Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?
Dec 13, 2017 01:39:56 #
09/06/2017 Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?
Father Charles Erlandson
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/christianity-relationship-not-religion/
Eucharist Bread and Wine - True or False ?: “Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.”
This common meme pits “relationships” vs “religion.” Presumably, relationships are good because they allow us to be free to be ourselves, without the expectation and obligations of others. Relationships with God are good because they’re genuine and allow me to express my love for God. A relationship with God allows me be alone with Him in the way that I desire.
Religion, on the other hand, is presumably not true Christianity because it means I have to relate to God according to the rules and expectations of others. Also, religions are dry and dead and choke out the intimate relationship I might otherwise have with God. Religion, in this meme, is formal, institutional, and inauthentic.
I’ve heard people say that religion is a way to earn salvation, and salvation is all of grace. I’ve also heard Christians say things like “religion” is a creation of man and a bunch of man-made rules.
Not so fast.
It would be easy to prove that Christianity is a religion. After all, it’s the creation of God, and not man.
God created the Church and breathed His Holy Spirit into her so that she is filled with the life of Jesus Christ and is called the Body and Bride of Christ. As far as “rules”:
I’m pretty sure that the 10 Commandments and all of the commandments of Christ and the apostles were God’s idea.
But there’s more to why it’s a good thing that Christianity is truly a religion.
In my last post, I discussed how religion comes from a Latin word meaning “to bind.” And the essence of both true relationships and true religion is this binding, for the most binding force on earth is love.
By love, I’m bound by my wife and give up a lot of the liberty I had as a bachelor. I can’t look at other women now, or take them out for intimate dinners. I can’t live a separate life from my wife: she’s one with me wherever I go.
Love, in fact, requires a binding oneself to another, which is why Christianity is what we might call a religious relationship. At the heart of Christianity is the covenant.
And what is the covenant but a very special, religious relationship, that is completely binding and put in effect by a vow or oath from which there is no escape.
A relationship without religion would look like what? A life filled occasional remembrances of God and coming before Him only when I feel like it?
Maybe one of the reasons so many Christians believe that Christianity is a relationship and not a religion is because they have not correctly read the way God relates to men in the Scriptures. Jesus Christ has taken one Bride, the Church, of which all Christians are members.
The relationship Christians have with God, therefore, is a corporate relationship.
And it was Jesus Christ who ordained apostles to lead the Church after His Ascension, and Jesus Christ who ordained the Sacraments of Holy Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EucharistELCA.JPG
Finally, my relationship with God is never just “me and Jesus.” Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well.
Christianity is a religious relationship:
What do you think ?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/im-spiritual-not-religious/
Father Charles Erlandson
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/christianity-relationship-not-religion/
Eucharist Bread and Wine - True or False ?: “Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.”
This common meme pits “relationships” vs “religion.” Presumably, relationships are good because they allow us to be free to be ourselves, without the expectation and obligations of others. Relationships with God are good because they’re genuine and allow me to express my love for God. A relationship with God allows me be alone with Him in the way that I desire.
Religion, on the other hand, is presumably not true Christianity because it means I have to relate to God according to the rules and expectations of others. Also, religions are dry and dead and choke out the intimate relationship I might otherwise have with God. Religion, in this meme, is formal, institutional, and inauthentic.
I’ve heard people say that religion is a way to earn salvation, and salvation is all of grace. I’ve also heard Christians say things like “religion” is a creation of man and a bunch of man-made rules.
Not so fast.
It would be easy to prove that Christianity is a religion. After all, it’s the creation of God, and not man.
God created the Church and breathed His Holy Spirit into her so that she is filled with the life of Jesus Christ and is called the Body and Bride of Christ. As far as “rules”:
I’m pretty sure that the 10 Commandments and all of the commandments of Christ and the apostles were God’s idea.
But there’s more to why it’s a good thing that Christianity is truly a religion.
In my last post, I discussed how religion comes from a Latin word meaning “to bind.” And the essence of both true relationships and true religion is this binding, for the most binding force on earth is love.
By love, I’m bound by my wife and give up a lot of the liberty I had as a bachelor. I can’t look at other women now, or take them out for intimate dinners. I can’t live a separate life from my wife: she’s one with me wherever I go.
Love, in fact, requires a binding oneself to another, which is why Christianity is what we might call a religious relationship. At the heart of Christianity is the covenant.
And what is the covenant but a very special, religious relationship, that is completely binding and put in effect by a vow or oath from which there is no escape.
A relationship without religion would look like what? A life filled occasional remembrances of God and coming before Him only when I feel like it?
Maybe one of the reasons so many Christians believe that Christianity is a relationship and not a religion is because they have not correctly read the way God relates to men in the Scriptures. Jesus Christ has taken one Bride, the Church, of which all Christians are members.
The relationship Christians have with God, therefore, is a corporate relationship.
And it was Jesus Christ who ordained apostles to lead the Church after His Ascension, and Jesus Christ who ordained the Sacraments of Holy Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EucharistELCA.JPG
Finally, my relationship with God is never just “me and Jesus.” Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well.
Christianity is a religious relationship:
What do you think ?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/im-spiritual-not-religious/
Dec 15, 2017 07:08:47 #
Doc110 wrote:
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Not so fast Doc...
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Ever heard of the Laodiceans in Revelation? That's the way a vast majority of the church is today.
Dec 15, 2017 13:21:14 #
mwdegutis,
Do you know what your Evangelical religious problem is ? Do You ?
Show me where I said and wrote this Statement. ! ! !
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Now your just plain Evangelical demented evil and wrong. When you start putting words and writing words in my mouth.
Get behind me Satan, for your slanderous and evil intentions.
Now your nothing but a lier and a loathsome evangelical Assh-le.
Seeping down the lowest depths of hell in your Evangelical retort defense and making up false words.
You just committed a mortal sin against God's Ten Commandments.
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16; Deuteronomy 5:20).
Now you have gone to far mwdegutis.
You can't even drop your superiority Evangelical "High and Mighty," "Bible Only Thumping" smug Evangelical facade-mask, and Evangelical superior attitude.
Your a, Evangelical religious Judge, . . . Evangelical religious Jury, . . . and Evangelical religious Verdict . . . all rolled into one. In your little Evangelical-mindset Theology and Hypocrisy.
Your the only one's, on this OPP Religious Forum and your fellow Evangelical-ilk, . . . that always cast the first anti-Catholic religious stone's.
Now you have to ask a follow up question on this above, Statement of mine. . . .
Now why is it, . . . that You Evangelical "Always" cast the first anti-Catholic religious Stone's ? In all your comments ?
I can only think of a few human religious reasons for your religious belligerent, obtuse Evangelical blatancy and Hypocrisy attitude.
1. You don't know any better, or just plain religions Evangelical religious amoral ignorance ?
2. Your all hateful, and all spiteful in your anti-Catholic Evangelical statements, that teaches this false Evangelical religions dichotomy rhetoric, to feel religiously superior ?
3. It comes down to only religious Evangelical, . . . bigotry, stubborn and complete intolerance of any other creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Your actions, beliefs, opinions only prove your Religious Evangelical opinion's statements Religious prejudice's.
When you come down to the concise, religious Christian words and teachings of Jesus Christ action's.
You don't even remotely resemble, Jesus Christ, or his foundational Christian Church that he established.
Ouch that should sting and hurt for a while.
Your nothing but a loud-mouth religious Evangelical Bigot. . . . in all your religious comments biblical verses and reply retorts.
All you ever do is scream "Sola Scriptura" Holier than Thou, Bible Thumping Evangelical Attitudes," compost opinions and Evangelical religious hypocrisy.
You can't even think religiously straight, or have any Religious Christian commonsense, in a simple personal OPP Christian article discourse question.
And all you reply with, is what your sense is, of what a Catholic should be, by your Evangelical retort and biblical scripture you present.
Sadly, you can't even give a Evangelical OPP religious article opinion, on "Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?"
You must be totally personally and religiously Evangelically ignorant, in your comments, statements and your typical Evangelical religious rhetoric ?
mwdegutis, So far, I've pointed out your errors, and false Protestant, Evangelical Independent theology on the Five Soala's.
As of today, 8 days have gone by, and I still haven't heard your Evangelical retort, on the OPP religious post, e.g.
mwdegutis, Keep hiding behind the Evangelical Protestant, Luther's concept of the "Invisible Church," and not the "Visible Church."
And Biblically answering the 21 question scripturally. (Below)
I wonder what Jesus Christ would say about your Evangelical concept, of His "Invisible Church." ?
12/07/2017 Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura (Part 1 of 21)
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm .
Try taking a Evangelical college try, at answering scripturally, the 21 Questions. (Below)
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
Take the Evangelical Religious Plank from your blind, deaf and dumb, . . . eyes.
Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . .
[quote=mwdegutis
Doc110 wrote:
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Not so fast Doc...
“Enter through the narrow gate.
For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Ever heard of the Laodiceans in Revelation?
That's the way a vast majority of the church is today.[/quote]
Do you know what your Evangelical religious problem is ? Do You ?
Show me where I said and wrote this Statement. ! ! !
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Now your just plain Evangelical demented evil and wrong. When you start putting words and writing words in my mouth.
Get behind me Satan, for your slanderous and evil intentions.
Now your nothing but a lier and a loathsome evangelical Assh-le.
Seeping down the lowest depths of hell in your Evangelical retort defense and making up false words.
You just committed a mortal sin against God's Ten Commandments.
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16; Deuteronomy 5:20).
Now you have gone to far mwdegutis.
You can't even drop your superiority Evangelical "High and Mighty," "Bible Only Thumping" smug Evangelical facade-mask, and Evangelical superior attitude.
Your a, Evangelical religious Judge, . . . Evangelical religious Jury, . . . and Evangelical religious Verdict . . . all rolled into one. In your little Evangelical-mindset Theology and Hypocrisy.
Your the only one's, on this OPP Religious Forum and your fellow Evangelical-ilk, . . . that always cast the first anti-Catholic religious stone's.
Now you have to ask a follow up question on this above, Statement of mine. . . .
Now why is it, . . . that You Evangelical "Always" cast the first anti-Catholic religious Stone's ? In all your comments ?
I can only think of a few human religious reasons for your religious belligerent, obtuse Evangelical blatancy and Hypocrisy attitude.
1. You don't know any better, or just plain religions Evangelical religious amoral ignorance ?
2. Your all hateful, and all spiteful in your anti-Catholic Evangelical statements, that teaches this false Evangelical religions dichotomy rhetoric, to feel religiously superior ?
3. It comes down to only religious Evangelical, . . . bigotry, stubborn and complete intolerance of any other creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. Your actions, beliefs, opinions only prove your Religious Evangelical opinion's statements Religious prejudice's.
When you come down to the concise, religious Christian words and teachings of Jesus Christ action's.
You don't even remotely resemble, Jesus Christ, or his foundational Christian Church that he established.
Ouch that should sting and hurt for a while.
Your nothing but a loud-mouth religious Evangelical Bigot. . . . in all your religious comments biblical verses and reply retorts.
All you ever do is scream "Sola Scriptura" Holier than Thou, Bible Thumping Evangelical Attitudes," compost opinions and Evangelical religious hypocrisy.
You can't even think religiously straight, or have any Religious Christian commonsense, in a simple personal OPP Christian article discourse question.
And all you reply with, is what your sense is, of what a Catholic should be, by your Evangelical retort and biblical scripture you present.
Sadly, you can't even give a Evangelical OPP religious article opinion, on "Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?"
You must be totally personally and religiously Evangelically ignorant, in your comments, statements and your typical Evangelical religious rhetoric ?
mwdegutis, So far, I've pointed out your errors, and false Protestant, Evangelical Independent theology on the Five Soala's.
As of today, 8 days have gone by, and I still haven't heard your Evangelical retort, on the OPP religious post, e.g.
mwdegutis, Keep hiding behind the Evangelical Protestant, Luther's concept of the "Invisible Church," and not the "Visible Church."
And Biblically answering the 21 question scripturally. (Below)
I wonder what Jesus Christ would say about your Evangelical concept, of His "Invisible Church." ?
12/07/2017 Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura (Part 1 of 21)
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm .
Try taking a Evangelical college try, at answering scripturally, the 21 Questions. (Below)
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
Take the Evangelical Religious Plank from your blind, deaf and dumb, . . . eyes.
Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . .
[quote=mwdegutis
Doc110 wrote:
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Not so fast Doc...
“Enter through the narrow gate.
For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
Ever heard of the Laodiceans in Revelation?
That's the way a vast majority of the church is today.[/quote]
Dec 15, 2017 14:25:08 #
Doc110 wrote:
Show me where I said and wrote this Statement. ! ! !
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
... Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well...
Look at your very first post on this thread...third line from the bottom above the link!
Are you losing it Doc?
Dec 15, 2017 15:58:41 #
mwdegutis,
Duuhhh,
I told you once again, that I didn't write the article, I only posted the article on to the OPP Christian Forum.
Do you see Father Charles Erlandsson, name here and who, wrote the article . . . on the posted URL Link ? (Below)
Go to the URL website and read the article. . . . third line from the bottom above the link!
09/06/2017 Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?
Father Charles Erlandsson
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/christianity-relationship-not-religion/
[quote=]And it was Jesus Christ who ordained apostles to lead the Church after His Ascension, and Jesus Christ who ordained the Sacraments of Holy Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EucharistELCA.JPG
Finally, my relationship with God is never just “me and Jesus.” Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well.
Christianity is a religious relationship:
What do you think ?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/im-spiritual-not-religious/[quote=]
Again do some research and investigating before you think, and open up your mind and big fat writing article nonsense . . . Trap . . .
mwdegutis, . . . Now who is loosing it, . . . Now. . . .
And who looks completely ignorant, on saying, that I wrote the article, and that these are my words.
Go to the URL link and you will confirm what I Just said to you.
That I didn't write that statement, and I can-not be attributed to writing that article statement.
You argue just for the sake of arguing, don't you mwdegutis, . . . Obviously It's your, . . . Bad . . . ignorant mistake . . .
What a "Maroon," as "Bugs Bunny" would say. . . .
mwdegutis, Had you only looked at the URL article link and back-traced you wouldn't look so obstinate and ignorant.
It seems that, your the one who is loosing it, and loosing in the Religious argument . . .
Take the Evangelical Religious Plank, from your blind, deaf and dumb, . . . eyes.
Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . .
What no apologies ? For your mistake ? I didn't think you would, and be a evangelical Christian man.
mwdegutis, "I only walk on the water in the winter-time."
Bowing out with a whimper, and tail between your legs. . . . . I see . . .
Pax and, . . . God Bless you . . . . Too. . . .
[quote=mwdegutis
Look at your very first post on this thread . . . third line from the bottom above the link!
Are you losing it Doc?[/quote]
Duuhhh,
I told you once again, that I didn't write the article, I only posted the article on to the OPP Christian Forum.
Do you see Father Charles Erlandsson, name here and who, wrote the article . . . on the posted URL Link ? (Below)
Go to the URL website and read the article. . . . third line from the bottom above the link!
09/06/2017 Is Christianity a Relationship and Not a Religion ?
Father Charles Erlandsson
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/christianity-relationship-not-religion/
[quote=]And it was Jesus Christ who ordained apostles to lead the Church after His Ascension, and Jesus Christ who ordained the Sacraments of Holy Baptism and the Lord’s Supper.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EucharistELCA.JPG
Finally, my relationship with God is never just “me and Jesus.” Jesus has united Himself to His whole Church, and that contains billions and billions of other Christians, with whom I now have a relationship as well.
Christianity is a religious relationship:
What do you think ?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/giveusthisday/im-spiritual-not-religious/[quote=]
Again do some research and investigating before you think, and open up your mind and big fat writing article nonsense . . . Trap . . .
mwdegutis, . . . Now who is loosing it, . . . Now. . . .
And who looks completely ignorant, on saying, that I wrote the article, and that these are my words.
Go to the URL link and you will confirm what I Just said to you.
That I didn't write that statement, and I can-not be attributed to writing that article statement.
You argue just for the sake of arguing, don't you mwdegutis, . . . Obviously It's your, . . . Bad . . . ignorant mistake . . .
What a "Maroon," as "Bugs Bunny" would say. . . .
mwdegutis, Had you only looked at the URL article link and back-traced you wouldn't look so obstinate and ignorant.
It seems that, your the one who is loosing it, and loosing in the Religious argument . . .
Take the Evangelical Religious Plank, from your blind, deaf and dumb, . . . eyes.
Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . . Crickets . . .
What no apologies ? For your mistake ? I didn't think you would, and be a evangelical Christian man.
mwdegutis, "I only walk on the water in the winter-time."
Bowing out with a whimper, and tail between your legs. . . . . I see . . .
Pax and, . . . God Bless you . . . . Too. . . .
[quote=mwdegutis
Look at your very first post on this thread . . . third line from the bottom above the link!
Are you losing it Doc?[/quote]
Dec 15, 2017 16:03:11 #
mwdegutis,
Keep hiding behind the Evangelical Protestant, Luther's concept of the "Invisible Church," and not the "Visible Church."
And Biblically answering the 21 question scripturally. (Below)
I wonder what Jesus Christ would say about your Evangelical concept, of His "Invisible Church." ?
12/07/2017 Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura (Part 1 of 21)
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm .
Try taking a Evangelical college try, at answering scripturally, the 21 Questions. (Below)
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
Keep hiding behind the Evangelical Protestant, Luther's concept of the "Invisible Church," and not the "Visible Church."
And Biblically answering the 21 question scripturally. (Below)
I wonder what Jesus Christ would say about your Evangelical concept, of His "Invisible Church." ?
12/07/2017 Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura (Part 1 of 21)
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm .
Try taking a Evangelical college try, at answering scripturally, the 21 Questions. (Below)
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
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