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Chuck Todd: NRA 'Probably Going to Win' Gun Control Fight
Apr 3, 2013 09:49:44   #
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/04/02/Chuck-Todd-NRA-Probably-Going-to-Win-Gun-Control-Fight

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Apr 3, 2013 12:16:04   #
Poco624
 
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. Since Obama started taxing the rich I am sure the NRA members will be paying taxes toward this fisaco. I believe all of the taxes Obama got was $600 billion. That is not enough to cover gun violence, $100 billion for unplanned pregnancies, infrastructure, food stamps for Walmart employees, Medicaid for Walmart employees and anything else you need taxes for.

Each injury caused by a firearm sets in motion a series of events. There's a car-ride to the emergency room - or morgue. An officer investigates. A jury perhaps deliberates. A judge presides.

This chain adds up to the sum of $564 per American. Firearm injuries cost the US more than $174 billion in 2010. Fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion.

How Guns and Violence Cost Every American $564 in 2010
http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2013/01/14/how-guns-and-violence-cost-every-american-564-in-2010/

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Apr 3, 2013 14:51:43   #
WhoIsJohnGalt
 
Poco624 wrote:
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. Since Obama started taxing the rich I am sure the NRA members will be paying taxes toward this fisaco.

According to the Wikipedia:

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The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is an American nonprofit organization founded in 1871 that promotes the right of citizens to bear arms, as well as police training, firearm safety, marksmanship, hunting and self-defense training in the United States. The NRA is designated by the IRS as a 501(c)(3) organization and its lobbying branch is a 501(c)(4) organization.


Poco624 wrote:
I believe all of the taxes Obama got was $600 billion. That is not enough to cover gun violence, $100 billion for unplanned pregnancies, infrastructure, food stamps for Walmart employees, Medicaid for Walmart employees and anything else you need taxes for.


President Obama got far more than he needed to take care of things, not that taxation has that much to do with gun control or the lack of same.

Poco624 wrote:
Each injury caused by a firearm sets in motion a series of events. There's a car-ride to the emergency room - or morgue. An officer investigates. A jury perhaps deliberates. A judge presides.

This chain adds up to the sum of $564 per American. Firearm injuries cost the US more than $174 billion in 2010. Fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion...


Unable to make sense of the figures presented in that article, I looked up the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation. Here is what it says about itself on its own website.

Quote:
Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation (PIRE) is one of the nation's preeminent independent, nonprofit organizations focusing on individual and social problems associated with the use of alcohol and other drugs. PIRE is dedicated to merging scientific knowledge and proven practice to create solutions that improve the health, safety, and well-being of individuals, communities, nations and the world. The Institute has a significant national presence in the area of prevention, with funded research projects at its ten research centers located around the country.

PIRE was founded in the early 1970s when a group of allied scientists were among the first to recognize the dangers inherent in the emergence of widespread drug use. The Institute developed and disseminated some of the earliest prevention strategies. Since then, PIRE has broadened its scope to encompass many of the most serious threats to human health and safety.
Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation (PIR... (show quote)


Down in the body of the article it says that $93 million was spent on suicides during 2010. $72 million on homicides. That is a total of $165 million, not billion or anywhere near the figure that was discussed in the opening paragraph of the article. Further, it says that each homicide costs our government some $582,000.00, so I cannot see how it got to the $174 billion figure from this data. Did the author of the study apply a two orders of magnitude adjustment for the horror of it all or what?

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Apr 3, 2013 23:44:12   #
Poco624
 
We are still paying taxes for the $3 trillion Iraq War and the war we are still fighting, the Afganistan War. And now it looks like we are trying to prevent a war with North Korea since we sent a missle defense system to Guam.

See your taxes at work.
Us Troops Stand 'Poised to Respond' at North Korea Border

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2hXCjAMGdk




You just looked at what I said we were paying taxes for and not anything else. 57% of our budget goes to Defense.

This chain adds up. To the sum of $564 per American. All told, firearm injuries cost the United States more than $174 billion in 2010, according to new data from the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation. Most of that expense came from deaths; fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion.

Shootings Costing US $174 billion Show Burden of Gun Violence

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/shootings-costing-u-s-174-billion-show-burden-of-gun-violence.html

Fatalities from gun violence will surpass deaths from car accidents by 2015. By 2015 the estimated fatalities from gun violence will be 32,000, from car accidents 27,000.

Gun Deaths Cost US Billions Each Year While Firearms Makers Thrive

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/guns-deaths-sandy-hook-shooting_n_2325706.html

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Apr 4, 2013 00:42:19   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Poco624 wrote:
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. Since Obama started taxing the rich I am sure the NRA members will be paying taxes toward this fisaco. I believe all of the taxes Obama got was $600 billion. That is not enough to cover gun violence, $100 billion for unplanned pregnancies, infrastructure, food stamps for Walmart employees, Medicaid for Walmart employees and anything else you need taxes for.

Each injury caused by a firearm sets in motion a series of events. There's a car-ride to the emergency room - or morgue. An officer investigates. A jury perhaps deliberates. A judge presides.

This chain adds up to the sum of $564 per American. Firearm injuries cost the US more than $174 billion in 2010. Fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion.

How Guns and Violence Cost Every American $564 in 2010
http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2013/01/14/how-guns-and-violence-cost-every-american-564-in-2010/
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. S... (show quote)


It seems to me that the people who did this figuring weren't counting all Americans but maybe just a certain number of us. When I used the number 315 million of us I found the number was a bit closer to $1 trillion than they said. I guess they must have been using the kind of math that progressives have been teaching kids for years.

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Apr 4, 2013 00:44:42   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Poco624 wrote:
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. Since Obama started taxing the rich I am sure the NRA members will be paying taxes toward this fisaco. I believe all of the taxes Obama got was $600 billion. That is not enough to cover gun violence, $100 billion for unplanned pregnancies, infrastructure, food stamps for Walmart employees, Medicaid for Walmart employees and anything else you need taxes for.

Each injury caused by a firearm sets in motion a series of events. There's a car-ride to the emergency room - or morgue. An officer investigates. A jury perhaps deliberates. A judge presides.

This chain adds up to the sum of $564 per American. Firearm injuries cost the US more than $174 billion in 2010. Fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion.

How Guns and Violence Cost Every American $564 in 2010
http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2013/01/14/how-guns-and-violence-cost-every-american-564-in-2010/
I hope the NRA pays taxes, I doubt that they do. S... (show quote)


It seems to me that the people who did this figuring weren't counting all Americans but maybe just a certain number of us. When I used the number 315 million of us I found the number was a bit closer to $1 trillion than they said. I guess they must have been using the kind of math that progressives have been teaching kids for years.

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Apr 4, 2013 00:57:12   #
Poco624
 
Poco624 wrote:
We are still paying taxes for the $3 trillion Iraq War and the war we are still fighting, the Afganistan War. And now it looks like we are trying to prevent a war with North Korea since we sent a missle defense system to Guam.

See your taxes at work. I think you will see more than $600 billion in this news report.
Us Troops Stand 'Poised to Respond' at North Korea Border

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/u-s-troops-stand-poised-to-respond-at-north-korea-border/

You just looked at what I said we were paying taxes for and not anything else.

This chain adds up. To the sum of $564 per American. All told, firearm injuries cost the United States more than $174 billion in 2010, according to new data from the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation. Most of that expense came from deaths; fatalities accounted for $153.3 billion.

Shootings Costing US $174 billion Show Burden of Gun Violence

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-21/shootings-costing-u-s-174-billion-show-burden-of-gun-violence.html

Fatalities from gun violence will surpass deaths from car accidents by 2015. By 2015 the estimated fatalities from gun violence will be 32,000, from car accidents 27,000.

Gun Deaths Cost US Billions Each Year While Firearms Makers Thrive

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/guns-deaths-sandy-hook-shooting_n_2325706.html
We are still paying taxes for the $3 trillion Iraq... (show quote)

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Apr 4, 2013 07:05:58   #
Poco624
 
Roy, I guess the conservatives way of teaching is failing so you have to blame it on the progressives.

Teaching conservative propaganda is the Republicans badge of honor.

When you can't win, you indoctrinate. You teach kids to be dazed and confused so they will v**e Republican when they become adults.

11 Most Absurb Lies Conservatives Are Using to Brainwash American's School Kids
http://www.alternet.org/education/11-most-absurd-lies-conservatives-are-using-brainwash-americas-school-kids

To make things worst, many of these attempts to rewrite school cirriculum are happening in Texas.

How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/?pagination=false

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