Fellow Liberals: When Does A******n Stop Being A Right? Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a woman should have the right to choose whether to abort her unborn infant or...

Chameleon12

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a woman should have the right to choose whether to abort her unborn infant or not. They say this because they know that it can be hard raising an unexpected child. They believe that every woman in America should have that choice. But, what happens when a******n becomes the only choice? Some would say that would never happen in the US but, for New York City's black women, it already has.

New York City has the highest a******n rate in the country. In 2012 alone, more black infants were aborted in New York City than were born. In 2013, the CDC reported that NYC had a 60% a******n for every 100 births. 36 percent of those a******ns are African American. The other 64% is comprised of a dozen other ethnicities. That's three times the national average! That alone is shocking enough but, the rest of the statistics make those numbers seem like the tip of the iceberg. Only 13.3% of the entire population is African American!

Why are so many of NYC's black mothers aborting their babies?! Two of the biggest answers is poverty and the tragic dissolution of the black family. When more black mothers would rather abort than raise a child in NYC, there's a serious problem. They increasingly see raising a child there as impossible. If the state went through and k**led more than 50% of all babies of a single ethnicity, the U.N. would declare it genocide. This is self genocide, and it happened once before in Hispaniola. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, there were as many as 1 million Taino Indians living there. The Spanish ens***ed them and forced them to harsh labor and enforced poverty under the ecomienda system. Shortly after their ens***ement, the Tainos stopped having babies. By 1519, there were only 9,500 Tainos left on the island. This isn't what's happening with the black mothers of NYC but, the poverty of both groups is similar.

Being Pro-choice means that you support both choices but, there has to be two viable choices in order to be pro-choice. Otherwise, it's just pro-a******n. We need to make sure that the black mothers of New York City have two viable choices. No population would voluntary eliminate more than 50% of their own. a 50%+ black a******n rate sounds like an extreme right r****t fairy tale. That it's occurring in New York City is atrocious.

No liberal should be supporting such a high ethnic a******n rate. The fact that this issue has been largely ignored by the media is precisely because, NYC is a Democratically run city but, if liberals won't address the issue first, Republicans will, and if they take the reigns on this, there's no telling where they'll go with it. We need to provide the solution first and quickly. When does a******n stop being a right? When it's the only viable option.

vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

Chameleon12 wrote:

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a woman should have the right to choose whether to abort her unborn infant or not. They say this because they know that it can be hard raising an unexpected child. They believe that every woman in America should have that choice. But, what happens when a******n becomes the only choice? Some would say that would never happen in the US but, for New York City's black women, it already has.

New York City has the highest a******n rate in the country. In 2012 alone, more black infants were aborted in New York City than were born. In 2013, the CDC reported that NYC had a 60% a******n for every 100 births. 36 percent of those a******ns are African American. The other 64% is comprised of a dozen other ethnicities. That's three times the national average! That alone is shocking enough but, the rest of the statistics make those numbers seem like the tip of the iceberg. Only 13.3% of the entire population is African American!

Why are so many of NYC's black mothers aborting their babies?! Two of the biggest answers is poverty and the tragic dissolution of the black family. When more black mothers would rather abort than raise a child in NYC, there's a serious problem. They increasingly see raising a child there as impossible. If the state went through and k**led more than 50% of all babies of a single ethnicity, the U.N. would declare it genocide. This is self genocide, and it happened once before in Hispaniola. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, there were as many as 1 million Taino Indians living there. The Spanish ens***ed them and forced them to harsh labor and enforced poverty under the ecomienda system. Shortly after their ens***ement, the Tainos stopped having babies. By 1519, there were only 9,500 Tainos left on the island. This isn't what's happening with the black mothers of NYC but, the poverty of both groups is similar.

Being Pro-choice means that you support both choices but, there has to be two viable choices in order to be pro-choice. Otherwise, it's just pro-a******n. We need to make sure that the black mothers of New York City have two viable choices. No population would voluntary eliminate more than 50% of their own. a 50%+ black a******n rate sounds like an extreme right r****t fairy tale. That it's occurring in New York City is atrocious.

No liberal should be supporting such a high ethnic a******n rate. The fact that this issue has been largely ignored by the media is precisely because, NYC is a Democratically run city but, if liberals won't address the issue first, Republicans will, and if they take the reigns on this, there's no telling where they'll go with it. We need to provide the solution first and quickly. When does a******n stop being a right? When it's the only viable option.

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Margaret Sanger (a registered Democrat) would be so proud of those statistics.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Chameleon12 wrote:

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a woman should have the right to choose whether to abort her unborn infant or not. They say this because they know that it can be hard raising an unexpected child. They believe that every woman in America should have that choice. But, what happens when a******n becomes the only choice? Some would say that would never happen in the US but, for New York City's black women, it already has.

New York City has the highest a******n rate in the country. In 2012 alone, more black infants were aborted in New York City than were born. In 2013, the CDC reported that NYC had a 60% a******n for every 100 births. 36 percent of those a******ns are African American. The other 64% is comprised of a dozen other ethnicities. That's three times the national average! That alone is shocking enough but, the rest of the statistics make those numbers seem like the tip of the iceberg. Only 13.3% of the entire population is African American!

Why are so many of NYC's black mothers aborting their babies?! Two of the biggest answers is poverty and the tragic dissolution of the black family. When more black mothers would rather abort than raise a child in NYC, there's a serious problem. They increasingly see raising a child there as impossible. If the state went through and k**led more than 50% of all babies of a single ethnicity, the U.N. would declare it genocide. This is self genocide, and it happened once before in Hispaniola. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, there were as many as 1 million Taino Indians living there. The Spanish ens***ed them and forced them to harsh labor and enforced poverty under the ecomienda system. Shortly after their ens***ement, the Tainos stopped having babies. By 1519, there were only 9,500 Tainos left on the island. This isn't what's happening with the black mothers of NYC but, the poverty of both groups is similar.

Being Pro-choice means that you support both choices but, there has to be two viable choices in order to be pro-choice. Otherwise, it's just pro-a******n. We need to make sure that the black mothers of New York City have two viable choices. No population would voluntary eliminate more than 50% of their own. a 50%+ black a******n rate sounds like an extreme right r****t fairy tale. That it's occurring in New York City is atrocious.

No liberal should be supporting such a high ethnic a******n rate. The fact that this issue has been largely ignored by the media is precisely because, NYC is a Democratically run city but, if liberals won't address the issue first, Republicans will, and if they take the reigns on this, there's no telling where they'll go with it. We need to provide the solution first and quickly. When does a******n stop being a right? When it's the only viable option.

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a ... (show quote)

- I was unable to find your statistics from searching the CDC Website. Could you provide the report please?

- I cannot speak for all liberals, and neither can you. So I wonder what is the basis of your statement
"They say this because they know that it can be hard raising an unexpected child."

- Most liberals that I know favor the right to choose because women deserve the right to control what happens to their own bodies, not because "It can be hard raising an unexpected child"

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

Problem is there is more than one body involved.
It is still taking a life.

PaulPisces wrote:

- I was unable to find your statistics from search... (show quote)

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

PaulPisces wrote:

- I was unable to find your statistics from searching the CDC Website. Could you provide the report please?

Table From NY.gov 2013
https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2013/table19.htm

PeterS

Chameleon12 wrote:

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a woman should have the right to choose whether to abort her unborn infant or not. They say this because they know that it can be hard raising an unexpected child. They believe that every woman in America should have that choice. But, what happens when a******n becomes the only choice? Some would say that would never happen in the US but, for New York City's black women, it already has.

New York City has the highest a******n rate in the country. In 2012 alone, more black infants were aborted in New York City than were born. In 2013, the CDC reported that NYC had a 60% a******n for every 100 births. 36 percent of those a******ns are African American. The other 64% is comprised of a dozen other ethnicities. That's three times the national average! That alone is shocking enough but, the rest of the statistics make those numbers seem like the tip of the iceberg. Only 13.3% of the entire population is African American!

Why are so many of NYC's black mothers aborting their babies?! Two of the biggest answers is poverty and the tragic dissolution of the black family. When more black mothers would rather abort than raise a child in NYC, there's a serious problem. They increasingly see raising a child there as impossible. If the state went through and k**led more than 50% of all babies of a single ethnicity, the U.N. would declare it genocide. This is self genocide, and it happened once before in Hispaniola. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, there were as many as 1 million Taino Indians living there. The Spanish ens***ed them and forced them to harsh labor and enforced poverty under the ecomienda system. Shortly after their ens***ement, the Tainos stopped having babies. By 1519, there were only 9,500 Tainos left on the island. This isn't what's happening with the black mothers of NYC but, the poverty of both groups is similar.

Being Pro-choice means that you support both choices but, there has to be two viable choices in order to be pro-choice. Otherwise, it's just pro-a******n. We need to make sure that the black mothers of New York City have two viable choices. No population would voluntary eliminate more than 50% of their own. a 50%+ black a******n rate sounds like an extreme right r****t fairy tale. That it's occurring in New York City is atrocious.

No liberal should be supporting such a high ethnic a******n rate. The fact that this issue has been largely ignored by the media is precisely because, NYC is a Democratically run city but, if liberals won't address the issue first, Republicans will, and if they take the reigns on this, there's no telling where they'll go with it. We need to provide the solution first and quickly. When does a******n stop being a right? When it's the only viable option.

Most liberals say they are pro-choice. They say a ... (show quote)

So what's your proposal--forcing b****s to carry to term their fetuses? How are you going to go about doing that?

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

PeterS wrote:

So what's your proposal--forcing b****s to carry to term their fetuses? How are you going to go about doing that?

From The Article:

Quote:

if liberals won't address the issue first, Republicans will, and if they take the reigns on this, there's no telling where they'll go with it.

Personally
I Don't See Republicans Taking The Reigns On What They're Supposed To Be Doing Already

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

karpenter wrote:

Table From NY.gov 2013
https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2013/table19.htm

Thank you for sharing the statistics from NY State, Karpenter.
Since Chameleon indicated their statistics came form the CDC, that was where I was searching (and could not find them).

Note that Chameleon quotes statistics for NYC, whereas the table you shared is for NY State.
Since the statistics quoted in the NY State files make no mention of # of births or pregnancies, it does not support Chameleon's claim regarding the number of a******ns per 100 births.

I'm all for looking at issues through statistics, but Chameleon's callouts remain unsupported.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

PaulPisces wrote:

Thank you for sharing the statistics from NY State... (show quote)

Actually, That's Just The A******n Chart
The Other Charts Turn Up
'No Longer Avaliable' Or '404 Error'

If You Accept Politifact As A Source
Here's An Analysis With A Lot Of Dead Links To The Stats When They Were Avaliable:

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/nov/25/cynthia-meyer/cynthia-meyer-says-more-black-babies-are-aborted-n/

So, Over All There Were More Black A******ns Than Live Births

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

karpenter wrote:

Actually, That's Just The A******n Chart
The Other Charts Turn Up
'No Longer Avaliable' Or '404 Error'

If You Accept Politifact As A Source
Here's An Analysis With A Lot Of Dead Links To The Stats When They Were Avaliable:

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/nov/25/cynthia-meyer/cynthia-meyer-says-more-black-babies-are-aborted-n/

So, Over All There Were More Black A******ns Than Live Births

Thanks for sharing the Politifact article.
I generally do feel they are a valid source, so I have to accept that the statistics are probably correct, even though we are all unable to independently verify them.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

PaulPisces wrote:

- I was unable to find your statistics from search... (show quote)

It is also the right of women to stop playing around with out using protection, which not cost as much as an a******n. That is, if they had to pay for that a******n themselves and not the taxpayers.

Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ

PeterS wrote:

So what's your proposal--forcing b****s to carry to term their fetuses? How are you going to go about doing that?

All they have to do is use protection, or just forgo having sex, which costs pennies to the cost of an a******n.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Louie27 wrote:

It is also the right of women to stop playing around with out using protection, which not cost as much as an a******n. That is, if they had to pay for that a******n themselves and not the taxpayers.

Hmmm. So the women must be the ones responsible? Why does this task not fall to men?

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

Does the man have a say in the a******n of his child?

The other scenario, man doesn't want child, but must pay support.

The woman has a choice but not the man!

Some will be pissed.

PaulPisces wrote:

Hmmm. So the women must be the ones responsible? Why does this task not fall to men?

bilordinary Loc: SW Washington

The responsibility falls on both partners, that should be obvious.

PaulPisces wrote:

Hmmm. So the women must be the ones responsible? Why does this task not fall to men?