnitz's Works) This extensive theological overview is a commentary on Melanchthon's Loci Communes by the chief author of the Formula of Concord. Drawing on Lutheran tradition, Chemnitz explores all the major theological categories: The Trinity, Creation, Revenge, Poverty, and more.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0758615477/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=

1) From God’s perspective, all sins, no matter how insignificant, are mortal and “worthy of the curse and eternal death” (II:675).

He approvingly cites Luther:

“Mortal sin and venial sin are distinguished from each other not on the basis of the substance of the deed involved or according to some difference in the sin committed, but on the basis of the person or because of the difference of those who commit the sin.”

There are of course degrees of gravity between sins and so “there are also degrees among the damned because of the difference in their sins.

Yet all are in damnation” (II:675).


2) Consequently, it is difficult to know when a person has committed a mortal sin in this life, but Chemnitz suggests the following criterion:

Mortal sins in the regenerate can be recognized “when the regenerate refuse to repent, do not fight against sin but indulge in wicked lusts and knowingly and willingly act upon them.

For where there is no repentance, there there is no faith, and no grace.

When a person refuses to repent, at the same time the Holy Spirit is driven out and faith is lost” (II:676).

And with the loss of faith the grace of God, the remission of sins, and the inheritance of eternal life are lost “and the person is again guilty of the wrath of God, eternal death, and condemnation” (II:678).

Yet even still, the person who has committed mortal sin may be saved by repentance and the return to Christ.


3) Sins are venial in the regenerate when they are accompanied by the struggle against sinful desires and continual repentance.

Even if a person consents to sin, the sin is demonstrated to be venial if he immediately repents of his sin:

Even if the fires of depraved lusts in their great power take the regenerate as captives either to the point of consent or to the actual performance of some evil work, yet if they immediately repent in sorrow and in faith seek forgiveness, it is certain that the Holy Spirit has been grieved or hurt, but not yet crushed, and faith and the grace of God have not been lost.

For the Holy Spirit works in the regenerate that he may rise again as a righteous person, even if he falls seven times in a day. (II:679)

Chemnitz is clear, however, that repentance involves more than just an acknowledgement of sin but a change in behavior:

“For what kind of nonsense is it to devise for ourselves a license to sin and in our hearts to say, ‘It will do no harm as I say to myself that I am repenting’” (II:681).

This is the appearance of repentance;

It is not true repentance.
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal &... (show quote)


"For the Holy Spirit works in the regenerate that he may rise again as a righteous person, even if he falls seven times in a day. (II:679)"

For this I thank God daily!

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Dec 17, 2017 12:47:26   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
How is Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, going?

Did you hear that R. C. Sproul passed away ?

Reformed Theologian Who Founded Ligonier Ministries
Late PCA leader influenced generations of Christians by filling the gap “between Sunday school and seminary.”
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/december/died-r-c-sproul-reformed-theologian-ligonier-ministries-pca.html

Did the author and book help ? Thomas Aquinas in 50 Pages: A Quick Layman's Guide ?

Another book and author G.K. Chesterton has an outstanding whit and incite on Summa Theologica.

G.K. Chesterton's brilliant sketch of the life and thought of Thomas Aquinas is as relevant today as when it was published in 1933.

Then it earned the praise of such distinguished writers as Etienne Gilson, Jacques Martain, and Anton Pegis as the best book ever written on the great thirteenth-century Dominican.

Today Chesterton's classic stands poised to reveal Thomas to a new generation.

Chesterton's Aquinas is a man of mystery.

Born into a noble Neapolitan family, Thomas chose the life of a mendicant friar.

Lumbering and shy -- his classmates dubbed him "the Dumb Ox" -- he led a revolution in Christian thought.

Possessed of the rarest brilliance, he found the highest t***h in the humblest object.

Having spent his life amid the vast intricacies of reason, he asked on his deathbed to have read aloud the Song of Songs, the most passionate book in the Bible.


As Albert the Great, Thomas's teacher, predicted, the Dumb Ox has bellowed down the ages to our own day.


G.K. Chesterton's book will enlighten those who would consign Thomas to the obscurity of medieval times.


It will confound those who would use Thomas to bolster arid schemes of Christian rationalism.


Rather, it will introduce the wondrous mystery of the man who, after a life of unparalleled genius, was seized by a vision of the Unknown and said, "I can write no more.


I have seen things which make all my writings like straw."

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Dec 17, 2017 20:31:07   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Doc110 wrote:
How is Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, going?

Did you hear that R. C. Sproul passed away ?

Reformed Theologian Who Founded Ligonier Ministries
Late PCA leader influenced generations of Christians by filling the gap “between Sunday school and seminary.”
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/december/died-r-c-sproul-reformed-theologian-ligonier-ministries-pca.html

Did the author and book help ? Thomas Aquinas in 50 Pages: A Quick Layman's Guide ?

Another book and author G.K. Chesterton has an outstanding whit and incite on Summa Theologica.

G.K. Chesterton's brilliant sketch of the life and thought of Thomas Aquinas is as relevant today as when it was published in 1933.

Then it earned the praise of such distinguished writers as Etienne Gilson, Jacques Martain, and Anton Pegis as the best book ever written on the great thirteenth-century Dominican.

Today Chesterton's classic stands poised to reveal Thomas to a new generation.

Chesterton's Aquinas is a man of mystery.

Born into a noble Neapolitan family, Thomas chose the life of a mendicant friar.

Lumbering and shy -- his classmates dubbed him "the Dumb Ox" -- he led a revolution in Christian thought.

Possessed of the rarest brilliance, he found the highest t***h in the humblest object.

Having spent his life amid the vast intricacies of reason, he asked on his deathbed to have read aloud the Song of Songs, the most passionate book in the Bible.


As Albert the Great, Thomas's teacher, predicted, the Dumb Ox has bellowed down the ages to our own day.


G.K. Chesterton's book will enlighten those who would consign Thomas to the obscurity of medieval times.


It will confound those who would use Thomas to bolster arid schemes of Christian rationalism.


Rather, it will introduce the wondrous mystery of the man who, after a life of unparalleled genius, was seized by a vision of the Unknown and said, "I can write no more.


I have seen things which make all my writings like straw."
How is Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, goi... (show quote)


I have been fighting to get my Acrobat system straightened out so I can read the Aquinas pages I downloaded, and other household duties have interfered, but I will get there after Christmas. Chesterton's book is on my list to buy.

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Dec 23, 2017 02:37:58   #
kcstargoat
 
Doc110 wrote:
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins (Part 1)
Can we not have preaching on Facebook? Religion is a fairly presumptive field of the intellect.
Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/luther-lutherans-mortal-venial-sins.html


Martin Luther: The Book of Concord:The Smalcald Articles.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . Open, mortal sins, such as adultery, homicide, fornication, theft, robbery, usury, slander, etc.

The purpose to avoid these sins belongs properly to sacramental Confession, and to confession before God it belongs at any moment after the sins have been committed;

According to the word of Ecclesiasticus, “My son, hast thou sinned?

Do so no more, but ask pardon for thy former sins,” [Ecclus. 21:1] and again,

“Make no tarrying to turn to the Lord.”
[Ecclus. 5:8] (A Discussion of Confession, 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915];

Note how Luther cites a deuterocanonical book) Nay:

It is the communion of saints.

Otherwise you could not bear even a venial sin, . . .
(The Fourteen of Consolation, 1520; Pt. II; ch. 6; tr. A. T. W. Steinhaeuser;

In Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

For we can in no better way learn how to distinguish between greater and lesser sins than by noting the order of the Commandments of God, although there are distinctions also within the works of each Commandment.

For who does not know that to curse is a greater sin than to be angry, to strike than to curse, to strike father and mother more than to strike any one else?

(Treatise on Good Works, March 1520; tr. W. A. Lambert; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

They all teach that it is not necessary to confess venial sins, but because I say it, it must be heresy.
[sarcasm at the end] (An Argument in Defense of All the Articles of Dr. Martin Luther Wrongly Condemned in the Roman Bull, Dec. 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume III [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co. and The Castle Press: 1930])

It is, accordingly, necessary to know and to teach that when holy men, still having and feeling original sin, also daily repenting of and striving with it, happen to fall into manifest sins, as David into adultery, murder, and blasphemy, that then faith and the Holy Ghost has departed from them [they cast out faith and the Holy Ghost].

For the Holy Ghost does not permit sin to have d******n, to gain the upper hand so as to be accomplished, but represses and restrains it so that it must not do what it wishes.

But if it does what it wishes, the Holy Ghost and faith are [certainly] not present. For St. John says, 1 John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, … and he cannot sin.

And yet it is also the t***h when the same St. John says, 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the t***h is not in us.

(Smalcald Articles, 1537, Part III, Article III. Of Repentance., section 43)

Part III, Article III. Of Repentance.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

Of the False Repentance of the Papists.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . David loses his son Absalom, who dies in mortal sin and is condemned –  . . . (Lectures on Genesis, Chapters 21-25, May 1540, ed. Jaroslav Pelikan, tr. George V. Schick;

In Luther’s Works, American edition, edited by Jaroslav Pelikan [volumes 1-30] and Helmut T. Lehmann [volumes 31-55], St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House [volumes 1-30]; Philadelphia: Fortress Press [volumes 31-55], starting in 1955, vol. 2)

[Lutheran apologist Nathan Rinne, writing about Luther’s opposition to antinomianism, stated:

1. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 1 (of 5): Natural Law
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-1-of-5-natural-law/

2. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 2 (of 5): Under the Law?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/07/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-2-of-5-under-the-law/

3. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 3 (of 5): the Law Abrogated?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-3-of-5-the-law-abrogated/

4. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 4 (of 5): Preaching the Law not to Condemn?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-4-of-5-preaching-the-law-not-to-condemn/

5. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 5 (of 5): Welcome “Mr. Sin” Boldly!
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/16/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-5-of-5-welcome-mr-sin-boldly/

“Luther is not denying, but is rather upholding, the distinction between venial and mortal sins.

[b]Simply put, venial sins are done vs. the renewed will of the Christian, while mortal sins are done with his full consent and pleasure . . .” [/b]

See also an article of his about the same topic]

Is the distinction between mortal and venial sin helpful?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/is-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin-helpful/

Is there a Protestant Consensus on Justification?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/protestant-consensus-justification/


Apology for the Augsburg Confession 
[written by Philip Melanchthon in 1530]

The Defense of the Augsburg Confession
http://bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php
a. Article IV: Of Justification  [1]
b. What Is Justifying Faith? [48]
c. That Faith in Christ Justifies. [61]
d. That We Obtain Remission of Sins by Faith Alone in Christ. [75]

The adversaries feign that faith is only a knowledge of the history, and therefore teach that it can coexist with mortal sin.

Hence they say nothing concerning faith, by which Paul so frequently says that men are justified, because those who are accounted righteous before God do not live in mortal sin. . . . [48]

But since we speak of such faith as is not an idle thought, but of that which liberates from death and produces a new life in hearts,

[Which is such a new light, life, and force in the heart as to renew our heart, mind, and spirit, makes new men of us and new creatures,]

And is the work of the Holy Ghost;

This does not coexist with mortal sin [for how can light and darkness coexist?], but as long as it is present, produces good fruits, as we will say after a while. . . . [64-65]

. . . They say that these passages of Scripture, (which speak of faith,) ought to be received as referring to a fides formata, i.e., they do not ascribe justification to faith except on account of love.

Yea, they do not, in any way, ascribe justification to faith, but only to love, because they dream that faith can coexist with mortal sin. . . . [109-110]

Nor, indeed, is this faith an idle knowledge, neither can it coexist with mortal sin, but it is a work of the Holy Ghost, whereby we are freed from death, and terrified minds are encouraged and quickened.
[115]

(End Part 1)
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Dec 23, 2017 02:40:52   #
kcstargoat
 
Doc110 wrote:
10/30/2017 Martin Luther and Lutherans on Mortal & Venial Sins (Part 1)
Man made up mortal sin as a method to control man's baser interests.
Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/10/luther-lutherans-mortal-venial-sins.html


Martin Luther: The Book of Concord:The Smalcald Articles.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . Open, mortal sins, such as adultery, homicide, fornication, theft, robbery, usury, slander, etc.

The purpose to avoid these sins belongs properly to sacramental Confession, and to confession before God it belongs at any moment after the sins have been committed;

According to the word of Ecclesiasticus, “My son, hast thou sinned?

Do so no more, but ask pardon for thy former sins,” [Ecclus. 21:1] and again,

“Make no tarrying to turn to the Lord.”
[Ecclus. 5:8] (A Discussion of Confession, 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915];

Note how Luther cites a deuterocanonical book) Nay:

It is the communion of saints.

Otherwise you could not bear even a venial sin, . . .
(The Fourteen of Consolation, 1520; Pt. II; ch. 6; tr. A. T. W. Steinhaeuser;

In Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

For we can in no better way learn how to distinguish between greater and lesser sins than by noting the order of the Commandments of God, although there are distinctions also within the works of each Commandment.

For who does not know that to curse is a greater sin than to be angry, to strike than to curse, to strike father and mother more than to strike any one else?

(Treatise on Good Works, March 1520; tr. W. A. Lambert; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume I [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co.: 1915])

They all teach that it is not necessary to confess venial sins, but because I say it, it must be heresy.
[sarcasm at the end] (An Argument in Defense of All the Articles of Dr. Martin Luther Wrongly Condemned in the Roman Bull, Dec. 1520; tr. C. M. Jacobs; in Works of Martin Luther, Volume III [Philadelphia: A. J. Holman Co. and The Castle Press: 1930])

It is, accordingly, necessary to know and to teach that when holy men, still having and feeling original sin, also daily repenting of and striving with it, happen to fall into manifest sins, as David into adultery, murder, and blasphemy, that then faith and the Holy Ghost has departed from them [they cast out faith and the Holy Ghost].

For the Holy Ghost does not permit sin to have d******n, to gain the upper hand so as to be accomplished, but represses and restrains it so that it must not do what it wishes.

But if it does what it wishes, the Holy Ghost and faith are [certainly] not present. For St. John says, 1 John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, … and he cannot sin.

And yet it is also the t***h when the same St. John says, 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the t***h is not in us.

(Smalcald Articles, 1537, Part III, Article III. Of Repentance., section 43)

Part III, Article III. Of Repentance.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

Of the False Repentance of the Papists.
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php#falserepentance

. . . David loses his son Absalom, who dies in mortal sin and is condemned –  . . . (Lectures on Genesis, Chapters 21-25, May 1540, ed. Jaroslav Pelikan, tr. George V. Schick;

In Luther’s Works, American edition, edited by Jaroslav Pelikan [volumes 1-30] and Helmut T. Lehmann [volumes 31-55], St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House [volumes 1-30]; Philadelphia: Fortress Press [volumes 31-55], starting in 1955, vol. 2)

[Lutheran apologist Nathan Rinne, writing about Luther’s opposition to antinomianism, stated:

1. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 1 (of 5): Natural Law
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-1-of-5-natural-law/

2. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 2 (of 5): Under the Law?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/07/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-2-of-5-under-the-law/

3. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 3 (of 5): the Law Abrogated?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-3-of-5-the-law-abrogated/

4. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 4 (of 5): Preaching the Law not to Condemn?
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-4-of-5-preaching-the-law-not-to-condemn/

5. Luther’s Antinomian Disputations for Dummies 5 (of 5): Welcome “Mr. Sin” Boldly!
https://infanttheology.wordpress.com/2017/08/16/luthers-antinomian-disputations-for-dummies-5-of-5-welcome-mr-sin-boldly/

“Luther is not denying, but is rather upholding, the distinction between venial and mortal sins.

[b]Simply put, venial sins are done vs. the renewed will of the Christian, while mortal sins are done with his full consent and pleasure . . .” [/b]

See also an article of his about the same topic]

Is the distinction between mortal and venial sin helpful?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/is-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin-helpful/

Is there a Protestant Consensus on Justification?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/justandsinner/protestant-consensus-justification/


Apology for the Augsburg Confession 
[written by Philip Melanchthon in 1530]

The Defense of the Augsburg Confession
http://bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php
a. Article IV: Of Justification  [1]
b. What Is Justifying Faith? [48]
c. That Faith in Christ Justifies. [61]
d. That We Obtain Remission of Sins by Faith Alone in Christ. [75]

The adversaries feign that faith is only a knowledge of the history, and therefore teach that it can coexist with mortal sin.

Hence they say nothing concerning faith, by which Paul so frequently says that men are justified, because those who are accounted righteous before God do not live in mortal sin. . . . [48]

But since we speak of such faith as is not an idle thought, but of that which liberates from death and produces a new life in hearts,

[Which is such a new light, life, and force in the heart as to renew our heart, mind, and spirit, makes new men of us and new creatures,]

And is the work of the Holy Ghost;

This does not coexist with mortal sin [for how can light and darkness coexist?], but as long as it is present, produces good fruits, as we will say after a while. . . . [64-65]

. . . They say that these passages of Scripture, (which speak of faith,) ought to be received as referring to a fides formata, i.e., they do not ascribe justification to faith except on account of love.

Yea, they do not, in any way, ascribe justification to faith, but only to love, because they dream that faith can coexist with mortal sin. . . . [109-110]

Nor, indeed, is this faith an idle knowledge, neither can it coexist with mortal sin, but it is a work of the Holy Ghost, whereby we are freed from death, and terrified minds are encouraged and quickened.
[115]

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kcstargoa,

You didn't address the Article.

All you did was to cut paste and post.

That is not a conversation.

All that is is preaching to the choir.

Sounds like you have an ax to grind.

So here goes. ?

Can you answer any of these Questions on Luther ? The Apostles ? The Early Church Fathers?

"Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura."

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm
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