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Does Science Need Falsifiability?
Sep 21, 2017 17:32:23   #
Mr Bombastic
 
If a theory doesn’t make a testable prediction, it isn’t science.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2015/02/falsifiability/

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Sep 21, 2017 23:49:05   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
I v**e for falsifiability as a tool to be used in the process of examining a proposed theory, but only as a tool, not necessarily a theory-k**ler. If you cannot yet figure out how to bring a theory into the testability domain, the lack of F-Testability is cautionary, but merely that. If you can perform an F-Test, you have a more confident idea of the worth of the theory.
Interesting that Tegmark was mentioned. I have been plowing through his book now and then, but he is not an easy read for me!

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Sep 21, 2017 23:52:21   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Manning345 wrote:
I v**e for falsifiability as a tool to be used in the process of examining a proposed theory, but only as a tool, not necessarily a theory-k**ler. If you cannot yet figure out how to bring a theory into the testability domain, the lack of F-Testability is cautionary, but merely that. If you can perform an F-Test, you have a more confident idea of the worth of the theory.
Interesting that Tegmark was mentioned. I have been plowing through his book now and then, but he is not an easy read for me!
I v**e for falsifiability as a tool to be used in ... (show quote)


But several scientists want to do away with falsifiability altogether. That's just not right. It would relegate science to "Because I said so."

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Sep 21, 2017 23:53:48   #
Mr Bombastic
 
Manning345 wrote:
I v**e for falsifiability as a tool to be used in the process of examining a proposed theory, but only as a tool, not necessarily a theory-k**ler. If you cannot yet figure out how to bring a theory into the testability domain, the lack of F-Testability is cautionary, but merely that. If you can perform an F-Test, you have a more confident idea of the worth of the theory.
Interesting that Tegmark was mentioned. I have been plowing through his book now and then, but he is not an easy read for me!
I v**e for falsifiability as a tool to be used in ... (show quote)


There is also the fact that a theory must be falsifiable through observation or experimentation. Without that, is it truly science?

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Sep 23, 2017 23:28:10   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
There is also the fact that a theory must be falsifiable through observation or experimentation. Without that, is it truly science?


Theories are formed through observation and contemplation, I believe, before any thought of experimentation or falsifiability, and the act of formation is of a scientific nature, and the emerging theory seems to have explanatory value. Einstein was a theoretical physicist, and he proposed theories that were not tested or falsified for some time (I do not remember whether he proposed possible tests or others did), but I would credit his formations as being scientific. For a theory to be fully accepted, however, it must meet the tests of repeatability and falsifiability. Einstein's were accepted.

So, I agree with you that falsifiability should remain as a necessary criterion for full acceptance.

When a scientist is contemplating a new theory is he doing science or not? I say yes.
On the other hand, if a proposed theory fails the tests, is the scientist doing science? I say yes here also, but the theory is given a decent burial.

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