susanblange Loc: USA

Isaiah 47:1. "Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans..." The Vatican is modern day Babylon. Isaiah 14:4-5. "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter of the rulers". In Revelation 7:9, the whore of Babylon sits on seven mountains. The city of Rome sits on seven hills. Lucifer is the modern day idol of Israel, the founder and leader of Babylon, and Satan's counterfeit messiah. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-14. "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds: I will be like the most High". The name Lucifer means "morning star" and that is who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16 "...I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star".

Tom Salinger

Sorry, your point? I get the feeling it is obvious to you but I need more direct speech.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

You're Just Another Religious Hate-Monger, Filled With Hate Speech.

This Religious Anti-Catholic idiom has been uses over and over, Ad nauseam.

susanblange maybe your one of lucifers sycophant minion's.

Do you even know what are spewing fourth.

From your disease deplorable dendrites . . .

Tom Salinger

Hmmm, okay.

susanblange Loc: USA

Adam the Serpent is Satan and Jesus is Lucifer. Together, they comprise "the devil". The Serpent was a part of Adam's anatomy and was an earthly creation. In the NT, Jesus is called the "second" and "last" Adam. He is the "one seed" of Adam in Genesis 3:15. The true Messiah will be the "one seed" of Eve and the sin of the world will be laid upon her shoulders. Isaiah 53:6. "...and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". The NT is the doctrine of Satan. Job 31:35. "...behold, my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book". Satan means "adversary". Babylon basically has the connotation of mystery and confusion. Jesus is the modern day idol of Israel. Isaiah 41:29. "Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion".

susanblange Loc: USA

Isaiah 57:3-5. "But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood, Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree..."

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Blah . . . Blah . . . Blah . . .Blah-Blah, . . . It's all compost that you write about . . .

Your just using Old Testament verses and rhetoric to make your fallacy point.

By using, obscure verses and conveniently cut and paste to form your whacked out religious logic.


The Old Testament fulfills the prophecies in the Old Testaments, in the New Testament and are fulfilled through Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament cannot contradict the New Testament and or the the Old Testament Bible and Church Tradition and Teaching the Magisterium.


Susan you fail to take into context, the before and after verses, to explain your Religious ignorance, lack of logic and reasoning, regarding Babylon and Lucifer.

Babylon refers to the city of Rome, the emperors politicians, the heathens pagan's practices and the incestuous society at large living there.

Lucifer is the highest Angel's serving God who, revolted against God. And was thrown down in the "Pit," and is allowed to serve God's plan of "Human Free Will."

Try reading John Gospels, It is one of the greatest written human religious philosophical accounting about Jesus Christ, Savior and God.

There is no theological contradiction, other than you own logic and thinking . . .


Seems to me that you resurface this same old beaten posting on the OPP Forum, and been shot down. Again and again.

Whats wrong with you?

Are you one of the religious deniers . . . do you belong to the "Flat Earth Society" also, . . . believe in UFO's Extraterrestrials and deny German extermination atrocities and the Jewish Concentration Camps during WWII . . .

Susan please get a life . . .