FROM INANE TO INSANE: It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless. The question was: "Would you prefer a...

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless.
The question was: "Would you prefer a Democrat or a child molester elected to the Senate?" The answer was illuminating ... "we need the v**e in order to pass our priorities, and he said he didn't do it." This from the same president that believes the words of Vladimir Putin when he says that Russia didn't interfere in the p**********l e******n last year. "We report, you decide."
We have to remember some facts about this race for Senate in Alabama.
First, this is the heart of the old Confederacy. Outside of the metropolitan areas, the War of Northern Aggression was never won by the Union ... they just kindof called a ceasefire. This is 'bubba' country where the term 'redneck' is a badge of honor to be worn with p***e. Trying to take down a Confederate monument would come close to causing a modern day lynching. This is KKK country and the home of many w***e s*********t groups and m*****as.
Couple this with high percentage of evangelical Christians, and it becomes a volatile mix of 'relitics' which has become the basis of Roy Moores support. It's here that the Bible's 'law' becomes supreme and no "Washington liberal" is going to tell us what to do.
It's like a medieval castle that has deepened the moral moat and pulled up the intellectual drawbridge. It bristles with the 'slings and arrows of outraged fortune' and unleashes them whenever challenged. "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."
These are people who wear their morality on their sleeves. They proudly profess to be "God-fearing, church-going people" of high moral character. I have to wonder if they still sacrifice livestock at the altar, eat shellfish or pork, or work on the Sabbath ... all of which are required or prohibited if they are going to claim this moral high ground.
The last time I checked, having this temperment would preclude having anything to do with someone who had sexual proclivities for young children. But somehow, they are willing to overlook nine women and numerous Gadsden law enforcement retirees who had first-hand encounters with the judge, or were told to not let him anywhere close to teenage girls. They're willing to support someone that they wouldn't let within hollering distance of their own teenage daughters.
If I were to try to make this moral connection, I would have to tie my mental processes into a giant Gordian Knot. It would require such a disconnect of competing thought streams that I would probably be considered legally schizophrenic.
And yet it persists. And it isn't just rural Alabama. If you scratch the surface of the rural countryside anywhere from east Texas to Georgia and Mississippi to Appalachia and the Ozarks, you'll find varying degrees of the same sentiments. This is the countryside of 'Easy Rider' and 'Deliverance'. Time has warped or stopped for many of the communities.
Change isn't going to come easy to this area. Those moral precepts that they take from the Bible, even with all the contradictions and convolutions, will continue to reign supreme and conflict with tolerant liberal social views for the foreseeable future.
But some of those conflicts I just can't wrap my brain around. How can it be that there is a 'sacred' marriage, but the man (or woman) has an affair or long-term relationship outside that marriage and people just wink and grin and look the other way. But you talk about a same-sex marriage and it's as though the lightning was going to strike from a clear sky and the earth open up and swallow you to hell.
"Oh well, we just h**e the sin but love the sinner." This is the countryside of Jim Baaker, who defrauded his flock of millions of dollars, went to prison, and now still claims a televangelistic flock of thousands. This is the countryside of Jimmy Swaggert who was caught with prostitutes in Louisiana and still commands the loyalty of thousands through his own satellite television channel. This is the countryside of Huey Long, the 'Kingfish' of Louisiana, who ran one of the most corrupt state governments in the country for a generation. This is the countryside of George Wallace, who proclaimed from the steps of the University of Alabama: "Segregation then, segregation now, segregation forever", as federal troops accompanied the first black student to enroll at that school. This is the countryside of 'Bull' Connor, the sheriff who confronted the marchers at the Edmond Pettis bridge at Selma with dogs and firehoses.
Given the history of this part of the country, it logically follows that these sentiments still simmer below the surface of 'southern hospitality' and 'genteel appearance.' If you don't believe this, just look at the number of Confederate f**g decals on NASCAR race cars and highway vehicles on southern roads. Roy Moore is just the symbol of that sentiment and ideology that the president pulled the scab from and is scratching the underlying wound.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

whitnebrat wrote:

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless.
The question was: "Would you prefer a Democrat or a child molester elected to the Senate?" The answer was illuminating ... "we need the v**e in order to pass our priorities, and he said he didn't do it." This from the same president that believes the words of Vladimir Putin when he says that Russia didn't interfere in the p**********l e******n last year. "We report, you decide."
We have to remember some facts about this race for Senate in Alabama.
First, this is the heart of the old Confederacy. Outside of the metropolitan areas, the War of Northern Aggression was never won by the Union ... they just kindof called a ceasefire. This is 'bubba' country where the term 'redneck' is a badge of honor to be worn with p***e. Trying to take down a Confederate monument would come close to causing a modern day lynching. This is KKK country and the home of many w***e s*********t groups and m*****as.
Couple this with high percentage of evangelical Christians, and it becomes a volatile mix of 'relitics' which has become the basis of Roy Moores support. It's here that the Bible's 'law' becomes supreme and no "Washington liberal" is going to tell us what to do.
It's like a medieval castle that has deepened the moral moat and pulled up the intellectual drawbridge. It bristles with the 'slings and arrows of outraged fortune' and unleashes them whenever challenged. "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."
These are people who wear their morality on their sleeves. They proudly profess to be "God-fearing, church-going people" of high moral character. I have to wonder if they still sacrifice livestock at the altar, eat shellfish or pork, or work on the Sabbath ... all of which are required or prohibited if they are going to claim this moral high ground.
The last time I checked, having this temperment would preclude having anything to do with someone who had sexual proclivities for young children. But somehow, they are willing to overlook nine women and numerous Gadsden law enforcement retirees who had first-hand encounters with the judge, or were told to not let him anywhere close to teenage girls. They're willing to support someone that they wouldn't let within hollering distance of their own teenage daughters.
If I were to try to make this moral connection, I would have to tie my mental processes into a giant Gordian Knot. It would require such a disconnect of competing thought streams that I would probably be considered legally schizophrenic.
And yet it persists. And it isn't just rural Alabama. If you scratch the surface of the rural countryside anywhere from east Texas to Georgia and Mississippi to Appalachia and the Ozarks, you'll find varying degrees of the same sentiments. This is the countryside of 'Easy Rider' and 'Deliverance'. Time has warped or stopped for many of the communities.
Change isn't going to come easy to this area. Those moral precepts that they take from the Bible, even with all the contradictions and convolutions, will continue to reign supreme and conflict with tolerant liberal social views for the foreseeable future.
But some of those conflicts I just can't wrap my brain around. How can it be that there is a 'sacred' marriage, but the man (or woman) has an affair or long-term relationship outside that marriage and people just wink and grin and look the other way. But you talk about a same-sex marriage and it's as though the lightning was going to strike from a clear sky and the earth open up and swallow you to hell.
"Oh well, we just h**e the sin but love the sinner." This is the countryside of Jim Baaker, who defrauded his flock of millions of dollars, went to prison, and now still claims a televangelistic flock of thousands. This is the countryside of Jimmy Swaggert who was caught with prostitutes in Louisiana and still commands the loyalty of thousands through his own satellite television channel. This is the countryside of Huey Long, the 'Kingfish' of Louisiana, who ran one of the most corrupt state governments in the country for a generation. This is the countryside of George Wallace, who proclaimed from the steps of the University of Alabama: "Segregation then, segregation now, segregation forever", as federal troops accompanied the first black student to enroll at that school. This is the countryside of 'Bull' Connor, the sheriff who confronted the marchers at the Edmond Pettis bridge at Selma with dogs and firehoses.
Given the history of this part of the country, it logically follows that these sentiments still simmer below the surface of 'southern hospitality' and 'genteel appearance.' If you don't believe this, just look at the number of Confederate f**g decals on NASCAR race cars and highway vehicles on southern roads. Roy Moore is just the symbol of that sentiment and ideology that the president pulled the scab from and is scratching the underlying wound.

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Damn, aren't you the one who came in here whining about being civil and demanding intelligent debate? And, here you are, launching an attack on Christians and convicting people without due process. America's judicial system is unique in that it considers an accused innocent until proven guilty.

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whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Ok, you got me at least a little.
If you read the text a little more carefully, you'd find that I wasn't attacking Christians as a religion, just the hypocrisy of some of the believers. And the unwillingness to accept or tolerate other viewpoints.
Yes, the justice system requires proof and conviction prior to someone being guilty. But I would ask you the question ... would you let your teenage daughter go out with Roy Moore? Inquiring minds want to know ...

kankune Loc: Iowa

whitnebrat wrote:

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless.
The question was: "Would you prefer a Democrat or a child molester elected to the Senate?" The answer was illuminating ... "we need the v**e in order to pass our priorities, and he said he didn't do it." This from the same president that believes the words of Vladimir Putin when he says that Russia didn't interfere in the p**********l e******n last year. "We report, you decide."
We have to remember some facts about this race for Senate in Alabama.
First, this is the heart of the old Confederacy. Outside of the metropolitan areas, the War of Northern Aggression was never won by the Union ... they just kindof called a ceasefire. This is 'bubba' country where the term 'redneck' is a badge of honor to be worn with p***e. Trying to take down a Confederate monument would come close to causing a modern day lynching. This is KKK country and the home of many w***e s*********t groups and m*****as.
Couple this with high percentage of evangelical Christians, and it becomes a volatile mix of 'relitics' which has become the basis of Roy Moores support. It's here that the Bible's 'law' becomes supreme and no "Washington liberal" is going to tell us what to do.
It's like a medieval castle that has deepened the moral moat and pulled up the intellectual drawbridge. It bristles with the 'slings and arrows of outraged fortune' and unleashes them whenever challenged. "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."
These are people who wear their morality on their sleeves. They proudly profess to be "God-fearing, church-going people" of high moral character. I have to wonder if they still sacrifice livestock at the altar, eat shellfish or pork, or work on the Sabbath ... all of which are required or prohibited if they are going to claim this moral high ground.
The last time I checked, having this temperment would preclude having anything to do with someone who had sexual proclivities for young children. But somehow, they are willing to overlook nine women and numerous Gadsden law enforcement retirees who had first-hand encounters with the judge, or were told to not let him anywhere close to teenage girls. They're willing to support someone that they wouldn't let within hollering distance of their own teenage daughters.
If I were to try to make this moral connection, I would have to tie my mental processes into a giant Gordian Knot. It would require such a disconnect of competing thought streams that I would probably be considered legally schizophrenic.
And yet it persists. And it isn't just rural Alabama. If you scratch the surface of the rural countryside anywhere from east Texas to Georgia and Mississippi to Appalachia and the Ozarks, you'll find varying degrees of the same sentiments. This is the countryside of 'Easy Rider' and 'Deliverance'. Time has warped or stopped for many of the communities.
Change isn't going to come easy to this area. Those moral precepts that they take from the Bible, even with all the contradictions and convolutions, will continue to reign supreme and conflict with tolerant liberal social views for the foreseeable future.
But some of those conflicts I just can't wrap my brain around. How can it be that there is a 'sacred' marriage, but the man (or woman) has an affair or long-term relationship outside that marriage and people just wink and grin and look the other way. But you talk about a same-sex marriage and it's as though the lightning was going to strike from a clear sky and the earth open up and swallow you to hell.
"Oh well, we just h**e the sin but love the sinner." This is the countryside of Jim Baaker, who defrauded his flock of millions of dollars, went to prison, and now still claims a televangelistic flock of thousands. This is the countryside of Jimmy Swaggert who was caught with prostitutes in Louisiana and still commands the loyalty of thousands through his own satellite television channel. This is the countryside of Huey Long, the 'Kingfish' of Louisiana, who ran one of the most corrupt state governments in the country for a generation. This is the countryside of George Wallace, who proclaimed from the steps of the University of Alabama: "Segregation then, segregation now, segregation forever", as federal troops accompanied the first black student to enroll at that school. This is the countryside of 'Bull' Connor, the sheriff who confronted the marchers at the Edmond Pettis bridge at Selma with dogs and firehoses.
Given the history of this part of the country, it logically follows that these sentiments still simmer below the surface of 'southern hospitality' and 'genteel appearance.' If you don't believe this, just look at the number of Confederate f**g decals on NASCAR race cars and highway vehicles on southern roads. Roy Moore is just the symbol of that sentiment and ideology that the president pulled the scab from and is scratching the underlying wound.

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Where are you from Whit?

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Southern Oregon boonies.

EmilyStrode

whitnebrat wrote:

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless.
The question was: "Would you prefer a Democrat or a child molester elected to the Senate?" The answer was illuminating ... "we need the v**e in order to pass our priorities, and he said he didn't do it." This from the same president that believes the words of Vladimir Putin when he says that Russia didn't interfere in the p**********l e******n last year. "We report, you decide."
We have to remember some facts about this race for Senate in Alabama.
First, this is the heart of the old Confederacy. Outside of the metropolitan areas, the War of Northern Aggression was never won by the Union ... they just kindof called a ceasefire. This is 'bubba' country where the term 'redneck' is a badge of honor to be worn with p***e. Trying to take down a Confederate monument would come close to causing a modern day lynching. This is KKK country and the home of many w***e s*********t groups and m*****as.
Couple this with high percentage of evangelical Christians, and it becomes a volatile mix of 'relitics' which has become the basis of Roy Moores support. It's here that the Bible's 'law' becomes supreme and no "Washington liberal" is going to tell us what to do.
It's like a medieval castle that has deepened the moral moat and pulled up the intellectual drawbridge. It bristles with the 'slings and arrows of outraged fortune' and unleashes them whenever challenged. "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."
These are people who wear their morality on their sleeves. They proudly profess to be "God-fearing, church-going people" of high moral character. I have to wonder if they still sacrifice livestock at the altar, eat shellfish or pork, or work on the Sabbath ... all of which are required or prohibited if they are going to claim this moral high ground.
The last time I checked, having this temperment would preclude having anything to do with someone who had sexual proclivities for young children. But somehow, they are willing to overlook nine women and numerous Gadsden law enforcement retirees who had first-hand encounters with the judge, or were told to not let him anywhere close to teenage girls. They're willing to support someone that they wouldn't let within hollering distance of their own teenage daughters.
If I were to try to make this moral connection, I would have to tie my mental processes into a giant Gordian Knot. It would require such a disconnect of competing thought streams that I would probably be considered legally schizophrenic.
And yet it persists. And it isn't just rural Alabama. If you scratch the surface of the rural countryside anywhere from east Texas to Georgia and Mississippi to Appalachia and the Ozarks, you'll find varying degrees of the same sentiments. This is the countryside of 'Easy Rider' and 'Deliverance'. Time has warped or stopped for many of the communities.
Change isn't going to come easy to this area. Those moral precepts that they take from the Bible, even with all the contradictions and convolutions, will continue to reign supreme and conflict with tolerant liberal social views for the foreseeable future.
But some of those conflicts I just can't wrap my brain around. How can it be that there is a 'sacred' marriage, but the man (or woman) has an affair or long-term relationship outside that marriage and people just wink and grin and look the other way. But you talk about a same-sex marriage and it's as though the lightning was going to strike from a clear sky and the earth open up and swallow you to hell.
"Oh well, we just h**e the sin but love the sinner." This is the countryside of Jim Baaker, who defrauded his flock of millions of dollars, went to prison, and now still claims a televangelistic flock of thousands. This is the countryside of Jimmy Swaggert who was caught with prostitutes in Louisiana and still commands the loyalty of thousands through his own satellite television channel. This is the countryside of Huey Long, the 'Kingfish' of Louisiana, who ran one of the most corrupt state governments in the country for a generation. This is the countryside of George Wallace, who proclaimed from the steps of the University of Alabama: "Segregation then, segregation now, segregation forever", as federal troops accompanied the first black student to enroll at that school. This is the countryside of 'Bull' Connor, the sheriff who confronted the marchers at the Edmond Pettis bridge at Selma with dogs and firehoses.
Given the history of this part of the country, it logically follows that these sentiments still simmer below the surface of 'southern hospitality' and 'genteel appearance.' If you don't believe this, just look at the number of Confederate f**g decals on NASCAR race cars and highway vehicles on southern roads. Roy Moore is just the symbol of that sentiment and ideology that the president pulled the scab from and is scratching the underlying wound.

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but l... (show quote)

Moore is accused, not convicted. There can be no moral outrage. Hopefully not just in the Deep South but anywhere "innocent until proven guilty" needs to prevail. Siding for or against him in this matter of sexual impropriety is base line stupid and thoroughly uncalled for. It is now an unknown either way. V**e issues.

kankune Loc: Iowa

whitnebrat wrote:

Southern Oregon boonies.

Just wondering why you think you're such an expert on the south...

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

whitnebrat wrote:

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but last Tuesday when the President answered a question I was speechless.
The question was: "Would you prefer a Democrat or a child molester elected to the Senate?" The answer was illuminating ... "we need the v**e in order to pass our priorities, and he said he didn't do it." This from the same president that believes the words of Vladimir Putin when he says that Russia didn't interfere in the p**********l e******n last year. "We report, you decide."
We have to remember some facts about this race for Senate in Alabama.
First, this is the heart of the old Confederacy. Outside of the metropolitan areas, the War of Northern Aggression was never won by the Union ... they just kindof called a ceasefire. This is 'bubba' country where the term 'redneck' is a badge of honor to be worn with p***e. Trying to take down a Confederate monument would come close to causing a modern day lynching. This is KKK country and the home of many w***e s*********t groups and m*****as.
Couple this with high percentage of evangelical Christians, and it becomes a volatile mix of 'relitics' which has become the basis of Roy Moores support. It's here that the Bible's 'law' becomes supreme and no "Washington liberal" is going to tell us what to do.
It's like a medieval castle that has deepened the moral moat and pulled up the intellectual drawbridge. It bristles with the 'slings and arrows of outraged fortune' and unleashes them whenever challenged. "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts."
These are people who wear their morality on their sleeves. They proudly profess to be "God-fearing, church-going people" of high moral character. I have to wonder if they still sacrifice livestock at the altar, eat shellfish or pork, or work on the Sabbath ... all of which are required or prohibited if they are going to claim this moral high ground.
The last time I checked, having this temperment would preclude having anything to do with someone who had sexual proclivities for young children. But somehow, they are willing to overlook nine women and numerous Gadsden law enforcement retirees who had first-hand encounters with the judge, or were told to not let him anywhere close to teenage girls. They're willing to support someone that they wouldn't let within hollering distance of their own teenage daughters.
If I were to try to make this moral connection, I would have to tie my mental processes into a giant Gordian Knot. It would require such a disconnect of competing thought streams that I would probably be considered legally schizophrenic.
And yet it persists. And it isn't just rural Alabama. If you scratch the surface of the rural countryside anywhere from east Texas to Georgia and Mississippi to Appalachia and the Ozarks, you'll find varying degrees of the same sentiments. This is the countryside of 'Easy Rider' and 'Deliverance'. Time has warped or stopped for many of the communities.
Change isn't going to come easy to this area. Those moral precepts that they take from the Bible, even with all the contradictions and convolutions, will continue to reign supreme and conflict with tolerant liberal social views for the foreseeable future.
But some of those conflicts I just can't wrap my brain around. How can it be that there is a 'sacred' marriage, but the man (or woman) has an affair or long-term relationship outside that marriage and people just wink and grin and look the other way. But you talk about a same-sex marriage and it's as though the lightning was going to strike from a clear sky and the earth open up and swallow you to hell.
"Oh well, we just h**e the sin but love the sinner." This is the countryside of Jim Baaker, who defrauded his flock of millions of dollars, went to prison, and now still claims a televangelistic flock of thousands. This is the countryside of Jimmy Swaggert who was caught with prostitutes in Louisiana and still commands the loyalty of thousands through his own satellite television channel. This is the countryside of Huey Long, the 'Kingfish' of Louisiana, who ran one of the most corrupt state governments in the country for a generation. This is the countryside of George Wallace, who proclaimed from the steps of the University of Alabama: "Segregation then, segregation now, segregation forever", as federal troops accompanied the first black student to enroll at that school. This is the countryside of 'Bull' Connor, the sheriff who confronted the marchers at the Edmond Pettis bridge at Selma with dogs and firehoses.
Given the history of this part of the country, it logically follows that these sentiments still simmer below the surface of 'southern hospitality' and 'genteel appearance.' If you don't believe this, just look at the number of Confederate f**g decals on NASCAR race cars and highway vehicles on southern roads. Roy Moore is just the symbol of that sentiment and ideology that the president pulled the scab from and is scratching the underlying wound.

It isn't often that I'm at a loss for words, but l... (show quote)

Ox

Whit;
Did it ever occur to you that all those historical figures you cite as EVIL were Democrats?
As for Moore, as nearly as I can tell he was a horny cad but not a rapist or p*******e. On a practical basis we need to elect him, seat him, force him to resign, have the gov appoint an interim senator and call a special e******n.

I keep wondering where in he'll were these girls parent's when the little tarts were dating a man twice their age. I did that but the women were 35 years old.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

kankune wrote:

Just wondering why you think you're such an expert on the south...

Earlier in my career I spent five years in North Texas and became familiar with how the people there thought. I also spent time in the coal country of Appalachia. It was a whole different universe then, and I don't think it's changed much since.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Ox wrote:

Whit; br Did it ever occur to you that all those h... (show quote)

===> That's the wonderment of it all ... where were the parents?

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

My apologies ... still trying to figure out what buttons do what....

Whit;
Did it ever occur to you that all those historical figures you cite as EVIL were Democrats?

===> Yep. The Dixiecrats were all over the southland for many years prior to the 1960's and the Civil Rights Act. But the underlying resentments and ideology was the same regardless of which party was in power.

As for Moore, as nearly as I can tell he was a horny cad but not a rapist or p*******e. On a practical basis we need to elect him, seat him, force him to resign, have the gov appoint an interim senator and call a special e******n.

===> Again, you're totally correct, although we don't know (and may never know) if he's a p*******e or not. Regarding the process for putting the whole thing right is the best possible outcome, although there's any number of things that could screw up the sequence.

I keep wondering where in he'll were these girls parent's when the little tarts were dating a man twice their age. I did that but the women were 35 years old.

===> That's the wonderment. Where were the parents in all this?

kankune Loc: Iowa

whitnebrat wrote:

Earlier in my career I spent five years in North Texas and became familiar with how the people there thought. I also spent time in the coal country of Appalachia. It was a whole different universe then, and I don't think it's changed much since.

Hmmm...just got back 2 yrs ago from spending 3 yrs in Northern Texas. I didn't see that at all in the Texans I met or that became my friends. They are kind warm hearted people that will give you the shirt off their back. They loved to call me Yankee, but it was all in jest and said with affection. Most of the Texans I met were very smart and know "exactly" what's going on in this country and also what happening down at the border.

I would not be so quick to judge people until you really know them..just sayin.

Anyway for what it's worth. Welcome and enjoy the rollercoaster ride. It can be a doozy sometimes! : )

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

kankune wrote:

Hmmm...just got back 2 yrs ago from spending 3 yrs... (show quote)

I'll be the first to admit that things can change since I was there. For instance, the difference between Dallas and Fort Worth, in spite of their close proximity, was like night and day. Dallas wasn't too bad, but Fort Worth ... whew. It was like going back fifty years in attitudes and politics and it was only thirty miles.
Austin was cool, but from there west, it went retrograde in a hurry (IMHO).

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

kankune wrote:

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Kankune we see how they v**e and who they elect.