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Nov 18, 2017 22:18:23   #
MtnMamma
 
out of the woods wrote:
I absolutely agree. To live in a society peacably, we must be civilized, or the chaos that we now see unfolding becomes the norm. Turn on the TV and what is considered comedy, but our most vile and base weaknesses.. The news likewise. This is now accepted as we have forsaken our moral foundation, , mainly our accountability to God, but also to society at large. Today we are instructed to damn all and please ourselves, regardless of consequence, and the consequences we are reaping are dire. This all started with the destruction of the family, we are a nation of negected undisciplined children. Many were never taught to engage in life, but are simply running amok.
I absolutely agree. To live in a society peacably,... (show quote)


Great post, thank you. I agree. How to take back the simple the family unit, away from those godless influences that, in your fine words, "are instructed to damn all and please ourselves, regardless of consequence"?

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Nov 18, 2017 22:20:57   #
MtnMamma
 
Peewee wrote:
I'm kind of old, and I think I have it partially figured out... I think it started with the Fed Reserve (big greedy banksters), then the Fed Income tax in 1913 (greedy government), then the church gave up the right to censor films, then no fault divorce, then prayer out of the schools, then sex ed, then a******n, then same sex marriage... and Hugh Hefner played his role and so did Hollywood and drugs, the sexual revolution of the 60's... looking back it all seems so planned, little by little. We need to repent and return to God and our foundations and Constitution and it's original intent. All our institutions have been failing for a long time. It's called "moral decay".
I'm kind of old, and I think I have it partially f... (show quote)


Wow, that is a damning history. It is systemic, not changing times. Well put.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:22:07   #
MtnMamma
 
rebob14 wrote:
Amen and Amen!!! “.......a man with an undisciplined mind is like a city without walls”


Too funny, that scripture is why I wrote this post. We need to talk.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:33:42   #
MtnMamma
 
lindajoy wrote:
We have standards and moral standards that have been under attack for some time now..

Where there is no society there is no Country..

The breakdown may be caused by the changes in the political and/or cultural changes of the society being attacked to weaken our resolve to stand with dignity and grace regardless of attack...

We have accepted a lower standard on the PC of it alll.. At least some have..
The moral standard of good and bad is a constant reminder and we do know the difference.. Some it seems just don’t care anymore..
The need to hold ourself to a higher moral acceptance is absolute..

Your words define but your action establishes you..

I agree the language used anymore is atrocious and as long as we accept it as the norm and not challenge it through objection the more it will break down..

Graciousness is the ability to think, speak and act your feelings within the bounds of dignity... yet we often don’t even think before our words come jumping out..
We have standards and moral standards that have be... (show quote)


I would really like to have the command of the language you have. You really nail it. Love that line: "Your words define but your action establishes you.." Very true.

But I have to say, so that we do not get lost in finger-pointing, that it is not all or maybe even directly Progressives. The present overwhelming d******eness in America that I see has all turning to attacks that only benefit partisanship, and not God. Fear and h**e appears to dominate each side, and in that God is absent.

You are a wise and decent person, I can tell. Your comment on graciousness is your witness. Dealing with all we know with grace is key. This will not change America or the world, grace will...if we submit it.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:35:37   #
MtnMamma
 
Ox wrote:
I agree with the op' s premise. Even the common discourse has become that of the gutter. We place the filthy language and behavior of celebrities as examples for the young.


Unreal, right? Look at the examples the media holds up or most talks about.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:39:16   #
MtnMamma
 
Hemiman wrote:
All great comments from really great people.I too wish we could put the genie back in the bottle and go back to a time when people respected each other it was a much better world.


I think we can. The Right has to be pro-active in promoting decency, respect, and honor in all exchanges: that will win this country. Minorities and immigrants want the same basic stuff. Being godly is the edge!

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Nov 18, 2017 22:40:12   #
MtnMamma
 
debeda wrote:
AGREED!! I wonder when we went from admiring those who did the right thing to admiring those who "Got over on" everybody. Great post.


Thank you.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:55:41   #
MtnMamma
 
Kevyn wrote:
Vulgarity has always been part of western culture. Here is a line from Shakespeare “DROMIO: A man may break a word with you sire, and words are but wind. Ay, and break it in your face, so he break it not behind” it refers to deliberately farting in someone’s face. Centuries old and yet not much different than you would find in a modern comedy movie. Below are several instances of vulgarity in the book of genesis some of which are on the edge of pornographic. I think what you are proposing is an enforcement of prudity, washing ones mouth out with soap for using bad words sort of thing. In my opinion it is far more important that people treat others with courtesy.
GE 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness.

GE 19:4-8 A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.

GE 19:30-38 Lot's daughters have sexual intercourse with him while he is drunk; both become pregnant by their father.

GE 24:2-9, 47:29 "... put your hand under my thigh, and I will make you swear by the Lord ...." (Note: This means "put your hand under my testicles," which is the manner in which oaths were taken at the time; "testament," "testify," and "testicle" have the same root.)

GE 29:16-30 Jacob marries both Leah and her sister Rachel. He has children by both Leah and Rachel's maid Bilhah, but Rachel remains barren. Due apparently to Rachel's generosity to her husband, the Lord eventually allows Rachel to conceive.

GE 34:1-2 Shechem defiles Dinah.

GE 34:13-29 Hamor, his son, and the men of their village agree to be circumcised so as to be allowed to marry the daughters of the Israelites. On the third day, "when they were sore," the Israelites k**l Hamor, his son, and all the men of the village, and plunder their wealth, taking their wives and children, thus getting revenge for the defiling of Dinah.

GE 35:22 (KJV) "Reuben went and lay with Bilhah, his fathers concubine."

GE 38:9 Onan "spills his seed" on the ground rather than fulfill his obligation to his widowed sister-in-law to father a child by her.

GE 38:13-19 Tamar plays the role of a harlot in order to have sexual intercourse with her father-in-law. She conceives and twins are born.

GE 39:7-23 The wife of Joseph's master tries to get Joseph to go to bed with her. He refuses, and flees leaving his "garment in her hand." She claims that Joseph tried to rape her, and Joseph ends up imprisoned
Vulgarity has always been part of western culture.... (show quote)


kevyn, you know how to be decent and respectful to others. Do you need to conjure up some Secular Manifesto or other source to treat another humanely? Describing what vulgarity is and being vulgar are not the same. Tell your children it is vulgar, wrong, or intemperate to use certain words and name them for clarity is wise, not vulgarity.

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Nov 18, 2017 22:58:23   #
MtnMamma
 
out of the woods wrote:
Kev, forgot to include the long range consequence of these actions. They are realy cautionary, demonstrating the wisdom of Gods Laws. People believe Gods laws are simply to restrict, but they are to protect us from ourselves, as God, can see the bigger picture. In our r*******n, we have exposed ourselves to great evil, from which only Gods t***h can protect us.


Perfect. Well, I think so. Christianity is so often thought of as only a "restrictive religion: thous shalt not."

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Nov 18, 2017 22:59:25   #
MtnMamma
 
BigMike wrote:
"As it was in the days of Noah...". I think we've about reached that.


Sorry, was distracted; putting on a life vest. What did you say?

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Nov 18, 2017 23:00:14   #
MtnMamma
 
BigMike wrote:
Things have been set in motion that have to play themselves out. Hold on to your hat. History...sped up...for lack of a better term. Washington is being shaken. America is being shaken. To our betterment, I think, because we have a role to play in the events about to t***spire. America is mentioned specifically twice in prophecy, once in Daniel and once in Revelation and once more in Revelation America is noteworthy for its absence in another prophecy.

The world is also being shaken, but it will push on all the harder toward this world government it leads folks to believe will end war and economic ine******y.

What they don't stress so much is that also means the establishment of a permanent ruling class.

Same old lie as in the Garden..."You will be like God..."

Same as Babel.

Same as Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Rome, the Holy Roman Empire and what was born in Europe when the Berlin Wall fell (Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the statue).

This Pope is a straight c*******t and believes in world government. He's also big with the Interfaith movement (one world religion). People like Olsteen, Warren and Copeland are on board with it. The Vatican is welcoming home her "daughters" (Rev 17). Its been in the news. I wonder if anyone is paying attention.

The folks in charge always begin to imagine they are God. Maybe not at first but eventually.

Then the persecution of "dissidents" begins.

Then the persecution of perceived enemies begins.
Things have been set in motion that I have /I to... (show quote)


The trembling of the Olive tree.

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Nov 18, 2017 23:06:17   #
MtnMamma
 
No problem. Jesus made it about something else. Some Christians may disagree but I feel it is reduced to this simple thing: Love thy neighbor. Do that and Christ is there. Wh**ever else there is will eventually conform and work for that singular purpose of Christ. For love of neighbor is like unto love of God.

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Nov 18, 2017 23:13:09   #
MtnMamma
 
Kevyn wrote:
Jesus didn’t write the Bible, half was written before he was born and much of the rest after he died.


Yes. But what makes for the spirit of anything? Is it words as strictly defined or a felt-sense? When we truly release to the soul of our humanity, it is always that felt-sense. I have never met a person that did not have an experience of "something other." Few could define it. But most did not like it being definitely defined: it was greater than that.

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Nov 18, 2017 23:15:04   #
MtnMamma
 
pafret wrote:
As with most of our societal problems it began with Court decisions:

"United States v. One Book Called Ulysses was a December 6, 1933 decision by the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York in a case dealing with freedom of expression. At issue was whether James Joyce's novel Ulysses was obscene. In deciding it was not, Judge John M. Woolsey opened the door to importation and publication of serious works of literature that used coarse language or involved sexual subjects."

The Supreme Court put the nail in the coffin of domestic morality with this ruling:

The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California.[2] It has three parts:

Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions[3] specifically defined by applicable state law,
Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.[4]

The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.

The first two prongs of the Miller test are held to the standards of the community, and the last prong is held to what is reasonable to a person of the United States as a whole. The national reasonable person standard of the third prong acts as a check on the community standard of the first two prongs, allowing protection for works that in a certain community might be considered obscene but on a national level might have redeeming value.

For legal scholars, several issues are important. One is that the test allows for community standards rather than a national standard. What offends the average person in Manhattan, Kansas, may differ from what offends the average person in Manhattan, New York.[5] The relevant community, however, is not defined.

Another important issue is that the Miller Test asks for an interpretation of what the "average" person finds offensive, rather than what the more sensitive persons in the community are offended by, as obscenity was defined by the previous test, the Hicklin test, stemming from the English precedent.

In practice, pornography showing g*****lia and sexual acts is not ipso facto obscene according to the Miller test. For instance, in 2000, a jury in Provo, Utah, took only a few minutes to clear Larry Peterman, owner of a Movie Buffs video store, in Utah County, Utah, a region which had often boasted of being one of the most conservative areas in the United States. Researchers had shown that guests at the local Marr**tt Hotel were disproportionately large consumers of pay-per-view pornographic material, accessing far more material than the store was distributing.[6]"


The third point "artistic merit" has subsequently been used to justify any perversion and filth that someone wanted to perpetrate. George Carlin made a career out of extolling the seven words which could not be uttered on Television or any broadcast media. He then proceeded to orally list all of the words and his routine was a putdown of alleged hypocrisy. Scorn, sneering, and contumely were used to destroy morality and debase the public, which then became inured to such egregious behavior, done under the aegis of "entertainment". Performers like Lenny Bruce and Shecky Greene made foul-mouthed dissertations their stock in trade and the glitterati applauded. Free speech -- Free Speech, it is art! The rest of the fools in this nation, in aping their idols, accepted and applauded what was garbage.

We went downhill to describing pornography as soft-core and hard-core as though there is any essential difference. This has progressed to the point that most TV programs and commercials are soft-core pornography and migrating to hard-core. What an enormous difference from the early days when a husband and wife could not be shown together in bed to the current mores where two homosexuals are shown together in bed.

Crude, earthy language has always been with us but in removing the oppression on such language we have let the Genie out of the bottle and like most Genies, wh**ever we wished for rebounds to our harm.
As with most of our societal problems it began wit... (show quote)


Good post but it began with Adam. "We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God."

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Nov 18, 2017 23:27:15   #
MtnMamma
 
Peewee wrote:
Who knows what might click and on what day. I try to be more like Jesus the closer I get to going home. He loves and created Kev... unless... Kev is one of those demon possessed AI robots I've read about that rewrite their own code when the humans go home. That would make me mad, like being told I'm off topic about the national debt...:)


Personally, I have always found that Kevs are needed in my life and as welcomed guests. They help me to see better. Imago dei is in him, as it is in me, and as it is in you. He is not an enemy. Curious point: "Turn the other cheek" is only meant for those how are not followers of Christ, not for Christians. The Romans in ancient times said the worst about us in this: they love. That we are known for our love is what Jesus said condemns us to the world and distinguishes us as Christians. Make the mistake of love and you can't be wrong.

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