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Feb 17, 2014 10:03:26   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I
work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens
to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month.
That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.

Don't believe me?

Just go to https://www.coveredca.com/
ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned
above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare
onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just
426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of i*****l a***ns, and to serve this
group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up
an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere,
Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and
Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if
you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on
crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up
in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of
which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native
language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance.
The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735
births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the
hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last
employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4
per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the
kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out
of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even
if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium
policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to
get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to
buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same
thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer.
$48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just
the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who
can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will v**e for anyone but the political party that
provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power
base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I v**e for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4
a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to
pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per
year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies
will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and
particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing
you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them
will v**e Republican.

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Feb 17, 2014 11:16:26   #
Comment Loc: California
 
cold iron wrote:
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I
work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens
to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month.
That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.

Don't believe me?

Just go to https://www.coveredca.com/
ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned
above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare
onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just
426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of i*****l a***ns, and to serve this
group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up
an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere,
Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and
Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if
you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on
crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up
in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of
which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native
language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance.
The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735
births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the
hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last
employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4
per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the
kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out
of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even
if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium
policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to
get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to
buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same
thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer.
$48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just
the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who
can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will v**e for anyone but the political party that
provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power
base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I v**e for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4
a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to
pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per
year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies
will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and
particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing
you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them
will v**e Republican.
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make bet... (show quote)

That's true. The RINO's caved in to the social democratic club for the past 50 yrs and now we have a one party system.

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Feb 17, 2014 11:19:18   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Billhuggins wrote:
That's true. The RINO's caved in to the social democratic club for the past 50 yrs and now we have a one party system.


RINOs were just thinking far enough ahead to the next e******n. Since they were the go along boys they would surely be re-elected and they were, time after term.

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Feb 17, 2014 13:58:59   #
JimMe
 
cold iron wrote:
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I
work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens
to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month.
That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.

Don't believe me?

Just go to https://www.coveredca.com/
ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned
above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare
onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just
426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of i*****l a***ns, and to serve this
group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up
an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere,
Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and
Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if
you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on
crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up
in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of
which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native
language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance.
The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735
births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the
hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last
employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4
per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the
kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out
of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even
if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium
policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to
get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to
buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same
thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer.
$48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just
the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who
can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will v**e for anyone but the political party that
provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power
base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I v**e for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4
a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to
pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per
year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies
will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and
particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing
you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them
will v**e Republican.
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make bet... (show quote)


True Truer Truest

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Feb 18, 2014 13:21:44   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
cold iron wrote:
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make between $60,000 and $125,000 per year, depending on how hard I
work and whether or not there are work projects out there for me.

My girlfriend is 61 and makes about $18,000 per year, working as a part-time mail clerk.

For me, making $60,000 a year, under ObamaCare, the cheapest, lowest grade policy I can buy, which also happens
to impose a $5,000 deductible, costs $482 per month.

For my girlfriend, the same exact policy, same deductible, costs $1 per month.
That's right, $1 per month. I'm not making this up.

Don't believe me?

Just go to https://www.coveredca.com/
ObamaCare website for California and enter the parameters I've mentioned
above and see for yourself. By the way, my zip code is 93940. You'll need to enter that.

So OK, clearly ObamaCare is a scheme that involves putting the cost burden of healthcare
onto the middle and upper-income wage earners. But there's a lot more to it. Stick with me.

And before I make my next points, I'd like you to think about something:

I live in Monterey County, in Central California. We have a large land mass but just
426,000 residents - about the population of Colorado Springs or the city of Omaha.

But we do have a large Hispanic population, including a large number of i*****l a***ns, and to serve this
group we have Natividad Medical Center, a massive, Federally subsidized county medical complex that takes up
an area about one-third the size of the Chrysler Corporation automobile assembly plant in Belvedere,
Illinois (see Google Earth View). Natividad has state-of-the-art operating rooms, Computed Tomography and
Magnetic Resonance Imaging, fully equipped, 24 hour emergency room, and much more. If you have no insurance, if
you've been in a drive-by shooting or have overdosed on
crack cocaine, this is where you go. And it's essentially free, because almost everyone who ends up
in the ER is uninsured.

Last year, 2,735 babies were born at Natividad. 32% of these were born to out-of-wedlock teenage mothers, 93% of
which were Hispanic. Less than 20% could demonstrate proof of citizenship, and 71% listed their native
language as Spanish. Of these 876 births, only 40 were covered under [any kind of] private health insurance.
The taxpayers paid for the other 836. And in case you were wondering about the entire population - all 2,735
births - less than 24% involved insured coverage or even partial payment on behalf of the patient to the
hospital in exchange for services. Keep this in mind as we move forward.

Now consider this:

If I want to upgrade my policy to a low-deductible premium policy, such as what I had with my last
employer, my cost is $886 per month. But my girlfriend can upgrade her policy to the very same level, for just $4
per month. That's right, $4 per month. $48 per year for a zero-deductible, premium healthcare policy - the
kind of thing you get when you work at IBM (except of course, IBM employees pay an average of $170 per month out
of pocket for their coverage).

I mean, it's bad enough that I will be forced to subsidize the Obama Care scheme in the first place. But even
if I agreed with the basic scheme, which of course I do not, I would never agree to subsidize premium
policies. If I have to pay $482 a month for a budget policy, I sure as hell do not want the guy I'm subsidizing to
get a better policy, for less that 1% of what I have to fork out each month for a low-end policy.

Why must I pay $482 per month for something the other guy gets for a dollar? And why should the other guy get to
buy an $886 policy for $4 a month? Think about this: I have to pay $10,632 a year for the same
thing that the other guy can get for $48. $10,000 of net income is 60 days of full time work as an engineer.
$48 is something I could pay for collecting aluminum cans and plastic bottles, one day a month.

Are you with me on this? Are you starting to get an idea what ObamaCare is really about?

ObamaCare is not about dealing with inequities in the healthcare system. That's just
the cover story. The real story is that it is a massive, political power grab. Do you think anyone who
can insure himself with a premium policy for $4 a month will v**e for anyone but the political party that
provides him such a deal? ObamaCare is about enabling, subsidizing, and expanding the Left's political power
base, at taxpayer expense. Why would I v**e for anyone but a Democrat if I can have babies for $4
a month? For that matter, why would I go to college or strive for a better job or income if it means I have to
pay real money for healthcare coverage? Heck, why study engineering when I can be a schlub for $20K per
year and buy a new F-150 with all the money I'm saving?

And think about those $4-a-month babies - think in terms of propagation models. Think of just how many babies
will be born to irresponsible, under-educated mothers. Will we get a new crop of brain surgeons and
particle physicists from the dollar baby club, or will we need more cops, criminal courts and prisons? One thing
you can be certain of: At $4 a month, they'll multiply, and multiply, and multiply. And not one of them
will v**e Republican.
I'm a 54 year old consulting engineer and make bet... (show quote)


Pretend.......Pretend you are a bit older, to the next rate change and your pretend girlfriend is a year younger. Do the math and see what you get.

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