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Nov 18, 2017 18:10:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
working class stiff wrote:
What overspending? Obama was handed a trillion dollar budget hole and recession. He reduced that by half.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1960_2021USb_XXs2li111mcn_G0f


And then there’s this fact..
You did see the growth in spending, right?? Ohh and a budget that he supported and lived by right??

Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 - just before Obama took office - stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000.

As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.

Based on the website USdebtclock.com, which extrapolates the US national debt in real time based on committed government spending, the debt will be roughly $19.97 trillion when President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Friday.

Thus, the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.

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Nov 18, 2017 18:16:48   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Morgan wrote:
Bush helped put us back? What the frig are you talking about? Do you live on an alternate planet? I won't leave out the last 8 years, have you compared Roosevelt to Obama and checked the spending Roosevelt did after that crash and he actually had tax money to spend, he taxed the wealthy up to 90 %, what did Bush do in our war he cut taxes to the wealthy. What did congress do when Obama came into office they refused to Approve the budget from money already spent from the Bush administration! Unless Obama agreed to leave the taxes as they were. Do a little homework first girl.
Bush helped put us back? What the frig are you tal... (show quote)


Now that you're over your little hissy fit. I said Bush helped put is back in the hole. I'm not a fan of his. Take a chill pill and mellow out!

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Nov 18, 2017 18:18:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Good job as per usual. How do liberals overlook all that spending Obama did? It's math, not partisan politics; until the blame game starts. Actually debt isn't the real problem. The ratio of debt to GDP is the problem.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/

lindajoy wrote:
And then there’s this fact..
You did see the growth in spending, right?? Ohh and a budget that he supported and lived by right??

Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 - just before Obama took office - stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000.

As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.

Based on the website USdebtclock.com, which extrapolates the US national debt in real time based on committed government spending, the debt will be roughly $19.97 trillion when President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Friday.

Thus, the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.
And then there’s this fact.. br You did see the gr... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2017 18:18:39   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Morgan wrote:
You wish we got on our knees, you're such a fool, and you haven't figured it out yet...we're all in the same damn boat. You guys took that boat and crashed us just like the Titanic, and here you are at the wheel again, and once again the wealthy will bail with their butts in the life boats letting the rest of us to go down with the ship...I guess some things just don't change, but this time things will be very clearly apparent and the buck stops with YOU, Trump and his entourage.


I take it back on the chill pill. Have a shot or maybe two. You need it.....

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Nov 18, 2017 18:20:34   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
working class stiff wrote:
What overspending? Obama was handed a trillion dollar budget hole and recession. He reduced that by half.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1960_2021USb_XXs2li111mcn_G0f


Yep right....wh**ever you say. 🤥🤥🤥🤥

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Nov 18, 2017 18:54:19   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Morgan wrote:
Bush helped put us back? What the frig are you talking about? Do you live on an alternate planet? I won't leave out the last 8 years, have you compared Roosevelt to Obama and checked the spending Roosevelt did after that crash and he actually had tax money to spend, he taxed the wealthy up to 90 %, what did Bush do in our war he cut taxes to the wealthy. What did congress do when Obama came into office they refused to Approve the budget from money already spent from the Bush administration! Unless Obama agreed to leave the taxes as they were. Do a little homework first girl.
Bush helped put us back? What the frig are you tal... (show quote)


Dear, have you a short memory.
Have you forgotten car dealerships (corporations) lost nearly 40%of dealerships nationwide? Restaurants (corporations) went out by the thousands, big box stores (sears, jc Penny's, Macy's), mini malls across America closing, Recreational Vehicles (motor home, travel trailers), closing accross America? We were bleeding millions of jobs, tens upon tens of thousands of corporations going out of business. The only hope was tax cuts in order to stop the bleeding.
Roosevelt (measured by economists, years later) policies extended the depression by at least double, of what it's recovery would have been
Then under Obama more businesses closing than opening, first time in history directly related to his restrictive regulations during the time businesses were on life support.

You have been mentally brainwashed, by liberal media twisting facts and t***hs.
Everything I just posted is empirical fact and beyond refut.

Last, over 95% of all Americans have zero idea how America's economy works, and over 95% of Americans repeat what they read and hear with zero understanding of economic facts. By the way, 95% includes all political parties, so thus is not an attack on liberals.

Factoid : using the same economic tools used to measure the "great depression" 2008/2009 was far greater and was not a recession, but America's 2nd and Greatest depression. The only "Major" difference was this time in history we had "unemployment", food stamps, welfare and tax rebates or food lines would have stretched for miles, r**ts, home invasions on epic scales.

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Nov 18, 2017 18:59:57   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
kankune wrote:
Yep right....wh**ever you say. 🤥🤥🤥🤥




Wake up, over 12 trillion fed money "not included in the national debt" was uncovered but kept very hush. Look it up.

Explain why Obama directed over 3.5 trillion dollars to Wallstreet instead of mainstreet? Obama utilized not 9 trillion of fed money, but over 16 trillion dollars of fed money.

Don't continue arguing what you know nothing about, stop while you're behind.

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Nov 18, 2017 19:01:00   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
lindajoy wrote:
And then there’s this fact..
You did see the growth in spending, right?? Ohh and a budget that he supported and lived by right??

Based on quarterly data released by the US Treasury, the debt at the end of 2008 - just before Obama took office - stood at roughly $10,699,805,000,000.

As of the third quarter of 2016, the most recent data available, the debt as Obama is set to leave office stood at $19,573,445,000,000.

Based on the website USdebtclock.com, which extrapolates the US national debt in real time based on committed government spending, the debt will be roughly $19.97 trillion when President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Friday.

Thus, the national debt under Obama will have grown by about $9 trillion, or an increase of 86%.
And then there’s this fact.. br You did see the gr... (show quote)


Yup....those trillions add up fast once a huge hole is blasted into the budget. Doesn't change the fact that is was Bush who created that hole. At least Obama stopped digging.

http://mises.org/blog/federal-spending-grew-more-under-bush-and-reagan-under-obama

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Nov 18, 2017 19:04:26   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JFlorio wrote:
Good job as per usual. How do liberals overlook all that spending Obama did? It's math, not partisan politics; until the blame game starts. Actually debt isn't the real problem. The ratio of debt to GDP is the problem.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/dueling-debt-deceptions/





OH, least we forget that tiny little unfunded liabilities of over $200 trillion, directly a result of liberal policies.... Fact, fact, fact and under Obama policies, Clinton policies 90+% empirical evidence resulting from those policies.

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Nov 18, 2017 19:07:57   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
working class stiff wrote:
Yup....those trillions add up fast once a huge hole is blasted into the budget. Doesn't change the fact that is was Bush who created that hole. At least Obama stopped digging.

http://mises.org/blog/federal-spending-grew-more-under-bush-and-reagan-under-obama




This is complete BS authored by an i***t, misrepresented facts, a complete deceptive conclusion.
And you know zero about the micro and macro economics that fuel America's economic engine. Just stop

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Nov 18, 2017 19:23:51   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
This is complete BS authored by an i***t, misrepresented facts, a complete deceptive conclusion.
And you know zero about the micro and macro economics that fuel America's economic engine. Just stop


Yes...the Mises and Austrian school of economics are real i***t liberals. Not!
Just can't deal with facts, can you? Think of it this way....what money did Obama have to spend? Revenues in 09, 10, 11, and 12 did not match revenues of 2008 due to the recession. Blaming the debt on Obama only is just intellectually dishonest.

http://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

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Nov 18, 2017 19:27:23   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
working class stiff wrote:
Yes...the Mises and Austrian school of economics are real i***t liberals. Not!
Just can't deal with facts, can you? Think of it this way....what money did Obama have to spend? Revenues in 09, 10, 11, and 12 did not match revenues of 2008 due to the recession. Blaming the debt on Obama only is just intellectually dishonest.

http://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762



Common, do you actually believe every trillion went through congress? Go back and learn what your talking about. History can be revised, but the t***h cannot be hidden.

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Nov 18, 2017 19:43:02   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
working class stiff wrote:
Yes...the Mises and Austrian school of economics are real i***t liberals. Not!
Just can't deal with facts, can you? Think of it this way....what money did Obama have to spend? Revenues in 09, 10, 11, and 12 did not match revenues of 2008 due to the recession. Blaming the debt on Obama only is just intellectually dishonest.

http://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762



The balance?? Really??? That is where you become informed? That's where you become infected!!!!!

Fact check me!!! Let's just point out one small lie. Did you know over 90% of corporations do not pay corporate taxes?? No you didn't!!!! They are refered to as "flow through" profits passed on to owners, that pay individual tax!!!! The other 10% are larger corporations that when taxed lower, spend billions on research and development, expansion, which creates jobs.
As previously stated, you can only bury history and t***h. Fact: history states the above.

Under Obama research and development nearly stopped accross America, expansion stopped, hiring stopped by the largest and small corporations.
Again, the chart used by the author is only 1% of the picture and the author has poorly manipulated those numbers

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Nov 18, 2017 19:47:29   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
Morgan wrote:
Right, that's why the country was in the black when Clinton left, and all bush had to do was stay on the same path, but that didn't happen did it...nope instead the Republicans brought us to our knees once again, that's the historical t***h, not the infamous alternate t***h of the extreme lying right.





According to Jim Dement and many others all Clinton did was ride the final wave of Reaganomics. A real historical t***h is,nothing good comes from demonRATS. They represent every thing immoral and ungodly.

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Nov 18, 2017 19:49:07   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Common, do you actually believe every trillion went through congress? Go back and learn what your talking about. History can be revised, but the t***h cannot be hidden.


So stop trying to revise and face the t***h: it's Republican who like to increase deficit spending and adding to the debt. The numbers don't lie. Reagan excoriated Carter for his 60B deficits and promptly ran 200B deficits. Bush Jr. was handed a balanced budget and then handed Obama a budget with 1. 2 trillion in deficits.

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