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Sep 26, 2017 18:58:49   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
And why are we in the position of confronting nuclear war? Because presidents before Trump dropped the ball. The last eight years saw the emboldening of rogue nations, and more terrorist groups such as ISIS then ever before because obama for lack of a better definition is an anti American pussy. The tax bill is closer than you think. I might not have the percentage right on i******s. I heard 60% on the radio but just saw border patrol report saying it has been reduced by 53%.
PaulPisces wrote:
I'd love to know where you are getting your information, JF.
- There is not even the framework for a tax reform bill, so there is nothing he is "getting ready to sign"
- Considering the Republican controlled congress has been unable to dismantle the ACA in 7 years and over 50 attempts, I am starting to doubt this Congress can pass anything more challenging than the salt shaker
- The President's earlier travel ban (many parts of which have been found to be unconstitutional) has expired. So of course he has issued a new one. We shall see where this one goes.
- Please advise the source of your 60% drop in i*****l i*********n.
- The "calling out our enemies" has brought us to the brink of a nuclear disaster. Not something for which sane people give high marks.
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Sep 26, 2017 19:55:27   #
Sassy Lass
 
Yes, and we will in the same boat with Iran in a few years due to stupid Democrat policies!

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Sep 26, 2017 20:52:43   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
And why are we in the position of confronting nuclear war? Because presidents before Trump dropped the ball. The last eight years saw the emboldening of rogue nations, and more terrorist groups such as ISIS then ever before because obama for lack of a better definition is an anti American pussy. The tax bill is closer than you think. I might not have the percentage right on i******s. I heard 60% on the radio but just saw border patrol report saying it has been reduced by 53%.


You are certainly welcome to your opinion, and of course I will fight for your right to express it.
But you cannot back up any of your statements with any intelligent analysis.

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Sep 26, 2017 21:02:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Well actually it's what's happened. ISIS formed and expanded under Obama. Here's just one http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump

PaulPisces wrote:
You are certainly welcome to your opinion, and of course I will fight for your right to express it.
But you cannot back up any of your statements with any intelligent analysis.

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Sep 27, 2017 12:43:43   #
boatbob2
 
Heck,I wouldnt care,IF,the NFL,and NBA,all just went away........and stayed away.......

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Sep 27, 2017 13:53:19   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
JFlorio wrote:
Well actually it's what's happened. ISIS formed and expanded under Obama. Here's just one http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/4/illegal-immigration-down-67-percent-under-trump


ISIS did not form under Obama. It is generally considered to be a result of the disastrous invasion of Iraq under the Bush2 administrattion:

http://theweek.com/articles/589924/brief-history-isis

"ISIS was born out of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. When U.S. administrators, under Paul Bremer, decided to "de-Baathify" the Iraqi civil and military services, hundreds of thousands of Sunnis formerly loyal to Saddam Hussein were left without a job — and they were mad."

U.S. policy under the Obama administration in fact set the stage for the destruction of ISIS, and made headway in reducing ISIS' footprint in the region. Did they eradicate ISIS? No. Could it have been a better strategy? Hindsight is always 20/20. One could just as easily argue that the strategy of the Obama administration methodically worked to contain the de-stabilizing forces of ISIS from becoming an even greater threat than they are today.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-us-policy-isis

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Sep 27, 2017 14:48:01   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
ISIS was nothing until the Arab Spring. You wingers can spin this anyway you want. Remember President lead from behind saying ISIS was the JV team? Obama was a weak economic president. He was a weak foreign policy president, and he was a weak supporter of America first. You may be O.K. with that. I'm not.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/isis-surprise-obama/index.html

By the way, you were right on the tax signing thing. I only caught a sound bite where Trump said he was ready to sign a tax bill. He's ready but seems congress isn't.



PaulPisces wrote:
ISIS did not form under Obama. It is generally considered to be a result of the disastrous invasion of Iraq under the Bush2 administrattion:

http://theweek.com/articles/589924/brief-history-isis

"ISIS was born out of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. When U.S. administrators, under Paul Bremer, decided to "de-Baathify" the Iraqi civil and military services, hundreds of thousands of Sunnis formerly loyal to Saddam Hussein were left without a job — and they were mad."

U.S. policy under the Obama administration in fact set the stage for the destruction of ISIS, and made headway in reducing ISIS' footprint in the region. Did they eradicate ISIS? No. Could it have been a better strategy? Hindsight is always 20/20. One could just as easily argue that the strategy of the Obama administration methodically worked to contain the de-stabilizing forces of ISIS from becoming an even greater threat than they are today.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-us-policy-isis
ISIS did not form under Obama. It is generally co... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2017 15:57:03   #
Noraa Loc: Kansas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'd love to know where you are getting your information, JF.
- There is not even the framework for a tax reform bill, so there is nothing he is "getting ready to sign"
- Considering the Republican controlled congress has been unable to dismantle the ACA in 7 years and over 50 attempts, I am starting to doubt this Congress can pass anything more challenging than the salt shaker
- The President's earlier travel ban (many parts of which have been found to be unconstitutional) has expired. So of course he has issued a new one. We shall see where this one goes.
- Please advise the source of your 60% drop in i*****l i*********n.
- The "calling out our enemies" has brought us to the brink of a nuclear disaster. Not something for which sane people give high marks.
I'd love to know where you are getting your inform... (show quote)


Would you please stick to the topic of this discussion.

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Sep 27, 2017 16:00:36   #
Noraa Loc: Kansas
 
Kevyn wrote:
of course you do, it bugs the hell out of you that's why you are posting this crap. This protest has gotten under your skin which is exactly its purpose.


No, I don't give a damn what they think. This protest has gotten under my skin because they are disrespecting the f**g and thus the United States. They are a million ways to protest other than disrespecting the country that gave them the freedom to play ball and become rich.

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Sep 27, 2017 17:05:55   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Noraa wrote:
No, I don't give a damn what they think. This protest has gotten under my skin because they are disrespecting the f**g and thus the United States. They are a million ways to protest other than disrespecting the country that gave them the freedom to play ball and become rich.



On the other hand, had the President kept his mouth shut in Alabama, they protesters would not have gotten nearly the play they do.

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Sep 27, 2017 18:59:37   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Noraa wrote:
Would you please stick to the topic of this discussion.


My apologies for the diversion, but I felt compelled to respond to JFlorio's incorrect statements.

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Sep 27, 2017 19:17:59   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Noraa wrote:
No, I don't give a damn what they think. This protest has gotten under my skin because they are disrespecting the f**g and thus the United States. They are a million ways to protest other than disrespecting the country that gave them the freedom to play ball and become rich.


From everything the various people taking the knee have said, I believe this has nothing to do with disrespecting the f**g.
Some have indeed been very clear that the country has lost their respect from its inability to root out the institutional r****m that persists in our culture.

As to the rules concerning respect for our f**g, they are broken more times a day than can be counted, yet no one seems to be terribly concerned about these t***sgressions, which specifically break the rules of the f**g code (which by the way says nothing about kneeling, one way or the other.)

http://globalnews.ca/news/3766753/american-f**g-rules-broken/

As to the country having given them the freedom to play ball and become rich, your very comment smacks of r****m.
Our founders made clear in the very first sentence of The Constitution that the right to freedom comes not from governments, but from our creator.


"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them..."

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Sep 27, 2017 19:29:30   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Noraa wrote:
No, I don't give a damn what they think. This protest has gotten under my skin because they are disrespecting the f**g and thus the United States. They are a million ways to protest other than disrespecting the country that gave them the freedom to play ball and become rich.


And then, out of the mouths of children:



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Sep 27, 2017 19:32:07   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Noraa wrote:
No, I don't give a damn what they think. This protest has gotten under my skin because they are disrespecting the f**g and thus the United States. They are a million ways to protest other than disrespecting the country that gave them the freedom to play ball and become rich.


And then there is this more adult take on what does and does not seem to be acceptable forms of protest, per the man in the White House (with thanks to Samantha Bee for compiling the list)



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Sep 27, 2017 19:46:38   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
PaulPisces wrote:
And then, out of the mouths of children:


In the same spirit:

Taking a knee is a show of respect. Here is a short, quick list of examples:

People get on their knees to pray.
People get on at least one knee to make a marriage proposal.
People get on their knees to apologize.
People get on their knees to say vows.
Players take a knee when another player is injured.
Nearly everyone crawls before they walk.
People get on their knees to take oaths.
When God brings you to your knees." - Genesis 42:1-38

I am sure there are many other examples.

There is a message in the actions of the NFL players. We should seek to understand what it is, and take solidarity with them as we see fit. Wh**ever is causing them to take these actions is NOT going away, it is only going to grow. So, we as a country must address these issues, and correct them.

If you like this short article, please upv**e, comment, follow, and re-STEEM. Thank you.

http://steemit.com/nfl/@iamai/take-a-knee-as-show-of-respect

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