No, I am still here. I decided to try a different church this Sunday and was surprised the Rapture was part of their beliefs. I had thought this myth had been totally eradicapted from the Christian community, given all the recent and excellent exegesis on the subject. The temptation was to immediately leave in protest but I wanted to hear where the pastor was going on this topic. Typical conclusion that is breed by this dangerous belief: escape this sinful plane for home in heaven. And God said of creation, "This is good." Yet the Rapture apostasy encapsulates it isn't. Talk to any Christian who believes this nonsense and you will soon see exposed the Gnostic undercarriage of physical=bad/spiritual=good. A direct variance from the Bible. In effect, belief in the Rapture promotes antimonianism, what Paul preached against in Romans13.

In 1800 years of Church history there is not a single peep about the concept of the Rapture. Not any of the Church founders. Not Augustine or Thomas Aquinas, the greatest theologians. Not a single Christian in 1800 years mentions the preposterous Rapture until.... John Nelson Darby, a Freemason and follower of the Cabala (a Jewish work of mysticism and sorcery and spells), discovers it. Isn't what is written in Scripture to be plain? 1800 hundred years and this was somehow overlooked? Luther never saw it, and he seems to have a keen eye. And for four hundred years after him this remained a secret. Don't you find that strange?

John 17:15 ...'I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'

Matthew 13:24-30 ...'Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; [NO] lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.' Not seven or three and half years before, or even a week or a few days, but exactly at harvest time for both. (The Rapture is not The Harvest: the harvest is the end of the world, not seven or three and a half years before it.)

John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'

John 11:24 ...'Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'

John 12:48 ...'He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.'

Matthew 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

In Matthew24:20, "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left," the one taken is k**led and the one left gets to live out his life on earth. Same with Luke17:36.

I have no desire to intrude on your thoughts and musings about Christian church beliefs. But, I do need to correct you on one thing.
The Cabala is not Jewish, it is Christian and has no semblance to our Kabbalah. We, the Jewish community do not believe that we will be "taken up" or somehow "saved" by magic. It is also a fact that the Christian mysticism predate Darby by some thousand years and probably was a mixture of pagan beliefs mixed with equal parts the teachings of Saul which gave birth to Paulism Christianity. The purpose of the Christian Cabala was invented as a tool to use against Jews to force their conversion starting with Llull, who was not himself a Kabbalist nor was he versed in the Kabbalah. What you are seeing is the Cabala based on Pico della Mirandola, Johann Reuchlin, and Paolo Ricco.

If you have an interest in finding out more about the Kabbalah, let me know. I assure you that it is not flying around in the clouds with G*d escaping the problems of the end times. In fact, the word itself only means received wisdom. You may also encounter Jews that use the term Torat ha-Sod, and that only means the teaching of the secret. I do not use that term, many people would misunderstand and think that the Jew has some big secret that they keep for themselves... but actually it means the opposite, we were selected to teach the world the "secret" that there is only one G*d, our creator.

No, I am still here. I decided to try a different church this Sunday and was surprised the Rapture was part of their beliefs. I had thought this myth had been totally eradicated from the Christian community, given all the recent and excellent exegesis on the subject. The temptation was to immediately leave in protest but I wanted to hear where the pastor was going on this topic. Typical conclusion that is breed by this dangerous belief: escape this sinful plane for home in heaven. And God said of creation, "This is good." Yet the Rapture apostasy encapsulates it isn't. Talk to any Christian who believes this nonsense and you will soon see exposed the Gnostic undercarriage of physical=bad/spiritual=good. A direct variance from the Bible. In effect, belief in the Rapture promotes antimonianism, what Paul preached against in Romans13.

In 1800 years of Church history there is not a single peep about the concept of the Rapture. Not any of the Church founders. Not Augustine or Thomas Aquinas, the greatest theologians. Not a single Christian in 1800 years mentions the preposterous Rapture until.... John Nelson Darby, a Freemason and follower of the Cabala (a Jewish work of mysticism and sorcery and spells), discovers it. Isn't what is written in Scripture to be plain? 1800 hundred years and this was somehow overlooked? Luther never saw it, and he seems to have a keen eye. And for four hundred years after him this remained a secret. Don't you find that strange?

John 17:15 ...'I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.'

Matthew 13:24-30 ...'Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; [NO] lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.' Not seven or three and half years before, or even a week or a few days, but exactly at harvest time for both. (The Rapture is not The Harvest: the harvest is the end of the world, not seven or three and a half years before it.)

John 6:40 ...'And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.'

John 11:24 ...'Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.'

John 12:48 ...'He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.'

Matthew 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

In Matthew24:20, "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left," the one taken is k**led and the one left gets to live out his life on earth. Same with Luke17:36.

I have no desire to intrude on your thoughts and musings about Christian church beliefs. But, I do need to correct you on one thing.
The Cabala is not Jewish, it is Christian and has no semblance to our Kabbalah. We, the Jewish community do not believe that we will be "taken up" or somehow "saved" by magic. It is also a fact that the Christian mysticism predate Darby by some thousand years and probably was a mixture of pagan beliefs mixed with equal parts the teachings of Saul which gave birth to Paulism Christianity. The purpose of the Christian Cabala was invented as a tool to use against Jews to force their conversion starting with Llull, who was not himself a Kabbalist nor was he versed in the Kabbalah. What you are seeing is the Cabala based on Pico della Mirandola, Johann Reuchlin, and Paolo Ricco.

If you have an interest in finding out more about the Kabbalah, let me know. I assure you that it is not flying around in the clouds with G*d escaping the problems of the end times. In fact, the word itself only means received wisdom. You may also encounter Jews that use the term Torat ha-Sod, and that only means the teaching of the secret. I do not use that term, many people would misunderstand and think that the Jew has some big secret that they keep for themselves... but actually it means the opposite, we were selected to teach the world the "secret" that there is only one G*d, our creator.

It is not a Catholic belief. You will find it more in the Baptist faith. It is, according to those church leaders, a 'snatching up of the church' at the end of days. The notion is part of their understanding of scripture in the Christian Testament, or as commonly referenced New Testament and is
found primarily in Pauline text: 1 Thessalonian 4:13–18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50–54. The primes is G*d or Jesus will resurrect the dead who were "good" or holy and those alive who are also "good" or holy and remove them from the troubles of the end days... they will be spared and they will be t***sformed. I am not sure if this means they will be spirits or godlike creatures, the scripture is not clear even when I read it in the original text of Greek.

There is an interesting book on the rapture called "Three Views on the Rapture" by Gleason L. Archer, Jr. If you have an interest.

Nice copy from Wikipedia..... but, wikipedia is wrong. When you research an item, I strongly encourage you to go to more than one place for your information. Try to find an expert in the field... and when you research religion, it would help you to find a site that is written to their membership. Try to keep in mind that wikipedia is not written by experts in the field and are for the most part just ordinary people without any specialized training or at times knowledge of the subject matter.

I take it that you have no interest in my offer. Well... good luck in your search for a church that will conform to your needs or meet your standards.