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Oct 4, 2017 11:25:06   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Fuc$k you AH


turdboy: Get back into the trees where you belong...you have just been F@#$%$!

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Oct 4, 2017 11:28:09   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
permafrost wrote:
damn good post by TD..... He shows he is thinking about the orange man and his agenda..

No one gave any thought to his post, but did toss out some ridicule and light insults..

shows the general caliber or the right wingers..

Nice work TD...
damn good post by TD..... He shows he is thinkin... (show quote)


perm: Your showing your stupidity again! Try working on your sk**l-sets again and locking up your jealously! Your a pro at wasting extreme amounts of energy on your own excrement!

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Oct 4, 2017 11:37:10   #
Bevos
 
tdsrnest wrote:
What meaningful regulations has he cut. Firing everybody in the EPA that had anything to do with C*****e C****e. Firing 12 of the top state department career diplomats at the State Department, fired the 4 career officials that were negotiating with the North Koreans, Allowing internet providers to sell you're information without you're consent. Give me one piece of meaningful regulations that he has cut.

All we do is deal with numbers no substance we have no idea what any of it means but Trump supporters love it. They love a number not the intent of the regulations.

Trump sweeping EO get rid of complicated and unnecessary regulation. No text just get rid of regulations.

Obama attempted in his second State of the union address to require Congress to undertake sweeping regulatory reform and they never did. Now That there's a republican in the White House they are addressing regulatory reform, but they are not doing it thru committee they do it in private and the American people have no idea what there doing. But for 8 years under Obama they refused to address regulatory reform so Obama had no choice but to address it with EO and then the right wing whines. Is that not just a little hypocritical.

But if Congress refused to undertake reform we end up with regulations dating back to Reagan that are still the rule of law so it's not just the left it's also a right wing problem that has created all this massive regulations. Add up all the EO's on regulations put into effect by the last 6 presidents, hundreds are still the rule of law. But the right wing is very good at controlling the narrative and just blame the left for regulations.

I do agree with less regulations smaller smarter government but I have no idea what Trump is cutting except for numbers but how do these numbers effect our country.

The biggest problem I have with Trump supporters is you get wrapped up in number of regulations not the text of the regulations. So how can you have a reasonable Debate as to who benefits from this deregulation and who gets hurt. So let's get some text I am sure there's good deregulation and bad deregulation.

One of my major concerns is his massive cuts to the EPA, his elimination of all scientific data on greenhouse gases compiled over the last 30 years. Given his director of the EPA the authority to eliminate any regulations he sees fit without congressional oversight.

Writing a EO requiring elimination of at least 2 rules for every new regulation giving cabinet heads the aturithy to eliminate rules and regulations that they see as restricting. No data no idea what they are eliminating. By law Congress is the only ones to undertake regulatory reform not a cabinet heads.

Trump writes an EO reorganization no text no recommendation nothing and the EO does nothing except to give cabinet officials the authority to fire career professional other than that the EO means nothing but it's another number but right wingers love numbers.

Trump thru an EO changed Franchising and independent contracting but no text. What does it mean not even identifying the cabinet official that has the authority to eliminate laws.
I always thought Congress makes these laws it's the responsibility of the Executive Branch to enforce these laws not signing an EO to eliminate them. The president has the authority to add but not eliminate laws created by Congress.

Obama wrote EO's adding regulations (Constitutional) Trump is writing EO's to eliminate regulations without identifying what he is eliminating or if they were passed by Congress that's (Un-Constitutional) this country right now has no idea what he is doing.

Trump EO 70% of regulations must go, what regulations is he referring to. It's just a number but Trump supporters just assume that Trump is doing the right thing and have no idea what his cabinet officials are doing. Just get rid of 70%.

Don't get me wrong this country needs sweeping reform of regulations Obama tried but Republican lead Congress refused to address this problem. There are thousands of regulation that are outdated. We need the General Accountability office on duplication and the Congressional committee of Oversight and government reform to address this issue not a cabinet official. Why is Trump not setting up his own advisors and cabinet officials to write a bill of sweeping reform of each agency and send it to Congress. Jared Kushner was suppose to lead this group in the White House but this kid has done nothing but hold the title.

Every incoming president has the authority to write EO's of not changing laws but adding regulations. When a new President comes into office he has the authority to rescind these EO's not changing laws. But having no idea what he is doing I have a problem with that.

I don't agree with EO without congressional approval with a 50% majority v**e and eliminate the ability of Congress to filibuster a Executive order. E******ns have consequences and the president and Congress should have some leeway in EO's.

We have some 40,000 pages of regulations this is absurd. Why not take those pages and extract each regulation and turn it over to the cabinet heads to red line the good and bad regulations along with the negatives and positives of each regulation. Then submit it to senate majority leader and the Leader of the house to turn these regulations over to the committee that is responsible for there specific issues. Hold the committe meetings call in professionals for testimony, and at least attempt to get rid of good and bad regulations. There's positives and negatives to each EO written let's lift the most restrictive EO's let's lift the regulations that are causing the problems for corporate and small business. But let's address the problem by using the Congressional process instead of back room legislation and bring it to a v**e using reconciliation. I could not believe that the ACA repeal was being done by the right wing in a Senate back room without any committee meeting and brought to the floor under reconciliation that is absurd and it sets a bad precedent for for how Congress works. John McCain was absolutely correct with his no v**e he is a man that stood up and had the balls to say a bill that effects so many people should go thru the congressional process with committee meetings proper professional testimony and then bring it to the floor for a v**e. Not a back room deal with 11 republicans writing a law, is not how our government is suppose to work.

But I would be very much interested in you're thoughts. You seem to have a ideological belief that I can respectfully disagree with but I support you're ideology even if I disagree.
What meaningful regulations has he cut. Firing eve... (show quote)


Turn them over to the Cabinet heads to do WHAT??? They have done NOTHING with them so far!!! And John McCain SURE KNOWS about BACK-ROOM deals!! He has made enough of them!!! And MUCH of these Regulations were INSTITUTED by Obama, and you did not seem to object to them THEN!!! But now that Trump is taking them OUT, you have a problem with that!!!

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Oct 4, 2017 13:16:46   #
Theophilus
 
JediKnight wrote:
Don't believe the hype....Trump has done nothing positive at all.


Have another bowl of stupid. You seem to enjoy it so much.

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Oct 4, 2017 13:18:48   #
JediKnight
 
Theophilus wrote:
Have another bowl of stupid. You seem to enjoy it so much.


that's not what your mother tells me

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Oct 4, 2017 13:20:39   #
Theophilus
 
JediKnight wrote:
that's not what your mother tells me


My mother is dead, PUNK! Show some respect, for once in your life.

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Oct 4, 2017 14:47:49   #
JediKnight
 
Theophilus wrote:
My mother is dead, PUNK! Show some respect, for once in your life.


Theophilus: Considering that - you might consider being careful who you choose to call names going forward. Did you not know that respect is earned - not given? Sorry for your loss, and I pray that she is waiting for you with the Lord.

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Oct 4, 2017 14:54:29   #
Theophilus
 
JediKnight wrote:
Theophilus: Considering that - you might consider being careful who you choose to call names going forward. Did you not know that respect is earned - not given? Sorry for your loss, and I pray that she is waiting for you with the Lord.


No idea what you're talking about. I don't make it a habit of calling people names.

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Oct 4, 2017 15:39:24   #
JediKnight
 
Theophilus wrote:
No idea what you're talking about. I don't make it a habit of calling people names.


Here you go: you wrote this: "Have another bowl of stupid. You seem to enjoy it so much." just look at the chain above

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Oct 4, 2017 16:13:56   #
Theophilus
 
JediKnight wrote:
Here you go: you wrote this: "Have another bowl of stupid. You seem to enjoy it so much." just look at the chain above


That's not name calling. It is an accurate description. On this topic at least, you are woefully uninformed. Perhaps stupid was a bit harsh. I should have said ignorant. At least that is curable. Unless it's willful ignorance, which is worse than stupid.

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Oct 4, 2017 16:15:59   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Theophilus wrote:
That's not name calling. It is an accurate description. On this topic at least, you are woefully uninformed. Perhaps stupid was a bit harsh. I should have said ignorant. At least that is curable. Unless it's willful ignorance, which is worse than stupid.


Theophilus: kemmer's disease is terminal!!

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Oct 4, 2017 16:29:50   #
JediKnight
 
Theophilus wrote:
That's not name calling. It is an accurate description. On this topic at least, you are woefully uninformed. Perhaps stupid was a bit harsh. I should have said ignorant. At least that is curable. Unless it's willful ignorance, which is worse than stupid.


So, my original post which stated "don't believe the hype - Trump has done nothing positive" - in your view is "a bowl of stupid?" So be it, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am also entitled to mine. Just remember that 'discussion' is a two-way street........what you send out will often come right back to you. peace.

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Oct 4, 2017 16:38:23   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
JediKnight wrote:
So, my original post which stated "don't believe the hype - Trump has done nothing positive" - in your view is "a bowl of stupid?" So be it, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am also entitled to mine. Just remember that 'discussion' is a two-way street........what you send out will often come right back to you. peace.


jedi: You have it all wrong!...If we wanted your opinion....We would give it to you! Your not ready for the big leagues. Go home and crawl back into your troll hole!

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Oct 4, 2017 16:54:51   #
Theophilus
 
JediKnight wrote:
So, my original post which stated "don't believe the hype - Trump has done nothing positive" - in your view is "a bowl of stupid?" So be it, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am also entitled to mine. Just remember that 'discussion' is a two-way street........what you send out will often come right back to you. peace.


Do you really believe that Trump has accomplished nothing beneficial to America? That's what you said. Isn't it? That's why I called you stupid. Because you ignore the t***h. Several times, people have posted threads about his accomplishments. Perhaps you should take a look at them. You might learn something. Or you can remain stupid. Your choice.

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Oct 4, 2017 18:00:22   #
JediKnight
 
Theophilus wrote:
Do you really believe that Trump has accomplished nothing beneficial to America? That's what you said. Isn't it? That's why I called you stupid. Because you ignore the t***h. Several times, people have posted threads about his accomplishments. Perhaps you should take a look at them. You might learn something. Or you can remain stupid. Your choice.


Oh my friend I have indeed read some of those posts you mention. Like all the jobs he has brought back to America - only thing is no one seems to know just where those jobs are. Or do you mean "the great health care plan that's ready to go on day one?" How about that secret plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days? No, the only things I have seen is more division, more discrimination, and more racial disparity than ever before. If you think those are accomplishments to be proud of, then it is you who are the stupid one my friend.

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