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Feb 11, 2014 13:51:07   #
Retired669
 
bmac32 wrote:
I don't care for West but he is far from an i***t.

Sent packing, you can't read or are you one of those who make things up?

West was charged with violating Articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[17] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[16] Lieutenant Colonel West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would act differently under similar circumstances, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[17] At his hearing, West said that there were no ambushes against American forces in Taji until he was relieved of his leadership post a month later.[17] After West's retirement he received more than 2,000 letters and e-mails offering him moral support.[16] A letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army.[16]
Post-military career (2004–2007)
I don't care for West but he is far from an i***t.... (show quote)




I wonder how many others were glad to see his ass go that you would never hear about? I'll bet way more than supported him...As far as 95 signing a letter what about the rest in congress that didn't?...That speaks for it self what the rest thought about him...He's a big mouth con that was sent packing by his own actions in the military and by the v**ers.

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Feb 11, 2014 14:26:10   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Yep yer right but the program had changes, like we don't need to track weapons.

By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
September 5, 2011
© 2011 NewsWithViews.com

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) yesterday announced the "personnel changes" for three officials involved in the law enforcement snafu known as "Operation Fast and Furious." However, many observers believe the three officials are merely scapegoats being sacrificed to protect the more powerful in the U.S. capital.

The Department of Justice personnel changes impacted Arizona's U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Acting Director Kenneth Melson, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley.

The DOJ announced that acting ATF director Kenneth Melson, who began his agency leadership in 2009, was being replaced and t***sferred to the Office of Legal Policy. The ATF announcement coincided with a DOJ announcement that the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke, was resigning. Burke oversaw the legal aspects of the Fast and Furious operation, providing advice to the law enforcement agents involved. Meanwhile, Hurley resigned from his post.

“In my opinion, Melson and Burke weren’t fired because if they were unemployed or disgraced they’d be more likely to cooperate with investigators still probing one of the worst law enforcement scandals in recent history,” said former police officer Edie Aquino from New York.

While Issa is garnering praise for these personnel changes, observers in law enforcement and government believe the men involved are being scapegoated and "taking the heat for higher-ups" such as Attorney General Eric Holder and his senior staff members. Both President Barack Obama and Attorney General Holder have said they did not approve the operation, but have declined to comment further, citing an independent investigation by DOJ’s inspector general.

However, Congressman Issa pledged Tuesday to continue his investigation until a full picture of the operation and its authorizers is painted.


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"While the reckless disregard for safety that took place in Operation Fast and Furious certainly merits changes within the Department of Justice, the Oversight and Government Reform Committee will continue its investigation to ensure that blame isn't offloaded on just a few individuals for a matter that involved much higher levels of the Justice Department," Issa said in a press statement.

"There are still many questions to be answered about what happened in Operation Fast and Furious and who else bears responsibility, but these changes are warranted and offer an opportunity for the Justice Department to explain the role other officials and offices played in the infamous efforts to allow weapons to flow to Mexican drug cartels." Issa said.

"I also remain very concerned by Acting Director Melson's statement that the Department of Justice is managing its response in a manner intended to protect its political appointees. Senator Grassley and I will continue to press the Department of Justice for answers in order to ensure that a reckless effort like Fast and Furious does not take place again," he added.

Tuesday’s announcement proved many of Issa's suspicions, but he expressed concern that Melson and Burke not be made fallguys for others in DOJ -- or even the White House -- who may be responsible for the ill-fated operation that allegedly contributed to the k*****g of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Also on Tuesday, DOJ announced the appointment of U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota B. Todd Jones to serve as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)

"As a seasoned prosecutor and former military judge advocate, U.S. Attorney Jones is a demonstrated leader who brings a wealth of experience to this position," said Attorney General Eric Holder. "I have great confidence that he will be a strong and steady influence guiding ATF in fulfilling its mission of combating violent crime by enforcing federal criminal laws and regulations in the firearms and explosives industries."

Operation Fast and Furious: An Ill-Conceived Fiasco

Operation Fast and Furious was initiated in 2009 to sell weapons to known and suspected straw purchasers for Mexican drug cartels with the goal of tracking the guns and dismantling the gun trafficking routes.

But agents claim they were sometimes told to abandon surveillance of the weapons, allowing firearms --and the buyers -- to disappear, according to testimony from numerous agents before the House. The only remaining hope for agents to track the guns was if other agencies found them at a murder scene or during a drug raid and identified them by the serial numbers on the guns.

Officials linked two weapons found at the Arizona murder scene last December of Agent Brian Terry. According to testimony, the ATF agents were -- and still are -- terrified that some of the thousands of guns that remain at large will be used to k**l more innocent people.

In addition, the Mexican police investigators who probed the k*****g of U.S. Immigration and Customs Agent Jaime Zapata, who was assassinated by members of the Los Zetas drug cartel attack in Mexico, believe one of the Fast and Furious guns was used in that attack.

Yet, with such a deadly scandal no one in either the Democrat or Republican Parties are calling for a special prosecutor to investigate this case of politics trumping public safety, said another former cop.

"Most of the mainstream media are yawning over this serious scandal. It's certainly more serious than the Valerie Plame investigation that was a farce from the very beginning. Yet, the media hammered President Bush and his underlings on a daily basis. No one died in that scandal. People did die in Operation Fast and Furious. Yet no one mentions Obama's or Holder's names," stated former intelligence officer and police commander Sid Franes.

© 2011 NWV - All Rights Reserved



Greg Brady wrote:
Fast & Furious was a Republican program started by George Bush!.... funny how Cons don't seem to know that.

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Feb 11, 2014 14:28:41   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Stupid ass, a black speaks out against another black and he's nothing more than a citizen but you put a label on them.



Greg Brady wrote:
Good man?.... is that code for "Good Uncle Tom"?

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Feb 11, 2014 14:29:41   #
Retired669
 
bmac32 wrote:
Yep yer right but the program had changes, like we don't need to track weapons.

By NWV News writer Jim Kouri
Posted 1:00 AM Eastern
September 5, 2011
© 2011 NewsWithViews.com

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) yesterday announced the "personnel changes" for three officials involved in the law enforcement snafu known as "Operation Fast and Furious." However, many observers believe the three officials are merely scapegoats being sacrificed to protect the more powerful in the U.S. capital.

The Department of Justice personnel changes impacted Arizona's U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Acting Director Kenneth Melson, and Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley.

The DOJ announced that acting ATF director Kenneth Melson, who began his agency leadership in 2009, was being replaced and t***sferred to the Office of Legal Policy. The ATF announcement coincided with a DOJ announcement that the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke, was resigning. Burke oversaw the legal aspects of the Fast and Furious operation, providing advice to the law enforcement agents involved. Meanwhile, Hurley resigned from his post.

“In my opinion, Melson and Burke weren’t fired because if they were unemployed or disgraced they’d be more likely to cooperate with investigators still probing one of the worst law enforcement scandals in recent history,” said former police officer Edie Aquino from New York.

While Issa is garnering praise for these personnel changes, observers in law enforcement and government believe the men involved are being scapegoated and "taking the heat for higher-ups" such as Attorney General Eric Holder and his senior staff members. Both President Barack Obama and Attorney General Holder have said they did not approve the operation, but have declined to comment further, citing an independent investigation by DOJ’s inspector general.

However, Congressman Issa pledged Tuesday to continue his investigation until a full picture of the operation and its authorizers is painted.


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"While the reckless disregard for safety that took place in Operation Fast and Furious certainly merits changes within the Department of Justice, the Oversight and Government Reform Committee will continue its investigation to ensure that blame isn't offloaded on just a few individuals for a matter that involved much higher levels of the Justice Department," Issa said in a press statement.

"There are still many questions to be answered about what happened in Operation Fast and Furious and who else bears responsibility, but these changes are warranted and offer an opportunity for the Justice Department to explain the role other officials and offices played in the infamous efforts to allow weapons to flow to Mexican drug cartels." Issa said.

"I also remain very concerned by Acting Director Melson's statement that the Department of Justice is managing its response in a manner intended to protect its political appointees. Senator Grassley and I will continue to press the Department of Justice for answers in order to ensure that a reckless effort like Fast and Furious does not take place again," he added.

Tuesday’s announcement proved many of Issa's suspicions, but he expressed concern that Melson and Burke not be made fallguys for others in DOJ -- or even the White House -- who may be responsible for the ill-fated operation that allegedly contributed to the k*****g of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Also on Tuesday, DOJ announced the appointment of U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota B. Todd Jones to serve as Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)

"As a seasoned prosecutor and former military judge advocate, U.S. Attorney Jones is a demonstrated leader who brings a wealth of experience to this position," said Attorney General Eric Holder. "I have great confidence that he will be a strong and steady influence guiding ATF in fulfilling its mission of combating violent crime by enforcing federal criminal laws and regulations in the firearms and explosives industries."

Operation Fast and Furious: An Ill-Conceived Fiasco

Operation Fast and Furious was initiated in 2009 to sell weapons to known and suspected straw purchasers for Mexican drug cartels with the goal of tracking the guns and dismantling the gun trafficking routes.

But agents claim they were sometimes told to abandon surveillance of the weapons, allowing firearms --and the buyers -- to disappear, according to testimony from numerous agents before the House. The only remaining hope for agents to track the guns was if other agencies found them at a murder scene or during a drug raid and identified them by the serial numbers on the guns.

Officials linked two weapons found at the Arizona murder scene last December of Agent Brian Terry. According to testimony, the ATF agents were -- and still are -- terrified that some of the thousands of guns that remain at large will be used to k**l more innocent people.

In addition, the Mexican police investigators who probed the k*****g of U.S. Immigration and Customs Agent Jaime Zapata, who was assassinated by members of the Los Zetas drug cartel attack in Mexico, believe one of the Fast and Furious guns was used in that attack.

Yet, with such a deadly scandal no one in either the Democrat or Republican Parties are calling for a special prosecutor to investigate this case of politics trumping public safety, said another former cop.

"Most of the mainstream media are yawning over this serious scandal. It's certainly more serious than the Valerie Plame investigation that was a farce from the very beginning. Yet, the media hammered President Bush and his underlings on a daily basis. No one died in that scandal. People did die in Operation Fast and Furious. Yet no one mentions Obama's or Holder's names," stated former intelligence officer and police commander Sid Franes.

© 2011 NWV - All Rights Reserved
Yep yer right but the program had changes, like we... (show quote)





Another C&P article 2 1/2 years old?....Surely ISSA has another made up scandal to keep him busy buy now....Oh yeah....Beeeeeeenghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiii.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW....Have you cons seen the latest about B******i? :thumbup: You ain't gonna like it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Feb 11, 2014 14:38:20   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
At the rate the democrats change the story one needs to remember, sorta like Obama's 27 changes to the health law.


Retired669 wrote:
Another C&P article 2 1/2 years old?....Surely ISSA has another made up scandal to keep him busy buy now....Oh yeah....Beeeeeeenghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiii.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW....Have you cons seen the latest about B******i? :thumbup: You ain't gonna like it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Feb 11, 2014 14:41:51   #
Retired669
 
bmac32 wrote:
At the rate the democrats change the story one needs to remember, sorta like Obama's 27 changes to the health law.




Can't you find more articles up to date that you can post here? :mrgreen:

Most of you cons can't remember what happened 5 minutes ago much less 2 1/2 years ago... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Feb 11, 2014 14:55:44   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
The House Foreign Affairs Committee issued a report Friday saying Secretary of State John Kerry and his predecessor, Hillary Rodham Clinton, failed to hold anyone accountable for flawed decisions about security in B******i.

And "talking points" linking the Sept. 11, 2012, attack that k**led four Americans to a protest that never happened showed leadership at State was more worried about its reputation than establishing facts and accountability, according to the report.

The report looked at the State Department assigned accountability after the terrorist attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility in B******i, which resulted in the deaths of then-U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, State Department employee Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

It compared State response to how the military assigned accountability in incidents that resulted in American deaths.

The attack happened less than two months before President Obama ran for ree******n. Republicans such as Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah have charged that State and the White House downplayed security concerns in Libya because they sought to portray the U.S. role in liberating that country from a tyrant as a success and terrorism as a diminishing threat.

Among other findings in the 25-page report written by staff members of the committee's Republican majority:

_ Despite the increasingly dangerous environment in Libya in 2012, State Department officials in Washington denied requests for additional security from its officials in Libya. Instead they insisted on an aggressive draw down of security while the CIA increased security at its facilities in B******i, according to the 25-page report.

_ No one was fired for the security breach. Four State Department employees that were cited for their role in the security decisions were suspended with pay and reassigned to new positions at State. Two of them later retired voluntarily, and not as the result of disciplinary action.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said she disagrees with the report's findings, and that the Accountability Review Board assigned by then-Secretary of State Clinton did not support the finding of the Republican-led House committee.

"There was a thorough investigation, including interviews with more than a 100 people, and thousands of documents were reviewed," Psaki said. "We're focused on continuing to implementing the recommendations of the ARB report."

The House report said the ARB report was "seriously deficient" because of its failure to scrutinize the actions of State's most senior officials, including Clinton.

In comparison, the House committee pointed out that Gen. James Amos, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, dismissed two senior generals after the failed to take "adequate force protection measures" prior to a Taliban attack on Camp Bastion in Afghanistan.

That attack, which like the attack on B******i also happened in September 2012, k**led two Marines, wounded eight people and destroyed six AV-9B Harrier jets, in the largest single loss of allied material in the 12-year Afghanistan war, the report said.

"This loss of life due to a failure to provide adequate security was strikingly reminiscent of the circumstances surrounding the B******i attacks," the report said, yet the standard of accountability between State and the military were very different, it said.

The report described the interagency process that produced the talking points used by U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice in Sunday talk shows after the attack to illustrate State's concern about its reputation.

Rice insisted in the talk shows that while extremists might have been involved in the attack, it grew out of a protest to an anti-Islam video. But the protest never happened. Clinton also repeated the false story.

The talking points were edited through a series of emails between various officials at State, the White House, CIA and Directorate of National Intelligence. Former State spokeperson Victoria Nuland objected to any mention of the many CIA warnings about the deteriorating security environment in B******i because they could be used 'to beat the State Department for not paying attention to agency warnings," the report found, quoting Nuland.

Eventually, the document was refined to the point that it contained no mention of the CIA's advance warnings about the dangers in B******i.

When then-CIA Director David Petraeus was informed of how the report had been edited to remove CIA findings of a terrorist presence in eastern Libya, he said, "Frankly I'd just as soon not use this then …" according to the committee.

But the document was used as a basis for Rice to claim that the attack was not done by terrorists. President Obama also refused to describe it as a terror attack. The White House eventually acknowledged the attack was the work of Islamic terrorists and said the CIA was the one that suggested it may not have been.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/07/house-b******i-report-raps-state-on-accountability/5289865/


Retired669 wrote:
Can't you find more articles up to date that you can post here? :mrgreen:

Most of you cons can't remember what happened 5 minutes ago much less 2 1/2 years ago... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Feb 11, 2014 16:32:56   #
emerson1248 Loc: Minnesota
 
Holder should not only be fired, he should be sitting on death row for all the murders he is indirectly responsible for. Why no one is pushing for this has me stumped. The only thing I can come up with is that our congress is in on it with them...

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Feb 12, 2014 06:31:24   #
JJR56 Loc: New Hampshire
 
Retired669, you're a typical hard left winger. You use all those laughing smileys and stuff. If we were to talk in person, you're the kind of liberal that knows everything and won't let the other person get a word in. I have nothing to say to you. I won't/can't have a conversation with a person like you.

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Feb 12, 2014 06:46:42   #
82nd medic
 
Yeah, and George Bush was really responsible for 911. Right.

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Feb 12, 2014 14:40:03   #
Greg Brady Loc: Phoenix
 
bmac32 wrote:
Stupid ass, a black speaks out against another black and he's nothing more than a citizen but you put a label on them.


Hey, I didn't call him that, they did, look it up, that's what they call him...

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Feb 12, 2014 15:01:48   #
Retired669
 
JJR56 wrote:
Retired669, you're a typical hard left winger. You use all those laughing smileys and stuff. If we were to talk in person, you're the kind of liberal that knows everything and won't let the other person get a word in. I have nothing to say to you. I won't/can't have a conversation with a person like you.



Breaks my f**king heart. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :thumbup:

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Feb 12, 2014 18:19:58   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
They?


Greg Brady wrote:
Hey, I didn't call him that, they did, look it up, that's what they call him...

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Feb 13, 2014 13:20:42   #
Greg Brady Loc: Phoenix
 
bmac32 wrote:
They?


OH MY God!.... it's Mcjackass. I was hoping to run into some of the old webtv bunch,.... with the exception of you of course!

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