New republican plan WORSE than ACA (Page 2): Sorry to see such an ill informed post. Trying to say that Obamacare and Romneycare are closely related is like claiming that a sea gull...

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Retired669 wrote:

If anyone had a brain in the Taliban Bagger Party they should have called their new health care plan what the ACA really is....Romney Care. The low information baggers would be all over it wanting to sign up while denouncing Obama Care at the same damn time. :thumbup:

Sorry to see such an ill informed post. Trying to say that Obamacare and Romneycare are closely related is like claiming that a sea gull and a walrus are alike because they both live in the ocean, eat fish and have similar looking wings or flippers on their sides.

If you want to read a good discussion of the comparison of Obamacare vs. Romneycare, read:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/04/12/how-deval-patrick-gutted-romneycares-market-oriented-reforms/

Homestead

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from the teapartycosnervative republicans, and they produce a plan that is WORSE than the current ACA.

What will the fools at faux and fat limburg have to say about that?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/republican-bill-to-revise-obamacare-would-kick-one-million-off-their-policies-report-shows/

Like ObamaCare is so special.

Drug Rationing for Seniors Begins
http://spectator.org/articles/57905/drug-rationing-seniors-begins

Homestead

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from the teapartycosnervative republicans, and they produce a plan that is WORSE than the current ACA.

What will the fools at faux and fat limburg have to say about that?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/republican-bill-to-revise-obamacare-would-kick-one-million-off-their-policies-report-shows/

Like ObamaCare is so special.

Drug Rationing for Seniors Begins
http://spectator.org/articles/57905/drug-rationing-seniors-begins

Homestead

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from the teapartycosnervative republicans, and they produce a plan that is WORSE than the current ACA.

What will the fools at faux and fat limburg have to say about that?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/republican-bill-to-revise-obamacare-would-kick-one-million-off-their-policies-report-shows/

IRS Warns: Obamacare Tax Must Be Paid with Tax Return
Agency employs Orwellian term Shared Responsibility Payment to describe Obamacare individual mandate tax.

Read more: http://atr.org/irs-warns-obamacare-tax-must-paid-a8164#ixzz2uS9g1yvm

Homestead

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from th... (show quote)

WSJ: Young Buyers Face Sticker Shock on New Insurance Exchanges
http://www.newsmax.com/US/obamacare-young-consumers-premiums/2013/09/25/id/527619?ns_mail_uid=60162640&ns_mail_job=1539082_09252013&promo_code=14FCB-1

Right Wing Obamacare Myths DEBUNKED
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/09/25/right-wing-obamacare-myths-debunked/

Mentally-challenged 24 year old in Oak Lawn denied health care under ACA
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2013/09/mentally-challenged-24-year-old-denied-care-under-aca.html

The New Federal Wedding Tax: How Obamacare Would Dramatically Penalize Marriage
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/01/the-new-federal-wedding-tax-how-obamacare-would-dramatically-penalize-marriage?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline&utm_campaign=saturday131005

Real Life Idiocracy in America - The Obama Effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nhRViM02Mk

Watch Company Employees Learn Of Increased Health Costs Due To Obamacare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4VEhXW4koo&feature=player_embedded

Remember Obama Saying People With Pre-Existing Conditions Shouldn't Pay More? Yeah, Well...
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/02/115318-remember-obama-saying-people-pre-existing-conditions-shouldnt-pay-yeah-well/

PULL OVER "OBAMACARE," YOU ARE UNDER ARREST: Michael Anthony Peroutka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEXW9V_DjvM#t=167

Mans Back Surgery On Hold As Doctors Deny Covered California Coverage
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/mans-back-surgery-on-hold-as-doctors-deny-covered-california-coverage/

Video: ObamaCare enrollee cant get doctor to see her
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/20/video-obamacare-enrollee-cant-get-doctor-to-see-her/

ObamaCare patients with serious pre-existing diseases could face expensive drug costs
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/16/obamacare-patients-with-serious-pre-existing-diseases-could-face-expensive-drug/?intcmp=latestnews

Obamacare makes life-saving medicine unaffordable for cancer patients - See more at: http://americanlibertypac.com/2014/02/obamacare-makes-life-saving-medicine-unaffordable-for-cancer-patients/?utm_campaign=1238193&utm_content=9718353679&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision#sthash.1A0wKjzM.dpuf

Liberty Tree

Trooper745 wrote:

At least the Republicans submitted their ideas to the CBO and are willing to openly discuss it, .... instead of trotting out some stupid, ugly b***h saying that "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it." Damn, how stupid can Democrats be?

Do not worry about it. The Raw Story source he uses is just another bunch of ELWNJ'S. That is all he ever uses so there is no credibility in anything he posts.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Retired669 wrote:

It was modeled after romney care dumbass. Once aga... (show quote)

Why thank you I'll take that as compliment, you finally admitted we do something your unwilling to do "work"

:D

Kevyn

The change to the ACA that would make it better is to change it to a single payer system like Medicare.

BoJester

Agreed, and if the conservatives would have acknowledged that 4 years ago, things would much better.
The "public option" should have approved over the stupid objections of the insurance industry.

Kevyn wrote:

The change to the ACA that would make it better is to change it to a single payer system like Medicare.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

BoJester wrote:

Agreed, and if the conservatives would have acknowledged that 4 years ago, things would much better.
The "public option" should have approved of the stupid objections of the insurance industry.

What single payer advocates are missing is that competition is very effective when it comes to innovation of new technologies increasing the quality of any product being provided as well as almost always increasing productivity.

The question is what is the objective here is it to reduce the cost associated with health care ? If that's the case then we needed to stop catering to ambulance chasers and do some real tort reform. Was it to insure the uninsured ? That was already do able through Medicare, Medicaid and other state run programs.

Serious real question here for any of you ACA advocates.

I have to assume that the primary goal was to insure the uninsured correct?

The original stated objective that they said they needed to make the system viable was 7 million enrolled by April correct? There are what 30 million or so uninsured, how or when did they propose attracting or signing up the other 23 million?

Or am I missing something here?

boofhead

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from the teapartycosnervative republicans, and they produce a plan that is WORSE than the current ACA.

What will the fools at faux and fat limburg have to say about that?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/republican-bill-to-revise-obamacare-would-kick-one-million-off-their-policies-report-shows/

I did not see that in the article you linked. It suggests 1.5 million could lose their coverage, and from what has been published so far, up to 20 million will lose their coverage under the ACA. I would want to see how much the Republican's plan costs the individual and also how much it relies on subsidies before making any statement as to if it is better or worse.

You risk your credibility by jumping to conclusions and even if you were right, your message will be rejected because of this.

Homestead

boofhead wrote:

I did not see that in the article you linked. It ... (show quote)

If your worried about Bojester's credibility, you must be a newcomer?

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Homestead wrote:

If your worried about Bojester's credibility, you must be a newcomer?

Well I see that neither Bo or Kevyn wish to address my question to them.

I doubt very much the ACA was ever really intended to actually insure the 30 million uninsured. There simply has to be more to this than what we have been allowed to see so far.

We have 308 million citizens 30 million uninsured is less than 10% of the population. They call 7 million a success but that only equates to a little over 23% of the uninsured being insured and just a little over 2% of the total population. We just turned a 6th of our economy upside down for 2% of our total number of citizens.

Will some ACA advocate please tell me what the true purpose of implementing such a program was really all about.

CDM Loc: Florida

BoJester wrote:

Imagine that, constant pissing and moaning from the teapartycosnervative republicans, and they produce a plan that is WORSE than the current ACA.

What will the fools at faux and fat limburg have to say about that?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/republican-bill-to-revise-obamacare-would-kick-one-million-off-their-policies-report-shows/

Obama said 'Obama Care will provide immediate access to 30 million Americans who would otherwise not have it'. Where are those 30 million? Shouldn't they all be signed up by now? Shouldn't they have beaten down the doors for their "free" health care? Where are they, in your humble opinion?

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Retired669 wrote:

If anyone had a brain in the Taliban Bagger Party they should have called their new health care plan what the ACA really is....Romney Care. The low information baggers would be all over it wanting to sign up while denouncing Obama Care at the same damn time. :thumbup:

Not likely, as the ACA has adversely effected, to a major degree, the working of the MA Healthcare System.