jay-are

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/01/alternative-to-boy-scouts-formed-in-wake-gay-controversy-finds-its-footing/?intcmp=obnetwork

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This is what the gays who wanted to be boy scouts should have done if they didn't want to be part of an organization that was based on Christian values. They should have started their own scouting organization for homosexuals, instead of having the gays infiltrate and destroy the boy scouts.

Now, tell the t***h, who is cramming their beliefs down the throats of the other, the gays, or the straights?

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Well, I am a straight woman, should anyone wonder, and alas, a Liberal (sigh, yes, a cross I bear, one my father would roll over in his grave to hear me say, BTW), but regardless of belief(s), being a boy scout is a celebration of life itself, so why should any boy be excluded? I, for the life of me, don't see a reason for the Boy Scouts to be exclusionary. Sorry, I just don't see it, but then that is "only" my opinion.

jay-are

You don't see, because you don't look. The boy scouts were created by their creator and they are what they were created to be. They are not a public institution that is governed by the standards and mores established through concensus of society. Just like the NAACP was formed to promote the interests of liberal black people, the Boy Scouts were formed to promote the interests of highly moral, ethical, good citizen, boys. That is not exclusionary. What the gays did to it is invasionary, and destructionary.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

No, respectfully, here, I do look. It's just that you and I see it differently. This is probably one of those topics that you and I could argue to the end of time. When the boy scout organization was created, gays were invisible, so that is where you and I begin our paths to go in separate directions. I suspect the creator of the organization never gave the first nanosecond of a thought to gay or straight. However, I respect your right to have and express an opinion and I hope you respect mine. How else do we begin to hear one another.

Brian Devon

Personally I don't see how there should be any emphasis on sexuality in the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts, whether straight or gay. When the children leave scouting, they have their entire adult lives to deal with adult issues.

jay-are

So your opinion is that the creator of the Boy Scouts would have allowed gay boys in if there had been any at the time? Is that your point? Have you read the Boy Scout law?

http://www.usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bslaw.asp

There is no room there for homosexuality or any kind of perversion, sin, or unt***hfulness.

The Boy Scout Oath

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

It was originated as a straight, moral, according to Biblical standards, organization.

What is wrong with that? Why can't morally straight boys have an exclusive organization, and why can't immoral boys start their own organization if they don't want to take an oath to being morally straight?

And speaking of that, how can gays even take that oath? Why would they even want to be boy scouts? They don't want to be morally straight and certainly won't be honest in taking an oath to be so.

Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
•Duty to God and country,
•Duty to other people, and
•Duty to self

DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your family and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.

Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.

DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.

DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength. Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.

Are those really qualities that homosexuals strive for and respect? Homosexuals should h**e the Boy Scouts.

Homosexuals don't want to hear about duty. They only want to talk about what they are entitled to and what they have been deprived of.

jay-are

That is right. Children should not be participating in sexuality and what that means at this age. It was the homosexuals who insisted on bringing up the subject, and being recognized as such.
And it was homosexuals who got involved as leaders who brought up the subject, and in some cases used the boy scouts as hunting grounds to find victims for their abuse.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

All three of my sons were in the Boy Scouts. Thanks for taking the time to put onscreen their Oath and also to explain why you feel the way you do about the three parts contained therein.

Duty to God, is where you and I digress. I know of ordained ministers who perform same sex marriages. I know ministers who are all embracing, if for no other reason, we are ALL children of God. Quite frankly, that is how I feel -- we are all God's children. While I am sure that the ministers I mentioned may be the exception to the rule, they apparently have found reason to believe God does not abandon nor condemn those who are not straight. I know some very awesome individuals who are gay, some much stronger of character and morally straight than some straight people I know who consider themselves God fearing Christians. I'm blanking, names sometimes disappear, but I believe it was Brian, between your and my postings who said (and I am paraphrasing here) "there is time enough later for boys to deal with adult matters." I know you wish everyone felt the same way you do about the matter because it is something you feel passionately about. I understand what it is to feel passionately about something and wish everyone to embrace your philosophy. It just isn't always possible. It still means a lot to me, however, that you took the time you did to explain why you feel the way you do.

Comment Loc: California

Let's face it; the q***rs will push their sexuality on until there is a complete t***sition to homosexuality. And they apparently have a lot of bis rooting for them. God save the Queens.

jay-are

I also know of Imams who advocate k*****g or subjugating non-Muslims, and other religious leaders who believe that dead people inhabit cows. The vast majority of humans are wrong about God, and only a few will find the t***h. None of that matters as to whether the Boy Scouts are justified in upholding standards chosen by the founders, and whether they have a right to restrict membership to those who take the oath to uphold those standards. The right to do that is unarguably American. The way that right was violated by homosexuals smacks of facism and tyranny.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

The homosexual agenda includes getting homosexual scout leaders . Keep in mind that 40% of child molestation, is male on male perpetrated by the 2% of the population that is homosexual. Studies and police reports verify this data, even though to even talk about it is "h**e speech" Having homosexuals as scout leaders is going to lead to trouble and a lot of scouts molested. As far as out of the closet homosexual scouts in a society that encourages sexual activity any age, any time, any where it is insane to assume that the "out" scouts are not going to encourage other tent mates to participate in homosexual activity. After all, they have learned in school that all sex, any type, with any number of people or animals, is normal, why should they not participate? Since each sex act trains the mind and body to respond to that type of act positively, the goal of the homosexual agenda, to have everyone respond to all sex as valid, and they are rapidly reaching that goal due to the school system and the agenda. Welcome Brave New World and the total destruction of the family which is the ultimate goal. After all "the children belong to the government not the family" It takes a village to screw up the family..

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Was going to reply but you said it perfectly.

jay-are

The honest t***h is that the homosexuals did not want to join the Boy Scouts because they wanted to be Boy Scouts. The homosexuals want to be able to participate in Boy Scouts because they want to project the image of morality. They want to hide their immorality and give legitimacy to their behavior that otherwise is considered immoral. That is the same reason they want to claim to be married. They want to shroud themselves in morally accepted institutions in order to hide their immorality and depravity.

They don't want equal rights, they just want their activities to stop being categorized as negative and a******l and wrong. Don't all criminals and evil people want the same? People don't become good by just calling their bad activities good. They have to stop doing evil and bad and wrong things to become good.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

I don't know if I can explain this any better, but I will take a shot. I was a Boy Scout once and we had very strong leadership in our troop. We talked about gays, although I will admit it was not very much, but everyone agreed that it was wrong. Now form my understanding of what was going on, the boys were allowed to join the Scouts, but not adults. That was what the fight was over. The boys were OK and they though maybe they could help some of them. The adults however mostly wanted a new hunting ground for new boys to molest. It was not the intention of the leaders to stop the boys from joining, but to stop the adults from teaching them how to be a good gay Scout and all that goes with it.

Now I don't have anything against the boys joining either and I would admit them if for no other reason then to try and help them. Young children are easy to impress and they can be confused by adults telling them that it is OK to be gay. Adults getting into leadership positions is wrong if they are gay and getting into a group like the Boy Scouts. They can't be watched all the time and I would h**e to have even one boy attacked by a gay man. I just don't see where allowing gays into leadership positions is wright for anyone with regards to the Boy Scouts.

I do agree that if the gays wanted to be Boy Scout leaders, then they should have started their own Scout program, although under a different name. What they really wanted was to demand that they be allowed in the Boy Scouts and that they should be allow access to young boys. That I could never agree to. The gays are not demanding their rights, but demanding special rights and that I do not agree with either.

Comment Loc: California

Individual rights, freedom of association, freedom of speech, does anyone have them? Should people be free to form a group? Sports groups/clubs, men's clubs, women's clubs exclusive of anyone else. Just because someone one wants to join does that give them an automatic right. I am speaking about non-gov sponsored clubs, groups and organizations. Giving or forcing a right to one individual takes away the right of another. I think this country is not a free country. What moral right does a minority have to push themselves onto someone else. Is it coming that if a white girl refuses the invitation for a date with another woman or a another race that she is deemed a r****t, or sexist and as such she is subjected to monetary damages as well as damage to her reputation. I think the situation is already out of hand. I carried this verse to an extreme to stress my message.