How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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I've been thinking about the same thing.. it's too odd ...
You make a sound argument. Your post makes sense to me.
Makes as much sense as anything I've heard.
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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Well muslins were the first pirates....just sayin...
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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I dont remember where I read it,But,The article said,the US Navy ship lost steering.
Lpnmajor, completely agree. To top it off China controls all of our fighting equipment due to manufacturing ALL of the electronics. Next we will see our fighter jets falling from the skies. We're in dead serious trouble here and it's not going to get better.
Justsss wrote:
Lpnmajor, completely agree. To top it off China controls all of our fighting equipment due to manufacturing ALL of the electronics. Next we will see our fighter jets falling from the skies. We're in dead serious trouble here and it's not going to get better.
I'm only a woman who can't even swim, but I can think and reason. It seemed to me there was too much coincidence involved here. Kept wondering when someone would say something. Your explanation seemed very sound. I'm sure you'll appreciate that. LOL!
byronglimish wrote:
I've been thinking about the same thing.. it's too odd ...
Noted a report where they are considering possible computers on board being hacked
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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Hmmm. Good post. A thorough investigation is warranted.
Carol Kelly, never underestimate your abilities. I bet if it was sink or swim you'd learn right now. Thanks for the comeback on my thoughts. I'm so sad for America because we've all been sold down the river including these gullible college age youth. Theirs isn't a very bright near future and it's not because of President Trump.
The tanker was Libyan. I am thinking terrorists . From the hole I saw in the John McCain , looks like the McCain was hardly moving.
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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You make some very valid points Major. I was beginning to wonder about this too. 4 since Jan? There is definitely something going on here.....
lpnmajor wrote:
How many years has the US Navy sailed the seas of the South Pacific, 100, 150, 200? In how many of those years have there been accidents? To be sure, there are almost always incidents at sea where Sailors are injured or even k**led, but there is rarely a spate of such catastrophic incidents as has been seen THIS year......in the same geographic location.
For a Naval vessel to be hit by another ship while underway, several things must happen at once, or rather, not happen. Navigation radar turned off or range improperly set, bridge crew asleep or goofing off, Deck watch asleep or goofing off, and CIC shut down, watch asleep or goofing off. That's a hell of a lot of coordinated screwing up, don't you think? What warship in the Fleet allows a massive ship to sneak up on it? I could envision maybe a single ship crewed entirely with screw-ups, but even that stretches my imagination, since subpar Officers are not given command of multibillion dollar hardware.
How much effort does it take to get out of the way of a large object that is moving towards you at a slow speed? The Naval vessels involved are capable of speeds many times higher than the fastest civilian tanker or freighter, so it would take a monumental series of f&ckups by multiple people for a collision to happen. I just find it hard to believe that we're suffering a massive outbreak of poor Seamanship all of a sudden, in the same general area, so .....let me post this theory:
Perhaps there's been a Bounty placed on US Naval vessels sailing on those seas. How much would it take to convince a low paid 3nd Mate on a crappy civilian vessel, to ram his ship into another ship, $10,000, $100,000 maybe $1,000,000? I seem to recall another super power is contesting right of passage in this area. It's name begins with a "C" and ends in an "A" with a "H, I, and N" in between. What better way to attack the US Navy and get away with it, than to use civilian vessels and make the attacks appear to be accidents? China, or any other Nation, knows that to use offensive military weapons against an US vessel would be an act of war, and no doubt result in the loss of expensive assets to boot, so a few million bucks thrown around is a damn good investment.
Sure, this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory, and I'm the first to admit it, however, I cannot reconcile the facts ( as we know them ) with what I know about the Navy and the crews that man her Ships. I watched an Aircraft Carrier get stuck on a mud bar while attempting to get into port, an embarrassing incident for the Navy and a career ending screw-up for her Skipper - who decided to sail his ship himself, instead of allowing the Harbor Pilot to do so, which was against Naval regulations. I know that there are monumental screw-ups that happen, but only rarely, even more rarely in the same are - and never in a series. There are other ways for a nation to attack another nation without firing a shot. How much money do you suppose China has spent conscripting US citizens in it's industrial espionage efforts?
A ship who's engines are at idle does not come up to speed quickly, even turbine powered ships, as that's a lot of mass to get moving. What bridge officer would think that the approaching ship intends to ram him...........until it's too late to get out of the way? The photo's of the ships I've seen, clearly show that they were hit amidships nearly broadside, with little of the sheering one would expect to see if both vessels had been underway at any appreciable speed. That tells me that the Naval vessels were nearly dead in the water when they were hit, the naval vessels did NOT hit the other ships.............they just didn't get out of the way. That sounds more like intent to ram, rather than incompetence.
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