iFrank Loc: San Antonio

Our Father has sent us a letter through the Prophets and Apostles and through our Lord Christ. This letter is the Bible, and Christ said "let no man deceive you". How can a man deceive you, is He talking about the kenites in the positions of scribes, 1 Cron 2:55. Who would tell you to beware on these Biblical truths? Christ has, He has foretold us all thing that we're kept secret before the foundation of the world. This was the first earth age. We only use a fraction of our brain, why? God want to see whether we will follow the world or Him. How are you at following the Bible, do you follow the interpretation from other people and disregard the additional truths. One example is if a person cries out to God in his deathbed is he saved, yes I would say so, but he would have no works, and his robe would not cover much. Does God or the host want to see you half naked body in heaven or would you rather have a flowing robe. Jesus called a person "friend" in the wedding feast but since he didn't have on the wedding attire he was cast into outer darkness. So can you lose your salvation, it appears so. The unpardonable sin is on the saints that don't let the Holy Spirit speak through them, they quench It. Salvation lost. Do you trust Christ Words or do you pick and chose your verses and that's it. Remember your place in heaven is on the line, do you study like a workman to be shown approved by God. Do you have a concordance with a KJV Bible to be able to find the true meaning that God wants you to hear, even I reflect and search my mind to see what else can I research in the Bible. The parable of the talens, Jesus want us to work on being profitable for Him, in Rev 14:13 works follow you to heaven and that what our wedding attire/ robes will be made from. Many people reject that you can lose your salvation, would you thank someone who warned you about the dangers of your salvation, I would. In Christ I trust.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Many of your words and interpretations are not yours, but are of Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chaple. You constantly accuse others of being deceived by the kenites. Who are these kenites and how are they deceiving us? Where does the Bible teach about this other earth Age and who were there ? What are these 'kept secrets before the foundation of the world'? You constantly allude to secrets or truths that only a few know and when questioned you get defensive and refuse to answer. I have no doubt that others would like to know your explanation of the many statements that you make. Many people that read this forum love to learn what others believe and how they back it up with scripture.

If you truly believe and want to share your beliefs, then take the time to explain and use scripture to back up your statements, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. What could be a better advertisement for the Shepherd's Chapel?
God Bless
BJW

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

I'll get back to your questions later, but since you know where I study, why don't you put the effort and study with him also. It takes effort, "work", I'm sorry if I seem elusive, but like I stated before, some are not meant to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Everybody wants to have it handed to them on a silver platter. I'll think about how to explain without letting all the others know the secrets that Christ has revealed to us in His Bible. Just asking you this question, do you know the parable of the fig tree?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Yes, I am familiar with many of his teachings. I spent several months listening to his sermons and I have a book that was written by a friend that I have read most of. I know what he teaches about the key of David and the parable of the fig tree and I totally do not agree. I have studied the Bible many years, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. IMO Mr. Murray added his opinion to scriptures and relied on other sources to teach his beliefs that just isn't in the Bible.......such as his insistence that one must know the 3 heaven and earth ages and the off-spring of Cain ( son of Satan) living today, this will be the only way that we will not be fooled when the Anti-Christ shows up. He teaches that Job 38:7 is a reference to the first earth age and that we were all in angelic bodies at that time. That is an opinion not scriptural. My biggest problem was his animosity against all who believed in the rapture. He taught that if you believed this that the Anti-Christ would automatically deceive you and you would go to Hell! That would make Salvation mute and The power of Jesus less than the ol' devil himself!!!! All of this is my opinion and my belief. My point is that you created a thread to make a statement of your beliefs. I think that you should be prepared to explain and discuss them and not to act like it is a mysterious secret meant only for 'the chosen'! Just because I am not a believer doesn't mean that others aren't interested in knowing more about the Shepherd's Chapel and your beliefs. God bless. BJW

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

In Jer. 4:23-27 this is the first heaven age, because we were coming down to earth from heaven and were doing sin, Lucifer was sitting on the mercy seat and erasing what was wrong in Gods eyes. Thats why He shook the earth. Kenites are the offspring of Cain, he committed the first murder, like Christ said in the Gospels. And you say that you are not a believer, that speaks volumes. As for the "others" they can study for themselves because like you said, I made a statement, its for their edification, not for questions that should be answered be their own spiritual leaders, in other words their church's are dead according to what Christ said. Besides Pastor Murray is only relying on the scripture words etymology, to look up the scripture Word on the concordance to its root meaning. Do you know about the Massorah, it means from Gods mind to yours. The Hebrew Bible has two fences of meanings that lock Gods Word so they won't loose their meaning. If you read today's translations and then look at the concordance and correct any word meaning, you will have a breath of truth that will encourage you to read deeper.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

Many of my words are not mine? I studied with him and learned how to verify for myself the truth of the Word in the Bible, the knowledge that God,Christ and the Holy Spirit imparted to me are seared into my heart and mind. Now you say I'm parroting his words, these are my Word as I look them up in the concordance down to the root meaning and made sure I wasn't leading people astray. Jer. 5:21 hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes and see not, which have ears, and hear not. Zech 2:7 Deliver ( rescue) thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughters of babylon. Jer 6:10, Eze12:1-3, Hosea 4:6, Gal 6:4-5 .. let every person prove their own work, and then they will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every person shall bear their own burden. Kenites, in Numbers 24:19-24. Jer 24:1, Judges 9:8-15 the bramble are the kenites.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

This is a note on the Massorah.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

I have that Companion Bible that my church brought back into print. It has many appendixes and is very good at giving me more knowledge that some times I can handle. So don't forget the concordance.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Thank you for your reply! I think I saw the Massorah in the book I spoke of, I will go look I up. I'm a member of a Baptist Church and I will die a baptist. Being in a denomination doesn't define me, being a believer of Jesus Christ does! I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, born of a virgin named Mary, died on a cross for our sins, buried and on the 3rd day arose , walked among his brethren for 40 days and then arose to the heavens to sit on the right side of GOD. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior, repented of my sins, baptized and the Holy Spirit now resides with me forevermore, and absolutely nothing can take me from my beloved Savior Jesus Christ.
I understand that you believe Cain is the child of Satan, but I don't understand what you do with Gen 4:1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying " I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord." That verse is always completely ignored with this teaching.

Hope you have a wonderful evening..... it's a beautiful day here in central Texas!!!! 🌞🌞🌞🌞

Maranatha!!!!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Thank you!

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

You have to go with the concordance, beguiled is wholly seduced, there is a fact of being paternal twins. From different fathers, Jesus said he was the first murderer. If you look at the genealogy of Adam, Cain is not in it, because Adam isn't his dad, the tree that was in that garden was satan. You're welcome and it is a wonderful day.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I checked out the Massorah!!! "Real scholar's utilize the Massorah to double check anything there might be least amount of doubt about." I am not a scholar! I only have a high school education, even tho I finished with all A's except in math a B!!!! If a person is not knowledgeable in Hebrew and other Jewish teachings or extremely intelligent, I don't think that it would be very helpful. IMO A person can be easily lead astray by another if they're not very careful. I find it best for me to stick to the Bible and other books for their history content that I understand.

Cain not being in the genealogy of Adam is a 'trick' statement! Neither is Able mentioned! The Genesis 5 chronology of Adam's descendants, not including Cain or Able, is repeated several times in Scripture. The purpose of these chronologies is to show Adam as the legally ancestor of Jesus Christ through Seth. Abel was killed and Cain and his descendants were all eliminated by the time of Noah's flood, so there was no reason to mention further.

Ok, ya got me on that "the tree in the garden was Satan?" I've never heard Murray say that or have I read it! Please explain it! Who or what was the serpent if not Satan?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

I don't have a clue what's going on and I'm sure it's none of my business! I enjoyed our conversation and I'm sorry we won't be able to finish it. Hope you have a wonderful afternoon. God Bless!