Obama Warns Russia (Page 5): I'm no liberal and I'm saying the us has brought these people's unfavorable views on ourselves. And now we need to decide are we going to support or cut...

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

alex wrote:

you liberals are inconsistent first you want the U.S. to bring the military back to this country and stop interfering in foreign affairs then you want us to back some gov.t half way around the world can't be done

I'm no liberal and I'm saying the us has brought these people's unfavorable views on ourselves. And now we need to decide are we going to support or cut ties with these government officials and allied countries??
we better be careful since we need all the friends we can get. GOD BLESS AMERICA

3jack

mwdg

Follow the freaking threads and see who starts the attacks, then get back to me.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Those who have read my past posts on the collapse of the petrodollar system may already understand what I am about to post.

This Ukraine situation is not about territorial sovereignty or the self determination of the Ukrainian people, as Jon Kerry presented this morning on Meet the Press. The people v**e in e******ns, the president is chosen by popular v**e (parliament reps by local e******ns), this is not about democracy. John Kerry is a hack

But, nobody in US Gov't is going to admit the t***h. That this is about oil (and natural gas)--just like Syria. BRICs countries want to replace the US Dollar as a Global Reserve Currency. Oil is now being traded by countries who are not getting punished (as in the past). 85% of EU oil comes through the Ukraine (produced in Russia and Central Asia). Turning off this lifeline (as the Russians had done in 2009) will drive the EU to it's knees.

Sec. Kerry has not thought through his position enough to realize that sanctions designed to isolate Russia will not work. It will simply draw them closer to China and the other BRICs nations.

The Ukraine economy has been collapsing since independence 1991, where they have lost 60% of GDP. They are in a desperate situation and the younger generation is led to believe that the EU is their lifeline. However the terms of the loans the EU has extended are not in Ukraine's best interest, as the EU dangles the join the EU carrot.
Ukraine is too far in debt to be accepted as an EU Member nation.

This will be interesting to watch play out as Pres. Obama has positioned himself between a rock and a hard place on this subject. The US is in a no win situation as we will continue to witness the collapse of the petrodollar, which has already begun.

3jack

madshark wrote:

Do you have a source to support your statement of opinion?

Yes.....common sense

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

banjojack wrote:

To which rant are you referring? I have never used bjack as a username, and most of the names I have been called are far more uncomplimentary, if not creative.

It's to bad that your user name is being confused with bjack. And yes I had to ask because I know you to be far to intelligent and thoughtful to use the English in the same manner as bjack.
hopefully people will know that you are two different people. Anyways God bless

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

3jack wrote:

mwdg

Follow the freaking threads and see who starts the attacks, then get back to me.

You started the whole thread when you posted

3jack wrote:

I accept t***h when I hear it, but I throw the BS f**g when I see lies, particularly right wing lies that offer no proof to back-up those lies.

Let he who is wise understand. Apparently youve never read The Art of War by Sun Tzu

Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak.
Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.

Lastly
When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

Peace be with you.

cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob

I know I sound ignorant bit what's the BRIC?

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

cant beleve wrote:

I know I sound ignorant bit what's the BRIC?

BRICs
Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa

http://www.brics5.co.za/

3jack

mwdegutis wrote:

Let he who is wise understand. Apparently youve never read The Art of War by Sun Tzu

Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak.
Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.

Lastly
When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.

Peace be with you.

You posted my responses to different posts, follow those threads before you accuse me of attacking anyone. However, I do fight back when attacked.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

TroubleshooterTim wrote:

BRICs
Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa

http://www.brics5.co.za/

kind of explains why obozo gave two billion to Brazil to drill offshore after not allowing the U.S.to do the same that plus the fact Geo. Soros has 800 million invested there

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Their is no explanation that Obama can give to reason that one. He was deliberately working against US interests when he did that.

Loki Loc: Georgia

TroubleshooterTim wrote:

BRICs
Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa

http://www.brics5.co.za/

Seems like it should be BRICSA.

3jack

alex wrote:

kind of explains why obozo gave two billion to Brazil to drill offshore after not allowing the U.S.to do the same that plus the fact Geo. Soros has 800 million invested there

Another right wing bald faced lie:

Copied from Factcheck.org

Bogus Brazilian Oil Claims
Posted on September 18, 2009

Q: Did Obama loan $2 billion to Brazils oil company to benefit China and George Soros?

A: The president had nothing to do with the loan, which the Export-Import Bank approved for Brazil to buy U.S.-made equipment and services.

FULL QUESTION
I received this in an e-mail. Is it true?

Today even though President Obama is against off shore drilling for oil for this country. He signed an executive order to loan 2 Billion of our taxpayers dollars to a Brazilian Oil Exploration Company (which is the 8th largest company in the entire world) to drill for oil off the coast of Brazil. The oil that comes from this operation is for the sole purpose and use of China and not the USA. The Chinese government is under contract to purchase all the oil that this oil field will produce, which is hundreds of millions of barrels of oil".

We have absolutely no gain from this t***saction whatsoever.
[EET ]Wait it gets more interesting.

Guess who is the largest individual stockholder of this Brazilian Oil Company and who would benefit most from this? It is American Billionaire, George Soros, Liberal businessman who is a radical left wing supporter, finances MoveOn.org <http://moveon.org/> as well as other liberal programs and was President Obamas largest and most generous supporter during his campaign. If you are able to connect the dots and follow the money, you are probably as upset as I am. Not a word of this t***saction was on any of the other news networks.
[/EET]
FULL ANSWER
This claim stems from a "preliminary committment" made back on April 14 by the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. The bank intends to loan up to $2 billion to finance exports to the Brazilian oil company Petróleo Brasileiro S.A., known as Petrobras, over the next several years.

The e-mail is false on two counts.
■The message falsely says the decision was due to an "executive order" by the president. No p**********l order was required. Furthermore, none of President Obamas appointees had joined the Ex-Im board at the time of the v**e, which was unanimous, and bipartisan. The Ex-Im Bank states: "In fact, at the time the Banks Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush."
■The message falsely claims that "we have absolutely no gain" from the loan. In fact, the loan is being made specifically to finance purchase by Petrobras of U.S.-made oilfield equipment and services. The mission of the Ex-Im Bank is to encourage exports by making such loans.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

3jack wrote:

Another right wing bald faced lie: br br Copied f... (show quote)

The claim of Executive Order was not made here.
The export-import back of the US is a US Gov't agency.
You cannot separate the actions of federal agency from the chief executive officer.
http://exim.gov/

While the stated goal is to spur exports of American oil products to Brazil, that hasn't materialized in large numbers as Petrobras is spending this money purchasing equipment made in Brazil (Petrobras is owned by Brazil Gov't). It has provided a brief economic boom to some Brazillian companies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/world/americas/petrobras-brazils-oil-giant-struggles-to-regain-lost-swagger.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

The claim of Executive Order was not made here.
The export-import back of the US is a US Gov't agency.
You cannot separate the actions of federal agency from the chief executive officer.
http://exim.gov/

While the stated goal is to spur exports of American oil products to Brazil, that hasn't materialized in large numbers as Petrobras is spending this money purchasing equipment made in Brazil (Petrobras is owned by Brazil Gov't). It has provided a brief economic boom to some Brazillian companies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/27/world/americas/petrobras-brazils-oil-giant-struggles-to...