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Dec 14, 2017 20:06:14   #
kcstargoat
 
Nice recitation of the Quran. K**l people who are not Muslim. All I needed to read. The rest of your presentation is a clever interpretation of the Constitution. OH yeah. Three crusades later you claim Muslims can not have weapons. What was that in ISIS's hands - a toaster? We have neither the time or inclination, as Americans, to vet you to see if you can live in America and are not lying about it. Too many i*****l a***ns have already cowardly attacked innocent and unarmed men, women and children in the USA. Not to mention Muslims protesting the free food and lodging we have provided and demanding money from us. Many Muslims confront Americans with Islamic practices every day. Go Home! We don't want you here!

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Dec 15, 2017 20:17:43   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Somewhat like the Christians and Jews in the US who reject literal interpretations of the Bible. What is your point? Are we to require of citizens, that they eschew all literal interpretations of Scripture?


Neither Christianity nor Judaism requires that they behead anyone that doesn't convert to their religion, Islam does.

Grow up!

Harbitude

Harbitude is the opposite of dhimmitude.

Develop some harbitude and become a harbi with attitude!
So what is a Harbi? Are YOU one?

A Harbi has no rights, not even the right to live.
...and, you maybe a harbi without even knowing it!
Harbis are people who jihadists judge to be 'at war with Islam', though they don't have to do anything aggressive towards Moslems, their mere existence is a sufficient insult to Allah to justify their extermination.

Islam divides people into two antagonistic groups - Moslems (collectively known as the Ummah) versus Kaffirs (aka Kufr, Kuffars, Infidels or non-believers).

Kaffirs are subdivided further - Jews and Christians who accept the supremacy of Islam are known as Dhimmis, and are allowed to live as second-class citizens, provided they pay the extortionate Jizya (infidel tax) to their Moslem masters. However the Jews must be exterminated eventually before world Islamic domination can be achieved. Christians will then be kept as s***es, since somebody has to do the work, and all parasites needs hosts.

The state of being a submissive Dhimmi is known as Dhimmitude.

Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Pagans and members of all other 'non-Abrahamic' religions, together with secularists, and those Jews and Christians who do not accept Muslim domination, are regarded as Harbis - targets of war.
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/harbitude-harbis-with-attitud...

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

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Dec 15, 2017 20:42:30   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Homestead wrote:
Neither Christianity nor Judaism requires that they behead anyone that doesn't convert to their religion, Islam does.

Grow up!

Harbitude

Harbitude is the opposite of dhimmitude.

Develop some harbitude and become a harbi with attitude!
So what is a Harbi? Are YOU one?

A Harbi has no rights, not even the right to live.
...and, you maybe a harbi without even knowing it!
Harbis are people who jihadists judge to be 'at war with Islam', though they don't have to do anything aggressive towards Moslems, their mere existence is a sufficient insult to Allah to justify their extermination.

Islam divides people into two antagonistic groups - Moslems (collectively known as the Ummah) versus Kaffirs (aka Kufr, Kuffars, Infidels or non-believers).

Kaffirs are subdivided further - Jews and Christians who accept the supremacy of Islam are known as Dhimmis, and are allowed to live as second-class citizens, provided they pay the extortionate Jizya (infidel tax) to their Moslem masters. However the Jews must be exterminated eventually before world Islamic domination can be achieved. Christians will then be kept as s***es, since somebody has to do the work, and all parasites needs hosts.

The state of being a submissive Dhimmi is known as Dhimmitude.

Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Pagans and members of all other 'non-Abrahamic' religions, together with secularists, and those Jews and Christians who do not accept Muslim domination, are regarded as Harbis - targets of war.
http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/harbitude-harbis-with-attitud...

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Neither Christianity nor Judaism requires that the... (show quote)

Homestead wrote, "Neither Christianity nor Judaism requires that they behead anyone that doesn't convert to their religion, Islam does."

And yet the 3.3 million Muslims living in the US are not going around beheading anyone that doesn't convert to their religion. Perhaps it is because they understand their scripture in ways that allow them to live in peace with their neighbors, just as most Christians and Jews do likewise. Would you have them be more unfriendly in their interpretations? Do you not want to love your neighbor?

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Dec 15, 2017 20:47:54   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
'WHY GOD IS IN THE DECLARATION BUT NOT THE CONSTITUTION'
https://allthingsliberty.com/2016/02/why-god-is-in-the-declaration-but-not-the-constitution/

No country venerates its “Founding Fathers” like the United States. Academics, legislators, judges, and ordinary citizens all frequently seek to validate their opinions and policy prescriptions by identifying them with the statesmen who led America to nationhood. It is not surprising, therefore, that debates about the role of religion in the United States are infused with references to the faith of the Founding Fathers and to the two greatest documents they gave to the fledgling republic: the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. People across the religious spectrum, from the most devout believers to the most committed atheists, look to these documents for support. Yet the blessings they offer are mixed. The Declaration contains several references to God, the Constitution none at all. The reasons for this variation reveal a great deal about the founding principles of the United States.

The Declaration of Independence is an apology for revolution. Support for a complete break with Great Britain was growing stronger week by week in the spring of 1776, both in the Continental Congress and in the thirteen colonies at large. On June 7, 1776, a resolution advocating independence was presented to Congress by Richard Henry Lee of the Virginia delegation. Four days later Congress appointed a committee of five delegates to draft a document explaining the historic separation it would soon be v****g on.

The resulting Declaration of Independence, drafted by Thomas Jefferson and edited by his fellow delegates, contains a theory of rights that depends on a Supreme Being, not man, for its validity. The Declaration states that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” It is possible to see in these words an affirmation of the Founders’ religious faith, but God-given rights had less to do with theology in the summer of 1776 than they did with r*******n.


In stating that people’s rights were given to them by their creator, the Continental Congress endowed those rights with a legitimacy that knows no parallel in mortal sources. What God has given to man is not enjoyed at the sufferance of any monarch or government. Liberty is the inviolable birthright of all. The right of revolution proclaimed by the Declaration flows directly from this notion of inviolability: it is to secure people’s divinely endowed and unalienable rights that governments, “deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” are established. The people consequently have the right and indeed the duty to alter or abolish a form of government that becomes tyrannical.

The Declaration contains several other references to a higher power. The introduction states that the “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God” entitle the American people to a separate and equal station among the powers of the earth. In the conclusion, Congress appeals to “the Supreme Judge of the world” for the rectitude of its intentions and professes its “firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence.” In each case, reference to a deity serves to validate the assertion of independence.

The genius of the Declaration is the inclusive way the divine is given expression. The appellations of God are generic. Adherents of traditional theistic sects can read the words “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Supreme Judge,” and understand them to mean the god they worship. The claims made on numerous Christian websites attest to this. Yet opponents of dogma read those same words and see an embracive, non-sectarian concept of divinity. This is no small testimony to the wisdom and foresight of the Founding Fathers. All Americans could support the Revolution and independence. All can regard their rights as unalienable, their liberty as inviolable.

Unlike the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution contains no reference to God. At first, this may seem odd. Why did the men who drafted the Declaration invoke a Supreme Being several times, while the men who drafted the Constitution did not mention a higher power even once? Only six individuals signed both documents, so it could be hypothesized that the delegates to the Constitutional Convention that convened in Philadelphia in 1787 were a different and less religious group then the delegates to the Continental Congress, or perhaps that the delegates to the Continental Congress were savvy freethinkers cynically manipulating people’s belief in God to win support for their o*******w of British rule. Neither explanation holds water. Some of the Founders were conventional Christians and some were not, but the belief in a deity implied in the Declaration was sincere and likely universal among the delegates to both the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention. And a belief in the possibility of divine favor was held by even some of the least religious Founders. So, again, why no invocation of God in the second major founding document?

The threefold answer lies in the stated purposes of the Constitution, its religious neutrality, and the theory of government it embodies. Whereas the Declaration explained and justified a r*******n to secure God-given rights, the Constitution is a blueprint for stable and effective republican government in a free country. The Preamble to the Constitution declares that its purposes are “to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty.” These are wholly secular objects; religious references are extraneous in a document drafted to further them.

Eighteenth century America was religiously diverse, and by the time of the Revolution religion was widely viewed as a matter of voluntary individual choice. The Constitution acknowledged these realities and, unlike contemporary European political orders, promoted no sect and took no position whatsoever on theological issues. There is no state religion and Article VI of the Constitution provides that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” The First Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1791, provides that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The absence of references to a deity in the Constitution is consistent with the strict religious neutrality of the entire document.

The Constitution established a strong national government to replace the relatively feeble Confederation Congress created by the Revolutionary-era Articles of Confederation, but the Constitution is hardly a document glorifying top-down power. On the contrary, the theory of government underpinning the United States Constitution is popular sovereignty. The government derives its legitimacy from the consent of the governed, not from an assembly of elders, not from a king or a prelate, and not from a higher power. The stirring opening words of the Preamble, “We the People of the United States,” make it clear both who is establishing the government and for whose benefit it exists. There is no consent required beyond the will of the people for the people to govern themselves.

This view that the Constitution is a bold assertion of popular sovereignty is often countered by pointing out how elitist some of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were and how allegedly undemocratic the document they drafted was. Only the members of the House of Representatives were initially chosen directly by v**ers. Senators were to be chosen indirectly by state legislatures, and the President by e*****rs appointed by the state legislatures.

This criticism confuses an admittedly elitist preference for government by the able with a theory of power emanating from above. The Constitution not only rejected monarchy, but all forms of hereditary privilege and arbitrary rule. It established fixed rules that delimited the powers of the governors, not the rights of the governed. It is to the citizens and the states, not to the executive, that legislators are answerable. The source of all legislative and executive power can be traced, directly or indirectly, to the people.

And in the early years of the American republic, the people in question were deeply suspicious of power. There was considerable opposition to the Constitution as initially drafted, both in the state conventions called to ratify it and among ordinary Americans. Opponents believed that a centralization of authority would lead to tyranny and argued either for outright rejection or, at a minimum, for amendments to limit the powers of the new government and safeguard liberties. In such an anti-power environment, few Americans wished to see their new rulers claim, as European rulers did, that their authority was divine in origin. In creating a political order based on popular sovereignty, the Founding Fathers thus turned prevailing European political theory on its head. In place of the divine right of monarchs, the Declaration asserted the divine rights of all men, and both the Declaration and the Constitution source the legitimacy of political rule exclusively in the consent of the governed.

The Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution do not therefore represent competing views of the existence of a Supreme Being or its role in American political life. They are two sides of the same coin. When read together, the Declaration and Constitution tell us that the people’s rights are divine in origin, sacred and unalienable, while governments are human in origin, answerable to the people and dependent entirely on their consent.
'WHY GOD IS IN THE DECLARATION BUT NOT THE CONSTIT... (show quote)


Having spent a good bit of time reading the Federalist Papers muchbof whst is here is borne out in them..

Thank You for the reminder of their role in clarity of intent..
I think I’ll be visiting them again because of your fact filled Philosophical view on what is now the very foundation of this country...

Well done, eagle!!!!

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Dec 15, 2017 21:01:00   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Since you love our wonderful former president, here's another of his quotes you can believe in.

And thanks for honoring a great Republican president.


That he was and thank you for your clarity of him!

Love what he said in it..

One of my favorites~~

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Ok make it two please~~

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.

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Dec 16, 2017 12:09:50   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Homestead wrote, "Neither Christianity nor Judaism requires that they behead anyone that doesn't convert to their religion, Islam does."

And yet the 3.3 million Muslims living in the US are not going around beheading anyone that doesn't convert to their religion. Perhaps it is because they understand their scripture in ways that allow them to live in peace with their neighbors, just as most Christians and Jews do likewise. Would you have them be more unfriendly in their interpretations? Do you not want to love your neighbor?
Homestead wrote, "Neither Christianity nor Ju... (show quote)


Grow up!

You think wallowing in your ignorance and burying your head in the sand makes reality go away, just because you refuse to pay attention to it?
************************************************************

BREAKING: Muslim Man Beheads Woman, Gets His JUST DESERTS
http://americanactionnews.com/articles/breaking-muslim-man-beheads-woman-gets-his-just-deserts#PQqQxbLuggGL8gMl.99

Philadelphia mosque leaders try to cut off man's hand -police
http://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-mosque-leaders-try-cut-off-mans-hand-234040840.html?ref=gs

10 Acts of Jihad in America That Americans Haven’t Heard About
http://pjmedia.com/blog/10-acts-of-jihad-in-america-that-americans-havent-heard-about/?singlepage=true

American Muslim Children Taught to H**e
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/american-muslim-children-taught-h**e?fb_action_ids=932408324544&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[467490229988102]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map=[]

Egyptian Cleric: Boston Bombing Was Meant to Deliver a Message; Similar Attac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JrLsz-AIuzY

Islamic cleric says, “Saying Merry Christmas is worse than fornicating, drinking alcohol, or k*****g someone”
Pay attention to about the 20 second mark, where he says, “not from a non-Muslim.”
I may be wrong, but, I believe this is what he meant:
Since Islam is the only religion, No other religion can contradict Islam. This is an insult to Islam. Therefore not even a Christian can say Merry Christmas, because you are claiming God had a son. That's Blasphemy.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/12/15/islamic-cleric-says-saying-merry-christmas-is-worse-than-fornicating-drinking-alcohol-or-k*****g-someone/

Iranian ayatollah decries peaceful Islam as “American Islam”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/iranian-ayatollah-decries-peaceful-islam-as-american-islam

Leaked Video: Muslim teacher tells kids to k**l gays
http://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/764923122030112771/pu/vid/320x180/hz0m9p1rFaXn3cw2.mp4

SHARIA LAW in AMERICA What You Need to Know - GOD HELP US! Viewer Discretion Advised)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PW62aQMy3_s

Hamas-linked CAIR outraged over Florida official's private Facebook posting noting that Qur'an teaches h**e
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/hamas-linked-cair-outraged-over-florida-officials-private-facebook-posting
******************************************************************************8

Subject: What's an infidel?

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known.
leader in prison ministry.

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the
United States, especially in the minority races!!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the
Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained
their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic had to say. The
Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams
and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against
the infidels of the world and, that by k*****g an infidel, (which is
a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to k**l everyone who is not of
your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'


The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command
to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the
cookie jar.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

[b]I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine
Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to k**l those of your faith
or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to
guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Muslim was speechless![/b]


I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you
and your brother clerics are telling your followers to k**l me!

Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells
you to k**l me in order for you to go to heaven,
or my Jesus who tells me to love you because,
I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.


Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the
'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of
dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the t***h about the
Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to
elect the President!

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but
with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless
each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference...

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....SEND THIS ON.
*********************************************************************
Coming soon: America's own Islamic 'no-go' zones
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/coming-soon-americas-own-islamic-no-go-zones/

Eric Allen Bell - "#Islamophobia or Islamo-Reality?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZxBLJP0t03w

Counter Jihad is about HUMAN RIGHTS - Eric Allen Bell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwkADfQelU

The Third Jihad - Radical Islam's Vision for America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4XUub1no1qw#!

Whitewashing Islam: 20 Errors on 20/20 (ABC News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5Bwj3iTrg&feature=endscreen&NR=1

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Dec 16, 2017 13:21:54   #
acknowledgeurma
 
[quote=Homestead]Grow up!

You think wallowing in your ignorance and burying your head in the sand makes reality go away, just because you refuse to pay attention to it?
************************************************************

BREAKING: Muslim Man Beheads Woman, Gets His JUST DESERTS
http://americanactionnews.com/articles/breaking-muslim-man-beheads-woman-gets-his-just-deserts#PQqQxbLuggGL8gMl.99

Philadelphia mosque leaders try to cut off man's hand -police
http://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-mosque-leaders-try-cut-off-mans-hand-234040840.html?ref=gs

10 Acts of Jihad in America That Americans Haven’t Heard About
http://pjmedia.com/blog/10-acts-of-jihad-in-america-that-americans-havent-heard-about/?singlepage=true

American Muslim Children Taught to H**e
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/american-muslim-children-taught-h**e?fb_action_ids=932408324544&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[467490229988102]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map=[]

Egyptian Cleric: Boston Bombing Was Meant to Deliver a Message; Similar Attac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JrLsz-AIuzY

Islamic cleric says, “Saying Merry Christmas is worse than fornicating, drinking alcohol, or k*****g someone”
Pay attention to about the 20 second mark, where he says, “not from a non-Muslim.”
I may be wrong, but, I believe this is what he meant:
Since Islam is the only religion, No other religion can contradict Islam. This is an insult to Islam. Therefore not even a Christian can say Merry Christmas, because you are claiming God had a son. That's Blasphemy.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/12/15/islamic-cleric-says-saying-merry-christmas-is-worse-than-fornicating-drinking-alcohol-or-k*****g-someone/

Iranian ayatollah decries peaceful Islam as “American Islam”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/iranian-ayatollah-decries-peaceful-islam-as-american-islam

Leaked Video: Muslim teacher tells kids to k**l gays
http://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/764923122030112771/pu/vid/320x180/hz0m9p1rFaXn3cw2.mp4

SHARIA LAW in AMERICA What You Need to Know - GOD HELP US! Viewer Discretion Advised)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PW62aQMy3_s

Hamas-linked CAIR outraged over Florida official's private Facebook posting noting that Qur'an teaches h**e
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/hamas-linked-cair-outraged-over-florida-officials-private-facebook-posting
******************************************************************************8

Subject: What's an infidel?

This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known.
leader in prison ministry.

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the
United States, especially in the minority races!!

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training
session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the
Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained
their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic had to say. The
Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete
with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
'Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams
and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against
the infidels of the world and, that by k*****g an infidel, (which is
a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If
that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?'

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
he replied, 'Non-believers!'

I responded, 'So, let me make sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to k**l everyone who is not of
your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?'


The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command
to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the
cookie jar.'

He sheepishly replied, 'Yes.'

[b]I then stated, 'Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine
Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to k**l those of your faith
or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to
guarantee them a place in heaven!'

The Muslim was speechless![/b]


I continued, 'I also have a problem with being your friend when you
and your brother clerics are telling your followers to k**l me!

Let me ask you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells
you to k**l me in order for you to go to heaven,
or my Jesus who tells me to love you because,
I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?'

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.


Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the
'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with my way of
dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the t***h about the
Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to
elect the President!

I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but
with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless
each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference...

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....SEND THIS ON.
*********************************************************************
Coming soon: America's own Islamic 'no-go' zones
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/coming-soon-americas-own-islamic-no-go-zones/

Eric Allen Bell - "#Islamophobia or Islamo-Reality?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZxBLJP0t03w

Counter Jihad is about HUMAN RIGHTS - Eric Allen Bell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwkADfQelU

The Third Jihad - Radical Islam's Vision for America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4XUub1no1qw#!

Whitewashing Islam: 20 Errors on 20/20 (ABC News)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5Bwj3iTrg&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/quote]
Homestead wrote, "In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to elect the President!"
In the spirit of snarkiness, I reply, many on OPP say a Muslim has already been elected POTUS.
As to the cases you listed (not that I looked at them, but I get the gist), They are just cases, whether through insufficient time or greater immunity, where the perpetrators were not seduced by our American decadence into being good neighbors. What is the solution? I think an element would be for Americans to be better neighbors.

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Dec 16, 2017 17:23:08   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Homestead wrote, "In twenty years there will be enough Muslim v**ers in the U.S. to elect the President!"
In the spirit of snarkiness, I reply, many on OPP say a Muslim has already been elected POTUS.
As to the cases you listed (not that I looked at them, but I get the gist), They are just cases, whether through insufficient time or greater immunity, where the perpetrators were not seduced by our American decadence into being good neighbors. What is the solution? I think an element would be for Americans to be better neighbors.
Homestead wrote, "In twenty years there will ... (show quote)


The Jews tried being better neighbours to the N**i's, they even v**ed for Hitler.

How'd that work out for them?

As I said, you want to wallow in your ignorance and play stupid.

Many people, of many societies, have done the same, it didn't work out well for them either.

Why don't you try educating yourself?

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Why don't you try listening to ex-Muslims that embraced Islam for most of their lives?

Interview With Walid Sheobat at 700 Club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtvhtK8Ol98

Why I Left Jihad ? Ex-Muslim militant Speaks Out - Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie_aYc6GPcc

Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists accepting Jesus Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIOIG-mlE8

Ex-Muslim man tears apart the "Religion of Peace" and abuses the prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3sA004xlQ

Islam-Ex Muslim., Allah is a Gangster, watch this you will leave Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl641IFO10g&ebc=ANyPxKrtpbvRzoN_Zbw1pktwRHo4ydYtXamMRFKb-Das0Xqa2vfGvJemF8WljlsxfoOL17p7DnFwX52P6pp60GRZCX47mNrfCg

Prominent American Muslim, Umar Lee, leaves Islam: "We were lied to"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/prominent-american-muslim-umar-lee-leaves-islam-we-were-lied-to.html

Muslim Leader Admits Islam Not a Religion of Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=64V09tTIjR4

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Dec 16, 2017 19:26:07   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Homestead wrote:
The Jews tried being better neighbours to the N**i's, they even v**ed for Hitler.

How'd that work out for them?

As I said, you want to wallow in your ignorance and play stupid.

Many people, of many societies, have done the same, it didn't work out well for them either.

Why don't you try educating yourself?

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Why don't you try listening to ex-Muslims that embraced Islam for most of their lives?

Interview With Walid Sheobat at 700 Club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtvhtK8Ol98

Why I Left Jihad ? Ex-Muslim militant Speaks Out - Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie_aYc6GPcc

Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists accepting Jesus Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIOIG-mlE8

Ex-Muslim man tears apart the "Religion of Peace" and abuses the prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3sA004xlQ

Islam-Ex Muslim., Allah is a Gangster, watch this you will leave Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl641IFO10g&ebc=ANyPxKrtpbvRzoN_Zbw1pktwRHo4ydYtXamMRFKb-Das0Xqa2vfGvJemF8WljlsxfoOL17p7DnFwX52P6pp60GRZCX47mNrfCg

Prominent American Muslim, Umar Lee, leaves Islam: "We were lied to"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/05/prominent-american-muslim-umar-lee-leaves-islam-we-were-lied-to.html

Muslim Leader Admits Islam Not a Religion of Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=64V09tTIjR4
The Jews tried being better neighbours to the N**i... (show quote)

Regarding, "The Jews tried being better neighbours to the N**i's, they even v**ed for Hitler." The Jews tried being good Germans. Hitler denied them that possibility. Any Jews who v**ed for Hitler had probably not read Mein Kampf. In the situation we are talking about, who would be the Jews, who would be the Germans, who would be Hitler?
Spelling it out:
Jews = Muslims
Germans = Americans
Hitler = someone who speaks d******ely, someone who stokes fear of a minority, someone who stokes hatred of a minority

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Dec 16, 2017 20:19:58   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Regarding, "The Jews tried being better neighbours to the N**i's, they even v**ed for Hitler." The Jews tried being good Germans. Hitler denied them that possibility. Any Jews who v**ed for Hitler had probably not read Mein Kampf. In the situation we are talking about, who would be the Jews, who would be the Germans, who would be Hitler?
Spelling it out:
Jews = Muslims
Germans = Americans
Hitler = someone who speaks d******ely, someone who stokes fear of a minority, someone who stokes hatred of a minority
Regarding, "The Jews tried being better neigh... (show quote)


Austria v**ed to make Hitler Chancellor of Austria by 98%.

They did that because no one looked into who Hitler was and what he stood for.

All they had to go on was what was printed in the news papers and broadcasted over state media.

And your right, they never read Mein Kampf, just as you refuse to view videos posted by those who are trying to educate people on Islam.

A lot of those people are former Islamists themselves.

That's like the Jews ignoring ex-N**i's trying to expose the dangers of N**ism in the 1930's.

But, I'm sure there were a lot of people like you that defended the N**i's because, they were a minority and learning the t***h about them would be bigoted.

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Dec 19, 2017 02:21:11   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Homestead wrote:
Austria v**ed to make Hitler Chancellor of Austria by 98%.

They did that because no one looked into who Hitler was and what he stood for.

All they had to go on was what was printed in the news papers and broadcasted over state media.

And your right, they never read Mein Kampf, just as you refuse to view videos posted by those who are trying to educate people on Islam.

A lot of those people are former Islamists themselves.

That's like the Jews ignoring ex-N**i's trying to expose the dangers of N**ism in the 1930's.

But, I'm sure there were a lot of people like you that defended the N**i's because, they were a minority and learning the t***h about them would be bigoted.
Austria v**ed to make Hitler Chancellor of Austria... (show quote)

I think your analysis of why the Austrians v**ed for Hitler might fit with the consensus opinion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/higher/history/roadwar/anschluss/revision/1/
If an e******n is r****d, it doesn't seem wise to make assumptions about why people v**ed.

Regardless, bringing in the Austrian v**e, is stretching an overextended analogy way beyond any sense.

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Dec 19, 2017 11:48:32   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
To get to the root of a problem;
Follow the Money. Follow the funding. War is a racket, and quite profitable. Think about that.
The wicked are quite sinister and diabolical. Red Herrings are Red.

Top Illuminati Grand Wizard: “We Control Islam and We'll Use It to Destroy the West.” (WW3)
https://youtu.be/0dXD2H0m74g
So who are behind massive emigration of Moslems.
Who made their countries dangerous to the residents and flattened.
Has any good resulted in this.

At least we have an ocean they have to cross.

BTW; Liberals and Democrats are trying to overcome that problem.

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Dec 19, 2017 18:59:21   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I think your analysis of why the Austrians v**ed for Hitler might fit with the consensus opinion.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/higher/history/roadwar/anschluss/revision/1/
If an e******n is r****d, it doesn't seem wise to make assumptions about why people v**ed.

Regardless, bringing in the Austrian v**e, is stretching an overextended analogy way beyond any sense.


Why don't you try listening to those who were there and lived through it?

Hitler's Rise to Power ~ MUST HEAR speech by Kitty Werthmann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snFEg7EGaqk

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Dec 21, 2017 03:44:41   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Homestead wrote:
Why don't you try listening to those who were there and lived through it?

Hitler's Rise to Power ~ MUST HEAR speech by Kitty Werthmann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snFEg7EGaqk

I listened then checked out this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/15ry4x/how_accurate_is_this_eye_witness_account_of/
You might try reading a bit of it.

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Dec 21, 2017 16:55:37   #
Homestead
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
I listened then checked out this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/15ry4x/how_accurate_is_this_eye_witness_account_of/
You might try reading a bit of it.


"I have no doubt that this woman [clor=red](assuming she exists)[/color] did see doctors leave the country - but medicine was one of the fields that had a good number of Jewish practitioners.

ASSUMING SHE EXISTS??????

ASSUMING SHE EXISTS????

This is the best source you can come up with? Someone that knows so little about the subject that he doesn’t even know that the person speaking about her experiences actually existed?


" I googled it to try to find more info, but it mostly just leads to seemingly biased conservative websites.

He google it???? His retort is based on a precursory, random and half-assed search on the internet?

Not an in depth study or understanding of World War II, Hitler and the N**i party?

First off, Kitty Werthmann is her own source. She lived through that nightmare and her story is about what she lived through. It's a first hand report and the link I sent was not the first telling of her story.

"The N**i ideology also decreed that women should marry good aryan men and bear many health aryan children, preferably sons who could serve as soldiers"

Hitler himself said that, "Not every German woman can be a wife, but, every German woman can be a mother."

This was to encourage women to get pregnant to create the army he needed to take over Europe.

In 1932 Hitler implemented the Lebensborn program, which sought to be the literal “spring of life” for the Master Race. He created breeding facilities in which Aryan women were recruited to be impregnated by S.S. soldiers. A male German seeking admission into the program had to prove that he was in perfect physical condition, and that he was “racially pure” as far back as 1750. Before the program ended in 1944, the Lebensborn produced more than 42,000 babies.

The Germans also captured Aryan women and children from the surrounding conquered countries. From Poland, alone, they kidnapped 200,000 blond-haired, blue-eyed children.
http://historacle.org/hitlers_supermen.html

How big of a dunce do you have to be, not to know about Hitler's baby factories.

Any history video of Hitler and the N**i regime touches on it, as it was how he raised his army and the reason he invaded Poland and instituted German Farmer's on the fertile soil of the low lands to feed the army he was raising.

Why don't you study your history and I mean study it, not give it a quick once over and then talk like you know something, because you don't!

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